I looked in my baptism index for Llanelly this is what is given. Llanelly parish church baptisms 1828 9th June - William Samuel son Benjamin and Winnifred 1818 9th June - Mary Samuel dau Benjamin and Winnifred there is also a Benjamin and Gwenllian as their son James was baptised on 17th Feb 1832 It only goes to 1832 so did not see Elizabeth Samuel.....strange thing is that there are 2 Benjamin Samuel's there, but no marriage in either Carms, Pembs, Cards or Glam 1813-1837 Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "gordon myddelton" <gordon.myddelton@ntlworld.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly > Benjamins occupation was Coppersmith and William was definitely older by > about 8 or 9 years according to census for 1861/71/81/91. William seems to > have settled here in Birkenhead and lived near Elizabeth and her family. > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:59 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly > > >> Hi Linda >> >> What was Benjamin's occupation on the marriage certificate? >> >> I have these possible Elizabeth Samuel's in 1851 >> >> Llanelly 1851 dist 2,1f >> sch 52 page 14 Mill Street >> Mary Samuel head wid 48 shoemakers widow born Llanelly >> Thomas son 28 Llanelly >> Susanna dau 24 Llanelly >> John son 18 Llanelly >> Elizabeth dau 16 Llanelly >> William son 4 Llanelly >> >> or in Berwick hamlet dist 3a >> 115 Swab >> Jane Samuel head 55 >> Ann dau 26 >> John son 19 >> Elizabeth dau 17 >> William son 13 >> >> Did the whole family move, do you know >> >> Pauline >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "gordon myddelton" <gordon.myddelton@ntlworld.com> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly >> >> >> > Hi Pauline, I dont know when Benjamin was born, married or died as I >> > say >> > all >> > I have is Elizabeth's marriage certificate to John Burkey, and Benjamin >> > Burkey's birth certificate. Also an older brother William born Llanelly >> > about 1829-31.I know he was her brother because on the 1871 census one > of >> > John and Elizabeth's son's was staying with him and was named as a >> > nephew.I >> > know I dont have a lot to go on but I'm sure you know how frustrating >> > it >> > can >> > be when you can't find the information. My Grandfather Richard was >> > Elizabeth >> > and John's seventh and youngest son and died in 1954, all his brothers >> > went >> > to live in Essex so I have no one to ask.Linda >> > From: "diana murray" >> > <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> >> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:26 AM >> > Subject: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly >> > >> > >> >> Hello Linda - I forgot to say that there was no Benjamin or Elizabeth >> > Samuel in the family I found yesterday. But I will keep my eyes open > as >> > I >> > go through the Llanelly 1841 census for you. I found four other > Samuel >> > families but no sign of your ones so far. Do you have them on the >> > 1851 >> > census? >> >> >> >> Diana >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hello Pauline and Linda - I have just been through the 1841 Hengoed and Westfa censuses and cannot find a Benjamin or Elizabeth Samuel. I did find a marriage of Benjamin Samuel and Sarah William 24/4/1836 and thought it might be yours Linda or mine. Hope this does not muddy the waters. Diana