Hi Pauline Thanks for your help. I do not know when Mary arrived in Llanstephan - all I know about her I have taken from the 1881, 1891 and 1901 census which all state she was born in Darlaston Staffordshire in 1847. It has taken me ages to find her on the 1871 census in Llanstephan due to transcription error re. Williams / William on ancestry as I did not know her first name! I found her in Llanstephan on 1871 census after reading through cesus and knowing that my great grandmother Harriet had been adamant that she had been born in Llanstephan - she has put this fact on 1901 census. Also Harriet's sister Mary Ann appears on 1871 census and Mary(mother) on 1871 census was born in Darlaston so I was pretty sure I had the right family. I wondered if Mary had gone to Llanstephan in service and got married there, maybe she is on the wedding registers? I do not know her maiden name, all I know is that she came to Burnley with her children to find work - some say she left some children in Wales - ? John Daniel (no one knew of his existence until entry on 1871 census for Llanstephan). I do not know if Mr Williams came with her to Burnley, all I have found is that on 1881 census she had a son William H Williams born abt. 1874 who we think may have been called William Herbert as he was known as Bertie Williams and my great grandmother Harriet had a son Herbert whom she named after her brother. The census states William H was born in Burnley - but this may not be correct as on one of the later census returns, older members of the family are recorded as being born in Burnley - but when they have left home and completed the census in their own right they have put Llanstephan and/or Monmouth down. I think Mary lived in Llanstephan, had 3 of her children there and then moved to Monmouthshire and later Burnley. She married for a second time in Burnley in 1878 and her daughter Amea was born in that year - she is recorded as being a Williams and also a Clark - the surname of her second husband - so who her father was Mr Williams or Thomas Henry Clark(husband 2) I am not sure. She then had another son Thomas b.1880 who WAS born in Burnley and was from the 2nd marriage. Thanks for your help so far any help is appreciated Anne