Hi Peter I too have looked in 1881 for either Roger Jones and cannot see them.......How do you know that Roger Jones senior was born prior to 1852.....do you have him in any census at all, maybe the 1871? Where does it give his place of birth in the census returns that you have..... I have looked for a baptism in Llandebie parish church, but not one for a Roger Jones... Let me know Pauline -----Original Message----- From: carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Jones Sent: 22 January 2010 16:24 To: CARMARTHENSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [CMN-L] Roger Jones Hi I wonder if someone can help me with my brick wall. I have taken my maternal grandfather back to 1690 but I just can't seem to make much headway with my paternal grandfather. His name is Roger JONES and when he married my Grandmother, Elizabeth LEWIS of Brynamman on 29 May 1892 in Llandebie, he was a Collier and allegedly aged 20 (ie born c1872). I say allegedly because whilst this ties in fairly well with the 1901 (aged 27) and very well with the 1911 (aged 39 born in the Rhondda, Glamorgan) I have not been able to find a suitable Roger born in Wales c1872? Nor have I been able to locate him on either the 1881 or the 1891. Strangely, I can't find any trace of his father either. He was also called Roger JONES and would have been born sometime before 1852. I have a note of my Grandfather's siblings from a deceased family member's memory but I know nothing more about them other than the fact that Sarah Jane JONES married a James POWELL. The other siblings are Rees and Morgan JONES. Roger JONES (c1872) was wounded in WW1 and he was left with a shaking arm and head as a result. He lived with his wife Elizabeth at 32 Harold St Tirydial, Ammanford until he died around about 1934. I can remember going to that house in the 1940's and being given some of the home made toffee that my grandmother always seemed to have available for us children. Grandmother Elizabeth was well known up and down the Valley for the home made ointments she used to sell. Her most famous one being the burn ointment she sold to the Tinplate and Iron Workers. Hence she was known as Mrs Jones Yr Eli, or Mrs Jones the Ointment. If anyone else knows about or is researching this family I would very much appreciate finding out something more about these grandparents. Peter Jones - now living in Hornchurch Essex http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message