William was born in Llanelly, on the 1861 census he has a daughter Ann born in Birkenhead in 1855 and a son William Henry also born Birkenhead in 1857. I have seen Benjamin and Winnifred which I think could be a link as the name Winnifred appears in the Burkey family that went to live in Essex. William Henry married a Birkenhead girl called Margaret Hulmston in about 1878. I cant find any trace of William or William Henry after 1881 census. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly > I looked in my baptism index for Llanelly this is what is given. > > Llanelly parish church baptisms > 1828 9th June - William Samuel son Benjamin and Winnifred > 1818 9th June - Mary Samuel dau Benjamin and Winnifred > > there is also a Benjamin and Gwenllian as their son James was baptised on > 17th Feb 1832 > > It only goes to 1832 so did not see Elizabeth Samuel.....strange thing is > that there are 2 Benjamin Samuel's there, but no marriage in either Carms, > Pembs, Cards or Glam 1813-1837 > > Pauline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "gordon myddelton" <gordon.myddelton@ntlworld.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:13 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly > > > > Benjamins occupation was Coppersmith and William was definitely older by > > about 8 or 9 years according to census for 1861/71/81/91. William seems to > > have settled here in Birkenhead and lived near Elizabeth and her family. > > Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly > > > > > >> Hi Linda > >> > >> What was Benjamin's occupation on the marriage certificate? > >> > >> I have these possible Elizabeth Samuel's in 1851 > >> > >> Llanelly 1851 dist 2,1f > >> sch 52 page 14 Mill Street > >> Mary Samuel head wid 48 shoemakers widow born Llanelly > >> Thomas son 28 Llanelly > >> Susanna dau 24 Llanelly > >> John son 18 Llanelly > >> Elizabeth dau 16 Llanelly > >> William son 4 Llanelly > >> > >> or in Berwick hamlet dist 3a > >> 115 Swab > >> Jane Samuel head 55 > >> Ann dau 26 > >> John son 19 > >> Elizabeth dau 17 > >> William son 13 > >> > >> Did the whole family move, do you know > >> > >> Pauline > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "gordon myddelton" <gordon.myddelton@ntlworld.com> > >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:45 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly > >> > >> > >> > Hi Pauline, I dont know when Benjamin was born, married or died as I > >> > say > >> > all > >> > I have is Elizabeth's marriage certificate to John Burkey, and Benjamin > >> > Burkey's birth certificate. Also an older brother William born Llanelly > >> > about 1829-31.I know he was her brother because on the 1871 census one > > of > >> > John and Elizabeth's son's was staying with him and was named as a > >> > nephew.I > >> > know I dont have a lot to go on but I'm sure you know how frustrating > >> > it > >> > can > >> > be when you can't find the information. My Grandfather Richard was > >> > Elizabeth > >> > and John's seventh and youngest son and died in 1954, all his brothers > >> > went > >> > to live in Essex so I have no one to ask.Linda > >> > From: "diana murray" > >> > <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> > >> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 6:26 AM > >> > Subject: [Cmn-L] Samuel family Llanelly > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hello Linda - I forgot to say that there was no Benjamin or Elizabeth > >> > Samuel in the family I found yesterday. But I will keep my eyes open > > as > >> > I > >> > go through the Llanelly 1841 census for you. I found four other > > Samuel > >> > families but no sign of your ones so far. Do you have them on the > >> > 1851 > >> > census? > >> >> > >> >> Diana > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > >> >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > >> > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research > >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > > questions & Quiries. > > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >