Hi Pauline -I am so sorry to give you all this work for me and just to add yet another email and many questions to add to all the others!! Would you agree that it looks like the siblings of John William/s 1803 ish give or take a bit could be Ann, Mary Margaret , William and possibly Hannah and that in all probability the IGI entry cannot be pure fantasy and that John Williams 1803 ish's father was perhaps William Williams. As I know that I am never going to be able to prove all of this without the Adulam records and/or someone coming up with an old book about it!! I wondered if you would look up a marriage for me (I hope you have the records going back pre 1812) between a William William and anyone with my family names about 1790 to 1806. My thought is that there were not that many people living in Llanelli then (before coal etc) . Going on all the circumstantial evidence so far the first centre for the William family along with the Fisher , Hopkin , Samuel! families. They all then seemed to move to Adulam area. Where were they before Blaennant (rhetorical question) ? I am happy with this - do you agree? Is Blaennant now an area of Llanelli where as once it was a farm? On the 1841 there is a Blaennant and a Blaennat Fach - do you know what the difference is? Do you know how I can contact the LDS people who put the information in about William William 1806 s/o William William? I could then write to them and ask how they found the information. I found a marriage between a Hannah Robert and John William dated 26th January 1822 - what do you think? I cannot find them on the 1861 census. Did you have any thoughts on the marriage between Sarah Thomas and John Williams on the 24th September 1818? On the IGI I also found a John William born 1790 Kidwelly (Daniel Fisher came from Kidwelly) with parents Mr. William and Betty (Elizabeth?) Harry. Is that one a figment of IGI's imagination??!! Sorry to have gone on so. with many thanks for your patience and help Diana

Diana, here is the information on Adulam so that you know when it opened etc.... Adulam Baptists Cause began: earlier than 1660; embodied 1733 Chapels: 1709 with burial ground, enlarged 1804; 1840 Location: Felinfoel, Llanelly parish Branch of: Ilston near Swansea originally, then Bethlehem, Swansea until 1733. Periods of growth: 1733, 50-60 members; 1794, 140; 1830, about 400; 1840, 270;. The decrease between 1830-40 was the result of numerous branches separating from this church. Records available: 1783-1819, PRO London, RG4/3821, (GS82811) 2. records 1709-1954, includes church register, 1767-1871; register of members, accounts and statements. 1863-1933, minute books, 1851-1954, of church meetings and title deeds and documents, 1709-22 NLW Manuscripts (12 volumes) . We know they have these records but as David Cooke CRO and myself have stated they are in such a jumble it is very difficult to work them out. Back to the IGI, when a relative has inputted the information he is just guessing.......they know they should be there around a certain time, but no records exist for them......so cannot prove or know anything. With an easier name than John Williams you can locate them, as with my Griffith Harvey, he was not baptised but I knew who the father was from the marriage cert (Griffith Harvey) and they were the only Harvey family in Llanelly and also hailed from St Ishmaels living there.....so could follow backwards. I looked for Wm Wm's marriages Llanelly only otherwise there are 100's of them ....... 1795 to Joyce Samuel 1803 to Anne Lewis 1803 to Mary Griffith 1805 to Catherine Phillip 1805 to Catherine William 1805 to Mary James Llanelly only....... With Blaennant and Blaennant fach......fach in welsh means small in english, so it was a smaller farm or holding than Blaennant.... Have you ever sent an email to Peter Whil he has a database of farm names places etc that he has extracted from CRO.....his email address is on tag lines below messages....... I will get back to you on your other questions..... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] William/s family > Hi Pauline -I am so sorry to give you all this work for me and just to > add yet another email and many questions to add to all the others!! > Would you agree that it looks like the siblings of John William/s 1803 ish > give or take a bit could be Ann, Mary Margaret , William and > possibly Hannah and that in all probability the IGI entry cannot be pure > fantasy and that John Williams 1803 ish's father was perhaps William > Williams. As I know that I am never going to be able to prove all of this > without the Adulam records and/or someone coming up with an old book about > it!! I wondered if you would look up a marriage for me (I hope you have > the records going back pre 1812) between a William William and anyone > with my family names about 1790 to 1806. My thought is that there were > not that many people living in Llanelli then (before coal etc) . Going on > all the circumstantial evidence so far the first centre for the William > family along with the Fisher , Hopkin , Samuel! > families. They all then seemed to move to Adulam area. Where were > they before Blaennant (rhetorical question) ? I am happy with this - do > you agree? > Is Blaennant now an area of Llanelli where as once it was a farm? On the > 1841 there is a Blaennant and a Blaennat Fach - do you know what the > difference is? > > Do you know how I can contact the LDS people who put the information in > about William William 1806 s/o William William? I could then write to > them and ask how they found the information. > > I found a marriage between a Hannah Robert and John William dated 26th > January 1822 - what do you think? I cannot find them on the 1861 census. > > Did you have any thoughts on the marriage between Sarah Thomas and John > Williams on the 24th September 1818? > > > On the IGI I also found a John William born 1790 Kidwelly (Daniel Fisher > came from Kidwelly) with parents Mr. William and Betty (Elizabeth?) > Harry. Is that one a figment of IGI's imagination??!! > > Sorry to have gone on so. > > with many thanks for your patience and help > Diana > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Diana, the population of Llanelly around 1800 was about 500 living in the town itself, but 3 to 4000 living in the parish.......I shall have to dig out my information.... One writer in a book stated that Llanelly was full of dirty miners and sailors at the turn of the century........Strange enough in all of my family history I do not have one miner.......farmers, coppermen and sailors but no miners..... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 8:32 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] William/s family > Hi Pauline -I am so sorry to give you all this work for me and just to > add yet another email and many questions to add to all the others!! > Would you agree that it looks like the siblings of John William/s 1803 ish > give or take a bit could be Ann, Mary Margaret , William and > possibly Hannah and that in all probability the IGI entry cannot be pure > fantasy and that John Williams 1803 ish's father was perhaps William > Williams. As I know that I am never going to be able to prove all of this > without the Adulam records and/or someone coming up with an old book about > it!! I wondered if you would look up a marriage for me (I hope you have > the records going back pre 1812) between a William William and anyone > with my family names about 1790 to 1806. My thought is that there were > not that many people living in Llanelli then (before coal etc) . Going on > all the circumstantial evidence so far the first centre for the William > family along with the Fisher , Hopkin , Samuel! > families. They all then seemed to move to Adulam area. Where were > they before Blaennant (rhetorical question) ? I am happy with this - do > you agree? > Is Blaennant now an area of Llanelli where as once it was a farm? On the > 1841 there is a Blaennant and a Blaennat Fach - do you know what the > difference is? > > Do you know how I can contact the LDS people who put the information in > about William William 1806 s/o William William? I could then write to > them and ask how they found the information. > > I found a marriage between a Hannah Robert and John William dated 26th > January 1822 - what do you think? I cannot find them on the 1861 census. > > Did you have any thoughts on the marriage between Sarah Thomas and John > Williams on the 24th September 1818? > > > On the IGI I also found a John William born 1790 Kidwelly (Daniel Fisher > came from Kidwelly) with parents Mr. William and Betty (Elizabeth?) > Harry. Is that one a figment of IGI's imagination??!! > > Sorry to have gone on so. > > with many thanks for your patience and help > Diana > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >