Yes I know, Walter remarried Jane Thomas, as the Registry Office stated nee Thomas, I'm wondering whether they are sisters or just coincidence? They say (Carmarthen Office) they found a birth for a David Williams, parents Walter and Ann nee Thomas, but none for the other children, but that this David's address didn't match what was on the census, but I think it's my only choice. I'm just wondering about the marriage - wonder if Ann came from that area, the second wife Jane came from Llanelly? and on all census for Ann, it states born in county, meaning Carmarthenshire,. Jane outlived Walter and appears on the 1891 with her daughter Margaret 'living on her own means' which is surprising to me being the widow of a miner. Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 19:31:18 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Helen the 1871 census is Walter 1816, Jeon 1826, Margaret 1881 Walter 1866 living at Forge Row In the 1881 census it states Walter 1816, Ann 1826, Margaret 1871 Walter 1866 22 Forge Cottages. although it is spelt Jeon on the web site It is a spelling mistake and should say Ann not Jane. In a message dated 18/05/2010 18:21:55 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Nutty Walt! Don't understand that one, Mary Ann??? Wonder where he got the Mary from, Census always shows Mary then 1871 Jane, his second wife, who I know is a Thomas. Does he have anything else? In a message dated 18/05/2010 18:19:02 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: He has Walter known as Watt Williams wife Mary Ann Nee Thomas In a message dated 18/05/2010 18:17:31 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: nope In a message dated 18/05/2010 18:13:05 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: I have found someone researching the same family via David Williams on Ancestry this isn't you is it? In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:46:53 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: I use findmypast which wasn't so explicit. Great you found that! It certainly explains why I couldn't ever find them. I cannot find any baptisms or marriage at all or death, it's as if the family didn't exisit! My ancestor was the Mary Williams, shown on 1851 aged 3 months - and I thought that one would be easy! But the records office said they couldn't find a baptism for a Mary Williams 1848-1852 for parents, Walter and Ann, and I tried Carmarthen twice and Llanelli! The only one that could be a near match is David Williams that came through this afternoon by email from Carmarthen Record office, my dear friend Rebecca who found one born to a Walter and Ann nee Thomas in Llanelly but the address didn't match the address on any census. If Walter married an Ann Thomas, it might explain why he then married a Jane Thomas after 1861, could've been a sister? But they can't find a marriage for that one! I'd be over the moon if you found anything else. Thanks for your help, appreciated, you don't know how much! Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:40:14 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Helen On the 1841 census with Ancestry it states Llanedy Parish, Hundred Carnwallan, district Llanelly. Have you been able to trace the children further than 1871? In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:20:01 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Sharon, I just looked at my copy of the 1841 - top right, I suppose they wouldn't put Llanelly as the parish? It looked like Llanelly, but as you say could easily be Llanedy? Geography was never my strongest subject. Was it common then afterwards, to put on census Llanelly instead of Llanedy? Do you know if this was a small parish? Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:03:33 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Did you notice that Walter was born Llanedy on the 1841 census? this parish is situated on the river Loughor near the county border next to Glamorgan near to the towns of Hendy and Pontardulias. I just did a check on Glamorgan for marriages and found Walter Williams married Ann Thomas 24 August 1835 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorgan. You may find that this is where the older children were registered I will look up the children for you Regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 16:42:19 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Sharon, Sorry to bother you again, but do you know if there anyone who does lookups for the area of Llanelly and surrounding areas for marriages? Possible Walter Williams married an Ann Thomas - it's the nearest I've got for years to a name! Date of marriage, well, perhaps 1836-1838 maybe before I just don't know. Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope i have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. 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