Hi Ken You do know pre 1837 that there are no fathers names or occupation on the marriage entries.........you would have to obtain that marriage from Swansea Record Office in Oystermouth, not the registry office as registration did not begin until June 1837...... Being as you state she said she was from Llangyfelach I would favour that one too.......Llanrhidian is in the Gower peninsular. Perhaps the baptism I found was not your John Robert/s, it was the only one I came across for that period......do you have him in 1861 census.....perhaps he gave a different age..... Whilst indexing St Peters Carmarthen I have come across entries where the father and mother are the same for a few children but still not married.....I always index in both fathers surname and mothers surname in case the child took either name.......it is surprising how many children were born out of wedlock......the Militia were in Carmarthen at the time I am indexing 1816/1817 quite a few of the Militiamen are fathering illigitmate children, wonder what happened to the mother and child when they had to return to where-ever with the militia.......the local surgeon is also fathering illig children too........ Constant Cellan.....unsure about that, according to my info Cellan is in Cardiganshire.......perhaps someone else knows who knows the area? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken roberts" <drdl16403@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] John ROBERTS > Hi Pauline > > Thank you very much, It has given me a lot to ponder on. It is most > unfortunate that both the John ROBERTS married a Catherine MORGAN, I > rather like the marriage in Llangefelach, I'll send for the marriage cert. > > I'll let you know how I get on > > John ROBERTS was a collier in Glamorgan, but as he migrated from > Carmarthenshire he could have quite easily have been an Ag Lab. I have > felt for some time that John did not move to Glamorgan alone, because in > the Swansea area there are a number of Roberts families (as yet > unconnected with mine, I have all his children and grandchildren accounted > for), yet these families have very similar Christian names with an age > group that could make them cousins, so I have been looking for a brother > for John, but if he is illegitimate that closes that line. > > > One other problem that has plagued me for some time is CONSTANT CELLAN, > this is shown on a birth cert of 1855 (where born), I am aware of the > CELLAN part, but where is Constant, Reg district : Lampeter, Sub district: > Pencarreg, in the county of Cardigan and Carmarthen. > > I have looked on many maps, It doesn't look as though it is a village, so > must be a dwelling (farm, institute, hospital ?) > > regards > > ken > > Stourbridge > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >

I mean Oystermouth Road in Swansea, not Oystermouth....sorry Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John ROBERTS > Hi Ken > > You do know pre 1837 that there are no fathers names or occupation on the > marriage entries.........you would have to obtain that marriage from > Swansea Record Office in Oystermouth, not the registry office as > registration did not begin until June 1837...... > > Being as you state she said she was from Llangyfelach I would favour that > one too.......Llanrhidian is in the Gower peninsular. > > Perhaps the baptism I found was not your John Robert/s, it was the only > one I came across for that period......do you have him in 1861 > census.....perhaps he gave a different age..... > > Whilst indexing St Peters Carmarthen I have come across entries where the > father and mother are the same for a few children but still not > married.....I always index in both fathers surname and mothers surname in > case the child took either name.......it is surprising how many children > were born out of wedlock......the Militia were in Carmarthen at the time I > am indexing 1816/1817 quite a few of the Militiamen are fathering > illigitmate children, wonder what happened to the mother and child when > they had to return to where-ever with the militia.......the local surgeon > is also fathering illig children too........ > > Constant Cellan.....unsure about that, according to my info Cellan is in > Cardiganshire.......perhaps someone else knows who knows the area? > > Pauline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ken roberts" <drdl16403@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:46 PM > Subject: [Cmn-L] John ROBERTS > > >> Hi Pauline >> >> Thank you very much, It has given me a lot to ponder on. It is most >> unfortunate that both the John ROBERTS married a Catherine MORGAN, I >> rather like the marriage in Llangefelach, I'll send for the marriage >> cert. >> >> I'll let you know how I get on >> >> John ROBERTS was a collier in Glamorgan, but as he migrated from >> Carmarthenshire he could have quite easily have been an Ag Lab. I have >> felt for some time that John did not move to Glamorgan alone, because in >> the Swansea area there are a number of Roberts families (as yet >> unconnected with mine, I have all his children and grandchildren >> accounted for), yet these families have very similar Christian names with >> an age group that could make them cousins, so I have been looking for a >> brother for John, but if he is illegitimate that closes that line. >> >> >> One other problem that has plagued me for some time is CONSTANT CELLAN, >> this is shown on a birth cert of 1855 (where born), I am aware of the >> CELLAN part, but where is Constant, Reg district : Lampeter, Sub >> district: Pencarreg, in the county of Cardigan and Carmarthen. >> >> I have looked on many maps, It doesn't look as though it is a village, so >> must be a dwelling (farm, institute, hospital ?) >> >> regards >> >> ken >> >> Stourbridge >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your >> PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed >> from this mailing list >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >