Hi Sue Firstly, try asking for a lookup (found on GENUKI, lLANDDEUSANT) on the following giving as much information as you can. It might also be useful to look for burials of THOMAS that identify the farm. SEE BELOW Llanddeusant. BT's for 1775-1815. A private database which includes all baptisms, marriages and burials for the period shown is available for lookups on the South/West Wales Lookup Exchange at http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html The farm is called 'Cil-gerddan' it can be found on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ at Grid Ref: 275442,226067 to see it click coordinate and paste in the grid reference. You can also get a modern map and an aerial photo. If the farm was owned or leased by the family for sometime you may be able to trace them through this. Incidentily the farm is still in use see http://archive.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/2004/09/08/12077.html Where under the pig competition you find this - Gilt or Boar born Jan/Feb 2004. 1st: 27, Judith Harvey, Cilgerddan, Llanddeusant, Llangadog, Carmarthenshire, SA19 9YN Hope this helps. Glen Jenkins --- PT & S Kinsella <kinceller@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > Can someone answer this please, Having found the > husband of Mary THOMAS, to be Thomas THOMAS, I > assumed they would be related and so started to look > for the baptism of Mary. I find There are a number > of possibilities but not one of them is a THOMAS. > possible fathers are > Morgan DAVID: Thomas LEWIS: Thomas RYTHERCH: > There are no mothers and I am at a loss as to where > to go from here. > Thank You Sue Kinsella > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alayne and Glen Jenkins" > <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1841 Query. > > > > Sue > > > > Another christening given possible marriage date > > MARY THOMAS - International Genealogical Index > > Gender: Female Christening: 24 OCT 1824 > Llanddeusant, > > Carmarthen, Wales > > > > Glen Jenkins > > > > --- PT & S Kinsella <kinceller@iprimus.com.au> > wrote: > > > >> Can anyone find this family in 1841 for me. I had > >> hoped to find the husband of the family in 1851, > but > >> now in view of the fact the the youngest child is > >> born in 1841, have my fingers crossed and hope > that > >> someone can help. They are on a farm which seems > to > >> have various spellings. Cilgerddan being the most > >> recent. I am in hopeful anticipation of a good > >> result. Sue Kinsella from Australia. > >> > >> 1851 Cilgarhan Llanddausant Carmarthenshire > >> Mary Thomas 1805 Head widow 46 farmer of > 82 > >> Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Mary Thomas 1826 Daug Un 25 > >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Margaret Thomas 1829 Daug Un 22 > Llanddausaint, > >> Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Jane Thomas 1831 Daug Un 20 > >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Elizabeth Thomas 1833 Daug Un 18 > Llanddausaint, > >> Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Thomas Thomas 1836 Son Un 15 > Llanddausaint, > >> Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Anne Thomas 1841 Daug Un 10 > >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Daniel Davies 1831 Serv Un agricltural > >> servant Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> > >> 1861 Cilgertham Llanddausant Carmarthenshire > >> Thomas Thomas 1836 Head Un 28 Llanddausaint, > >> Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Mary Thomas 1805 mother widow 66 farmer of > 86 > >> Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Mary Thomas 1826 sister Un 38 > >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Nancy Thomas 1841 sister Un 18 > >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Yahoo! Exclusive Xmas Game, help Santa with his > celebrity party - > http://santas-christmas-party.yahoo.net/ > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Thank you so much for the help. I appreciate the input. I have been without a phone line for several days and apologise for the delay. It is very encouraging to see that the farm is still in operation although it remains to be seen if these are the same family. Once again my thanks Sue Kinsella ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alayne and Glen Jenkins" <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1841 Query. > Hi Sue > > Firstly, try asking for a lookup (found on GENUKI, > lLANDDEUSANT) on the following giving as much > information as you can. It might also be useful to > look for burials of THOMAS that identify the farm. SEE > BELOW > Llanddeusant. BT's for 1775-1815. A private database > which includes all baptisms, marriages and burials for > the period shown is available for lookups on the > South/West Wales Lookup Exchange at > http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html > > The farm is called 'Cil-gerddan' it can be found on > http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ > at Grid Ref: 275442,226067 > to see it click coordinate and paste in the grid > reference. You can also get a modern map and an aerial > photo. > > If the farm was owned or leased by the family for > sometime you may be able to trace them through this. > > Incidentily the farm is still in use see > http://archive.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/2004/09/08/12077.html > > Where under the pig competition you find this - > Gilt or Boar born Jan/Feb 2004. 1st: 27, Judith > Harvey, Cilgerddan, Llanddeusant, Llangadog, > Carmarthenshire, SA19 9YN > > Hope this helps. > > > Glen Jenkins > > > > > --- PT & S Kinsella <kinceller@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > >> Can someone answer this please, Having found the >> husband of Mary THOMAS, to be Thomas THOMAS, I >> assumed they would be related and so started to look >> for the baptism of Mary. I find There are a number >> of possibilities but not one of them is a THOMAS. >> possible fathers are >> Morgan DAVID: Thomas LEWIS: Thomas RYTHERCH: >> There are no mothers and I am at a loss as to where >> to go from here. >> Thank You Sue Kinsella >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alayne and Glen Jenkins" >> <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1841 Query. >> >> >> > Sue >> > >> > Another christening given possible marriage date >> > MARY THOMAS - International Genealogical Index >> > Gender: Female Christening: 24 OCT 1824 >> Llanddeusant, >> > Carmarthen, Wales >> > >> > Glen Jenkins >> > >> > --- PT & S Kinsella <kinceller@iprimus.com.au> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Can anyone find this family in 1841 for me. I had >> >> hoped to find the husband of the family in 1851, >> but >> >> now in view of the fact the the youngest child is >> >> born in 1841, have my fingers crossed and hope >> that >> >> someone can help. They are on a farm which seems >> to >> >> have various spellings. Cilgerddan being the most >> >> recent. I am in hopeful anticipation of a good >> >> result. Sue Kinsella from Australia. >> >> >> >> 1851 Cilgarhan Llanddausant Carmarthenshire >> >> Mary Thomas 1805 Head widow 46 farmer of >> 82 >> >> Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> Mary Thomas 1826 Daug Un 25 >> >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> Margaret Thomas 1829 Daug Un 22 >> Llanddausaint, >> >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> Jane Thomas 1831 Daug Un 20 >> >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> Elizabeth Thomas 1833 Daug Un 18 >> Llanddausaint, >> >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> Thomas Thomas 1836 Son Un 15 >> Llanddausaint, >> >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> Anne Thomas 1841 Daug Un 10 >> >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> Daniel Davies 1831 Serv Un agricltural >> >> servant Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> >> >> 1861 Cilgertham Llanddausant Carmarthenshire >> >> Thomas Thomas 1836 Head Un 28 Llanddausaint, >> >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> Mary Thomas 1805 mother widow 66 farmer of >> 86 >> >> Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> Mary Thomas 1826 sister Un 38 >> >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> Nancy Thomas 1841 sister Un 18 >> >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ___________________________________________________________ >> >> > Yahoo! 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