Hello Elwyn - I hope all is well with you and not too much rain!! I have been giving alot of thought about the families since my last off line email to you. I have just written a very long email to Pauline which may help you - especially the possible marriage I found of Hannah Robert with John William - what do you think?? You said that your Phoebe Roberts was with the Samuel family - I am sure my family is tied up with them as well but I haven't yet found the link. Do you have Fisher Hopkin/s ir Griffiths in your family? Were your family in the Adulam Row area and were they at Adulam Chapel after 1851. I reckon if I can get back with circumstantial evidence before 1790 when I think the chapel started then it should be a doddle because they will have been in the church records!!!!! Let me know what you think of the above best wishes Diana