Linda, did Elizabeth return to live in Llanelly with her husband? Perhaps William went to Liverpool first and Elizabeth went to join him for a short stay or even to find employment there.....perhaps he is not here in 1851 but perhaps she could be? Only 3 Benjamin Samuel's in 1851 but all children.....Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon myddelton" <gordon.myddelton@ntlworld.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly > Pauline I have'nt got a clue where they were in 1851.According to 1861 > census for Birkenhead William was 34 birth date about 1827 he was coal > dealer, His wifes name was Ellen, she was born about 1818 and was aged 43. > She was born in Llanyngendl Anglesey. Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly > > >> Linda when was William Samuel born? What are the details from the census >> that you have, do you think they were still in Llanelly in 1851 Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "gordon myddelton" <gordon.myddelton@ntlworld.com> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly >> >> >> > Benjamins occupation was Coppersmith and William was definitely older >> > by >> > about 8 or 9 years according to census for 1861/71/81/91. William seems > to >> > have settled here in Birkenhead and lived near Elizabeth and her >> > family. >> > Linda >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:59 AM >> > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly >> > >> > >> >> Hi Linda >> >> >> >> What was Benjamin's occupation on the marriage certificate? >> >> >> >> I have these possible Elizabeth Samuel's in 1851 >> >> >> >> Llanelly 1851 dist 2,1f >> >> sch 52 page 14 Mill Street >> >> Mary Samuel head wid 48 shoemakers widow born Llanelly >> >> Thomas son 28 Llanelly >> >> Susanna dau 24 Llanelly >> >> John son 18 Llanelly >> >> Elizabeth dau 16 Llanelly >> >> William son 4 Llanelly >> >> >> >> or in Berwick hamlet dist 3a >> >> 115 Swab >> >> Jane Samuel head 55 >> >> Ann dau 26 >> >> John son 19 >> >> Elizabeth dau 17 >> >> William son 13 >> >> >> >> Did the whole family move, do you know >> >> >> >> Pauline >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "gordon myddelton" <gordon.myddelton@ntlworld.com> >> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:45 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Pauline, I dont know when Benjamin was born, married or died as I >> >> > say >> >> > all >> >> > I have is Elizabeth's marriage certificate to John Burkey, and > Benjamin >> >> > Burkey's birth certificate. Also an older brother William born > Llanelly >> >> > about 1829-31.I know he was her brother because on the 1871 census > one >> > of >> >> > John and Elizabeth's son's was staying with him and was named as a >> >> > nephew.I >> >> > know I dont have a lot to go on but I'm sure you know how >> >> > frustrating >> >> > it >> >> > can >> >> > be when you can't find the information. My Grandfather Richard was >> >> > Elizabeth >> >> > and John's seventh and youngest son and died in 1954, all his > brothers >> >> > went >> >> > to live in Essex so I have no one to ask.Linda >> >> > From: "diana murray" >> >> > <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> >> >> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:26 AM >> >> > Subject: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Hello Linda - I forgot to say that there was no Benjamin or > Elizabeth >> >> > Samuel in the family I found yesterday. But I will keep my eyes > open >> > as >> >> > I >> >> > go through the Llanelly 1841 census for you. I found four other >> > Samuel >> >> > families but no sign of your ones so far. 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