Helen, Thanks very much and thank you for the brief Welsh lesson. I have no knowledge of Welsh and therefore I am reliant on Internet tranlators which only work on direct translations. Regards Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Lane" <helen_lane@btconnect.com> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Capel Iwan gravestone inscriptions > CYFLWYNWYD YR IET HON GAN ...... > THIS GATE WAS PRESENTED BY................... > > CYFLWYNO- TO PRESENT/ INTRODUCE > GIET(GATE) BECOMES 'YR IET 'AFTER THE DEFINITE ARTICLE > HON- THIS > a number of different words for gate - this being one of them > > the verse-- > 'BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO DIE (in the knowledge ) OF THE LORD ' > > You have taken the word GWYN to be white - which is correct -but not > here - > the line follows the pattern of the beatitudes - all verses starting with > GWYN EU BYD.......BLESSED ARE...... > > > Hope this helps, > HELEN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Evans" <chris@cjse.co.uk> > To: <carmarthenshire-fhs@rootsweb.com>; <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 1:01 PM > Subject: [CMN-L] Capel Iwan gravestone inscriptions > > >> Dear CMN FHS, >> >> Could someone try to translate an inscription on a stone laid into >> the wall by the gate to Capel Iwan graveyard just outside Newcastle >> Emlyn. >> We suspect that, being a blacksmith, our ancestor Jonah Evans may have >> donated the gates. The inscription reads: "CYFLW YN WYD YLET HON CAN Mr >> JONAH EVANS PONTSELY 1910". I have a photo of the inscription which I can >> send off list to clarify the lettering as it is not 100% clear and I may >> not have the spaces in the correct place. >> >> In addition, on Jonah's gravestone at Capel Iwan, the phrase "Gwyn >> eu >> byd y meirw y rhai sydd yn marw yn yr Arglwydd" is engraved which roughly >> translated (by us!) means "White world of the dead are those who die in >> the Lord" which doesn't make a lot of sense. Can someone provide a more >> accurate translation. I also have a photo of the gravestone which I can >> send to clarify things, however, this is much clearer than the stone >> above. >> >> Many thanks in anticipation. >> >> Chris Evans >> Surrey >> http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info >> http://www.free-genealogy-online.info >> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info >> Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... >> >> >> carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >