Did you notice that Walter was born Llanedy on the 1841 census? this parish is situated on the river Loughor near the county border next to Glamorgan near to the towns of Hendy and Pontardulias. I just did a check on Glamorgan for marriages and found Walter Williams married Ann Thomas 24 August 1835 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorgan. You may find that this is where the older children were registered I will look up the children for you Regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 16:42:19 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Sharon, Sorry to bother you again, but do you know if there anyone who does lookups for the area of Llanelly and surrounding areas for marriages? Possible Walter Williams married an Ann Thomas - it's the nearest I've got for years to a name! Date of marriage, well, perhaps 1836-1838 maybe before I just don't know. Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope i have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. 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