Pauline, Many thanks indeed to Carmarthenshire rootsweb for introducing Graham Howell from Ontario to me, who having done his research most consicentiously, and being interested in the tail female of the Howell family from his grandmother, turns out with 88% certainty to be a third cousin whom I have been trying to find out more about for a good many years. This family is a descendant of Gertrude Howell who became a Zanotti, descendant of William Morgan Howell (1839) or a brother. The line that he has presented to me seems with 50% certainty to conclude that the Ffynnon Felin (Llanwinio) link is common forebearance, and that the Howell line of which there are seven male descendants today of William Morgan Howell with the name, (and also male descedants of Zanotti named Howell too who may not be excluded) are an important line of the Ffynnon Felin descent. Three of them live near Aberaeron, ages 2,4 and father James Bonnell Howell 24. I have also suggested that David (Lord) Howell of Guildford, who is the self selected leader of such a family named Howell, and nobly unaware of the genealogy, is also descended quite closely to this illustrious Carmarthenshire family in particular. The Indian civil service link in that family is the closest evidence I can think of for the moment. Not for nothing was Lord Howell foreign secretary in Mrs Thatcher's radical government. I am very grateful to Graham for filling in my aural memories gleaned from my father (1902-1984) Richard Vivian Howell and from my aunt, his sister Mabel m Davies (1894-1993 age99yrs) with written evidence which I hope to publish in good format on my web pages in due course. Constructing a clear tree back to the Ffynnon Felin Howell tree in the Carmarthenshire antiquary Vol XXX11 1996 will be absorbing. Many thanks, Gareth Howell.