Morning Pauline - thank you for that one sorry it did not turn out right. What did you think about the Tanyrodin one? I looked again at the 1841 census last night again trying to find Sarah Thomas with a William family. I looked in Westfa and could not find any but I also looked in Llangennech because that was where Sarah Thomas said she came from in the 1861 and 1871 censuses. I found one which I would be grateful for your opinion. Llangennech 5 page 13 William William with Sarah Thomas. If this is not right then I think there must be no connection between the two families unless the Sarah Thomas marrying a John William is correct and she put unmarried on the 1861 rather than widow. One other thing - I know that Thomas has been mistranscribed on the 1851 as Harry at Blaennant fach so I wondered if there were any more like that. I was just wondering if there could have been a John William with a Harry family which in fact should have been Thomas - if I am making sense! Have a good day Diana