Sister took a trip to Wales in 03 and returned with pictures of the Llanfair-ar-bryn area, and am attempting to tie in sites with known family background. In 1844 the above was listed as a parish in the union of of Llandovery, higher division of the hundred of Perverth, county of Carmarthen, one half mile from Llandovery on the turnpike road to Bulith. Comprising the Townships of Rhandir Abbot etc. where were located the extensive lead mines of the Earl of Cawdor. The church dedicated to St, Mary is situated in Llandingat. Questions posed are: If kin was Calvanistic Methodist and wed in church in Llanfair-ar-bryn was this St. Marys Church? How does Cilycwm tie into this area?If a Calvanistic Methodist died in Rhandir Abbot where might they be buried? Where did folk living in Rhandir Abbot, church, school, market,work, socialize etc? Why would kin all state that they came from Rhandirmwyn when we have confirmed Rhandir Abbot . How does Llandingat tie in? How close is Cardiganshire to this area? Thanks, Bill of Perrysburg Township, Wood County..one mile from Rossford , one mile from City of Perrysburg and 2 miles from City of Toledo, Ohio.

Look at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/llandingad this will answer a lot of your questions. Also go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk and search for Rhandirmwyn there is/was a Calvinistic Methodist chapel nearby and also a lot of old lead workings; the chapel is called Salem Chapel in an area referred to as Maes-cae-rhyg. The lead mines appear to be in an area called Nant y Mwyn. Didn't notice a Rhandir Abbot [it might be referred to as Rhandir (y) Esgob if it is in Welsh). How do you know Rhandir Abbot is correct; what is the confirmation is it a house name? I would think Rhadirmwyn is more likely the area. Llanfair in Welsh means St Mary's church so that presumably is the St Mary's you are talking about. Don't forget that place names can change over a very short distance in Wales. Rhandirmwyn although in Carms is very near Cards and Brecs. The name Rhandirmwyn contains the words both for land [tir] and ore/mineral [mwyn] so guess it's been an ore extraction area for a long time! Rhodri -----Original Message----- From: Taffywilliam@aol.com [mailto:Taffywilliam@aol.com] Sent: 10 December 2005 23:37 To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Cmn-L] Historic-Geographic Help Please Sister took a trip to Wales in 03 and returned with pictures of the Llanfair-ar-bryn area, and am attempting to tie in sites with known family background. In 1844 the above was listed as a parish in the union of of Llandovery, higher division of the hundred of Perverth, county of Carmarthen, one half mile from Llandovery on the turnpike road to Bulith. Comprising the Townships of Rhandir Abbot etc. where were located the extensive lead mines of the Earl of Cawdor. The church dedicated to St, Mary is situated in Llandingat. Questions posed are: If kin was Calvanistic Methodist and wed in church in Llanfair-ar-bryn was this St. Marys Church? How does Cilycwm tie into this area?If a Calvanistic Methodist died in Rhandir Abbot where might they be buried? Where did folk living in Rhandir Abbot, church, school, market,work, socialize etc? Why would kin all state that they came from Rhandirmwyn when we have confirmed Rhandir Abbot . How does Llandingat tie in? How close is Cardiganshire to this area? Thanks, Bill of Perrysburg Township, Wood County..one mile from Rossford , one mile from City of Perrysburg and 2 miles from City of Toledo, Ohio. ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if this message has not been received by the intended recipient; please delete it from your system and inform: mailmaster@rhod.net thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Rhandir is a compound noun and translates to Region; it contains Rhan [part] Tir [land/earth]. Rhodri -----Original Message----- From: carmsman [mailto:carmsman@rhod.net] Sent: 11 December 2005 09:04 To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] Historic-Geographic Help Please Look at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/llandingad this will answer a lot of your questions. Also go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk and search for Rhandirmwyn there is/was a Calvinistic Methodist chapel nearby and also a lot of old lead workings; the chapel is called Salem Chapel in an area referred to as Maes-cae-rhyg. The lead mines appear to be in an area called Nant y Mwyn. Didn't notice a Rhandir Abbot [it might be referred to as Rhandir (y) Esgob if it is in Welsh). How do you know Rhandir Abbot is correct; what is the confirmation is it a house name? I would think Rhadirmwyn is more likely the area. Llanfair in Welsh means St Mary's church so that presumably is the St Mary's you are talking about. Don't forget that place names can change over a very short distance in Wales. Rhandirmwyn although in Carms is very near Cards and Brecs. The name Rhandirmwyn contains the words both for land [tir] and ore/mineral [mwyn] so guess it's been an ore extraction area for a long time! Rhodri -----Original Message----- From: Taffywilliam@aol.com [mailto:Taffywilliam@aol.com] Sent: 10 December 2005 23:37 To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Cmn-L] Historic-Geographic Help Please Sister took a trip to Wales in 03 and returned with pictures of the Llanfair-ar-bryn area, and am attempting to tie in sites with known family background. In 1844 the above was listed as a parish in the union of of Llandovery, higher division of the hundred of Perverth, county of Carmarthen, one half mile from Llandovery on the turnpike road to Bulith. Comprising the Townships of Rhandir Abbot etc. where were located the extensive lead mines of the Earl of Cawdor. The church dedicated to St, Mary is situated in Llandingat. Questions posed are: If kin was Calvanistic Methodist and wed in church in Llanfair-ar-bryn was this St. Marys Church? How does Cilycwm tie into this area?If a Calvanistic Methodist died in Rhandir Abbot where might they be buried? Where did folk living in Rhandir Abbot, church, school, market,work, socialize etc? Why would kin all state that they came from Rhandirmwyn when we have confirmed Rhandir Abbot . How does Llandingat tie in? How close is Cardiganshire to this area? Thanks, Bill of Perrysburg Township, Wood County..one mile from Rossford , one mile from City of Perrysburg and 2 miles from City of Toledo, Ohio. ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if this message has not been received by the intended recipient; please delete it from your system and inform: mailmaster@rhod.net thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if this message has not been received by the intended recipient; please delete it from your system and inform: mailmaster@rhod.net thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>