Bob, Firstly, I found that Cirhedyn is north of Trelech, which is near Carmarthen. Here is a copy of 1861, it says John Davies is from Abergwillly. Based on what you say, Margaret Davies born 1834 in Trelech to John Davies and Sarah Thomas, I searched 1841 census, and there was only one John and Sarah Davies, living at Abernant is between Trelech and Carmarthen. I give that below as well, and also a possible Margaret Davies in 1851. I would suggest the next best thing is to get a birth certificat for Margaret Davies which you have details of, from Carmarthenshire Archives, which may help you trace further back, also a marriage certificate for John and Margaret which you know the date of from Carmarthen Record Office. Regards Helen 1841 Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born Original census image ____________________________________ DAVIES, John Head Married M 33 1828 Furnace Maker In A Copper Works Abergwilly Carmarthenshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('49f5e5a0c2a429d1c0711e55da8fba0f9a82456185e4a40c1a3edb73eff85b9dfa0e9ea130a6a338','3a9dd8907f3e5acf5efc7d85b70a8a e62ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61fbf2cba41a078','1861%20Census%20<br>DAV IES,%20John<br>LLANELLY,%20Carmarthenshire<br>RG09%20piece%204113%20folio%20 7%20page%208%20',%20'N',%20'H','41130000015','9','0',0)) DAVIES, Margaret Wife Married F 27 1834 Cilrhedyn Carmarthenshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('49f5e5a0c2a429d1c0711e55da8fba0f9a82456185e4a40c1a3edb73eff85b9dfa0e9ea130a6a338','3a9dd8907f3e5acf5efc7d85b70a8a e62ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61fbf2cba41a078','1861%20Census%20<br>DAV IES,%20Margaret<br>LLANELLY,%20Carmarthenshire<br>RG09%20piece%204113%20foli o%207%20page%208%20',%20'N',%20'H','41130000015','10','0',0)) ____________________________________ RG number: RG09 Piece: 4113 Folio: 7 Page: 8 Registration District: Llanelly Sub District: 2 Llanelly EnumerationDistrict: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Llanelly Municipal Borough: Address: New Road, Llanelly County: Carmarthenshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born Original census image ____________________________________ JONES, James Head Married M 65 1786 Farmer Trelech Carmarthenshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('9dc39deb2912e485e1cc098a9b86e8b6884685e5b5d39ff1e685bf5a50ecd9a6','8e0fe8a6de22efc696de603eaed6256feea0b491db0361 0a58ec0160d6411bc75e5f8418f19b5123','1851%20Census%20<br>JONES,%20James<br>C ARMARTHEN,%20Carmarthenshire<br>HO107%20%20piece%202474%20folio%20281%20page %204%20',%20'N',%20'H','40900380','6','0',0)) JONES, Martha Wife Married F 53 1798 Llandrinio Carmarthenshire _VIEW_ 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Borough: Address: Penrhiw, Treleach County: Carmarthenshire Cirhedyn is north of Trelech, which is near Carmarthen 1841 ____________________________________ DAVIES, Thomas M 40 1801 Carmarthenshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('48e7bdd2f2d55cc4b7c906937ae60e5b','11eef14c0450db8c96de603eaed6256feea0b491db03610a58ec0160d6411bc75e5f8418f19b51 23','1841%20Census%20<br>DAVIES,%20Thomas<br>CARMARTHEN,%20Carmarthenshire<b r>HO107%20piece%201383%20folio%206/17%20page%207%20',%20'N',%20'H','15925977 ','21','0',0)) DAVIES, Sarah F 35 1806 Carmarthenshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('ddfb635538887143cc340be84524131e','fac902d3556c099296de603eaed6256feea0b491db03610a58ec0160d6411bc75e5f8418f19b51 23','1841%20Census%20<br>DAVIES,%20Sarah<br>CARMARTHEN,%20Carmarthenshire<br >HO107%20piece%201383%20folio%206/17%20page%207%20',%20'N',%20'H','15925978' ,'22','0',0)) DAVIES, David M 9 1832 Carmarthenshire _VIEW_ 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<br>HO107%20piece%201383%20folio%206/17%20page%207%20',%20'N',%20'H','159259 81','25','0',0)) DAVIES, William M 4 1837 Carmarthenshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('7d464351be99244d47528f029ae0a313','55ac1f493f47433196de603eaed6256feea0b491db03610a58ec0160d6411bc75e5f8418f19b51 23','1841%20Census%20<br>DAVIES,%20William<br>CARMARTHEN,%20Carmarthenshire< br>HO107%20piece%201383%20folio%206/18%20page%208%20',%20'N',%20'H','1592598 2','1','0',0)) GRIFFITHS, Margaret F 20 1821 _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('7d464351be99244d47528f029ae0a313','a4d68a1f81b0e8a096de603eaed6256feea0b491db03610a58ec0160d6411bc75e5f8418f19b51 23','1841%20Census%20<br>GRIFFITHS,%20Margaret<br>CARMARTHEN,%20Carmarthensh ire<br>HO107%20piece%201383%20folio%206/18%20page%208%20',%20'N',%20'H','159 25983','2','0',0)) REES, Jane F 15 1826 Carmarthenshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('ac78d0ad8816d1079675bb19c36aac15','2a591a30f1c7d33396de603eaed6256feea0b491db03610a58ec0160d6411bc75e5f8418f19b51 23','1841%20Census%20<br>REES,%20Jane<br>CARMARTHEN,%20Carmarthenshire<br>HO 107%2 0piece%201383%20folio%206/18%20page%208%20',%20'N',%20'H','15925984','3','0',0)) ____________________________________ RG number: HO107 Piece: 1383 Book/Folio: 6/17 Page: 7 Registration District: Carmarthen Sub District: Conwil EnumerationDistrict: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Abernant Municipal Borough: Address: Pwlldyfarch, Abernant County: Carmarthenshire In a message dated 19/04/2010 06:48:41 GMT Daylight Time, robertgascoigne@cox.net writes: Hello List I am seeking information on a Benjamin Davies born 1864 to a John Davies and Margaret . John worked at a Copper works , I have found a John and Margaret who fit this description on the 1861 census John is 33 and Margaret is 27. John's place of birth is Llanelly, and Margaret's is Cilrhedyn. I found two John Davies to Margaret marriages in 1860 in Llanelly. I checked the Hugh Wallis site and Cilrhdyn has no Margaret Lewis in the age group but four Margaret Davies of the wrong ages . On the 1881 census I found a Margaret Davies of the right age born 1834 born Trelech a Widow with a son Benjamin born 1864 which is the age I am looking for. Benjamin's son Richard Selway Davies married my aunt Lucy Ann (Gascoigne) Metcalfe from Pembroke. I know it is a long shot Bob http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message