Hi Sharon, Thanks for replying. On the 1841 Census at Wern, Llanelly, I have as follows: Walter Williams, Collier, 25 Anne Williams, wife, 25 William Williams, 2 Jane Williams, 3 All born in County On 1851, Upper Wern, Borough of Llanelly Walter Williams, head, married, 35, shoemaker, Llanelly, Camarthen Ann Williams, wife, married, 35, Llanelly, Carmarthen Jane Williams, dau, 13, at home " Thomas Williams, 11, at home " William Williams, 9, at home " David Williams, 6, at home " Walter Williams, 3, at home " Mary Williams, 3 months " Mary Williams, my ancestor, thought 3 months easy certificate - they can't find one with parents Walter and Ann?????????? On 1861, Walter is widower and 1871 it shows him with his second with Jane and 2 children plus 2 stepchildren, who although confirm to me I have the right family, because one was a witness on Mary's marriage, still can't understand where they fit into the family??? I think William on 1841 might have died and also Walter aged 3 on 1851 died because there is another Walter on his second marriage. Thanks Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:53:32 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: What dates of birth do you have for the first two children? regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message