Hello Christine I see you have changed your e-mail address. If you remember we spoke about your Howell family early on in the year - about May I think - and you said you were going to send for the death certificate of Francis. Did you manage to get it? I would be interested in the details. I didn't find him in 1841 at the time - but I think I just looked around the surrounding area - I'll try a little further afield. Cheers Pat In message <00c901c6060b$c0fd7200$6602a8c0@carmarthen>, Pauline James <paulinejames@onvol.net> writes >Christine sent the message before she was added to the accept list (due to >spammers) so I am forwarding for her > >Pauline > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Christine Challis" <cmchallis@hotmail.com> >To: <carmarthenshire-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:47 AM >Subject: {not a subscriber} HOWELL in 1841 > > >> I am new to the Carmarthen list, having been "at home" in >> Pembroke. I would like to find out if there is an index for the 1841 >> census. If there is, would someone with access to it please look for >> Francis Howell, about age 10. He is not at home in Llawhaden, Pembroke >> with his parents Richard HOWELL and Elizabeth, nee MORGAN. In fact, he >> does not appear to be anywhere in Pembroke. I thought perhaps he might be >> with relatives in Carmarthen as that is where his mother was from. He >> died and was buried in the Rhydwilym Baptist Cemetery, Landisillio in >> January of 1842. >> >> Thanks for taking the time. >> >> Christine >> >> Olathe, Kansas >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >> get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement >> > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research questions >& Quiries. >http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > -- Pat Powell
You are right, Pat, I did change my email address--was having trouble sending mail from my Sunflower address and had all these "burning" questions to ask so set up this address with hotmail. You have an amazing memory! I did obtain the death certificate for Francis. He died 12 Jan 1842 at Gelly, Llawhaden, age 11, son of a clothier, from a ruptured blood vessel. That information agrees with the MI from Rhydwilym Baptist Cemetery. If I could find Francis in the 1841 census, that would confirm that he and the Charles (18) listed at home with parents Richard and Elizabeth Howell in Llawhaden are indeed two different people. It is possible that Charles and Francis are one and the same. Perhaps a 0 was copied as an 8. Anyway, if you can find Francis in Carmarthen (if census is indexed) 1841, that would solve the mystery. As I said, Francis doesn't appear to be in Pembroke and Charles doesn't show up in 1851, nor did a search for a death certificate in those ten years turn up anything for him. Thanks for your interest. >From: Pat Powell <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> >Reply-To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Cmn-L] Fw: HOWELL in 1841 >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:46:32 +0000 > >Hello Christine > >I see you have changed your e-mail address. >If you remember we spoke about your Howell family early on in the year - >about May I think - and you said you were going to send for the death >certificate of Francis. > >Did you manage to get it? I would be interested in the details. > >I didn't find him in 1841 at the time - but I think I just looked around >the surrounding area - I'll try a little further afield. > >Cheers > >Pat > > > > >In message <00c901c6060b$c0fd7200$6602a8c0@carmarthen>, Pauline James ><paulinejames@onvol.net> writes > >Christine sent the message before she was added to the accept list (due >to > >spammers) so I am forwarding for her > > > >Pauline > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Christine Challis" <cmchallis@hotmail.com> > >To: <carmarthenshire-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:47 AM > >Subject: {not a subscriber} HOWELL in 1841 > > > > > >> I am new to the Carmarthen list, having been "at home" in > >> Pembroke. I would like to find out if there is an index for the 1841 > >> census. If there is, would someone with access to it please look for > >> Francis Howell, about age 10. He is not at home in Llawhaden, Pembroke > >> with his parents Richard HOWELL and Elizabeth, nee MORGAN. In fact, he > >> does not appear to be anywhere in Pembroke. I thought perhaps he might >be > >> with relatives in Carmarthen as that is where his mother was from. He > >> died and was buried in the Rhydwilym Baptist Cemetery, Landisillio in > >> January of 1842. > >> > >> Thanks for taking the time. > >> > >> Christine > >> > >> Olathe, Kansas > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how >to > >> get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > >> > > > > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research >questions > >& Quiries. > >http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > >-- >Pat Powell > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
Dear Pat, I am still trying to find Francis Howell, age 10, somewhere in Carmarthen in 1841 to prove or disprove my theory that he is one and the same as Charles Howell, age 18, in Llawhaden Pembroke at home of parents in 1841. No one besides you responded to my first inquiry. Can you tell me if the 1841 census has been indexed for all of Carmarthen? If so, is it available for purchase? Thanks for you help. Christine >From: Pat Powell <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> >Reply-To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Cmn-L] Fw: HOWELL in 1841 >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:46:32 +0000 > >Hello Christine > >I see you have changed your e-mail address. >If you remember we spoke about your Howell family early on in the year - >about May I think - and you said you were going to send for the death >certificate of Francis. > >Did you manage to get it? I would be interested in the details. > >I didn't find him in 1841 at the time - but I think I just looked around >the surrounding area - I'll try a little further afield. > >Cheers > >Pat > > > > >In message <00c901c6060b$c0fd7200$6602a8c0@carmarthen>, Pauline James ><paulinejames@onvol.net> writes > >Christine sent the message before she was added to the accept list (due >to > >spammers) so I am forwarding for her > > > >Pauline > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Christine Challis" <cmchallis@hotmail.com> > >To: <carmarthenshire-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:47 AM > >Subject: {not a subscriber} HOWELL in 1841 > > > > > >> I am new to the Carmarthen list, having been "at home" in > >> Pembroke. I would like to find out if there is an index for the 1841 > >> census. If there is, would someone with access to it please look for > >> Francis Howell, about age 10. He is not at home in Llawhaden, Pembroke > >> with his parents Richard HOWELL and Elizabeth, nee MORGAN. In fact, he > >> does not appear to be anywhere in Pembroke. I thought perhaps he might >be > >> with relatives in Carmarthen as that is where his mother was from. He > >> died and was buried in the Rhydwilym Baptist Cemetery, Landisillio in > >> January of 1842. > >> > >> Thanks for taking the time. > >> > >> Christine > >> > >> Olathe, Kansas > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how >to > >> get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > >> > > > > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research >questions > >& Quiries. > >http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > >-- >Pat Powell > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/