Dear CMN FHS, Could someone try to translate an inscription on a stone laid into the wall by the gate to Capel Iwan graveyard just outside Newcastle Emlyn. We suspect that, being a blacksmith, our ancestor Jonah Evans may have donated the gates. The inscription reads: "CYFLW YN WYD YLET HON CAN Mr JONAH EVANS PONTSELY 1910". I have a photo of the inscription which I can send off list to clarify the lettering as it is not 100% clear and I may not have the spaces in the correct place. In addition, on Jonah's gravestone at Capel Iwan, the phrase "Gwyn eu byd y meirw y rhai sydd yn marw yn yr Arglwydd" is engraved which roughly translated (by us!) means "White world of the dead are those who die in the Lord" which doesn't make a lot of sense. Can someone provide a more accurate translation. I also have a photo of the gravestone which I can send to clarify things, however, this is much clearer than the stone above. Many thanks in anticipation. Chris Evans Surrey

Pauline I have a G,G, Grandfather who lived in Llanllawddog on a farm named Llettynest.His name was David Davies. I think their was a large mansion next to him. I don't know the name of it. Can you help me with this as I no longer have Ancestry .com. I would like to know the history of this area and were I might find an old map of the area. Ken. sawdust48@zoominternet.net

Robin, I cannot see a birth for Esther/Hester Bevan in Laugharne.....I have Evan I think... 9th August 1747 Evan Griffith son of George and Margaret Anyone else you want me to look for.......we have Laugharne back to the beginning. Thanks Pauline -----Original Message----- From: carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pauline Sent: 03 March 2010 12:30 To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages Hi Robin Luck with Evan and Hester Marriage Laugharne parish church 10th December 1768 Evan Griffith and Hester Bevan Here are the baptisms of their children, in alphabetical order not year Children baptised in Laugharne parish church to Evan and Hester Griffith 7-7-1784 Ann 21-3-1773 Elizabeth 31-12-1775 - Evan 1-5-1774 - George 28-12-1782 - Hester 7-10-1791 Margaret mother named as Esther 12-2-1769 Mary 9-4-1786 Peter 5-10-1778 Sarah 11-12-1787 Sarah Here are the children to Peter and Martha Looks like he had two illigitmate children..... Laugharne parish church 9-9-1804 born 4th Sept Evan Griffith reputed son of Peter Griffith and Martha Mathias 28-4-1806 born 27 April Jane reputed dau of Peter Griffith to Susannah John 25-3-1810 born 14th March Evan son to Peter and Martha Griffith 5-7-1807 born 25th June John son to Peter and Martha Griffith 24-3-1816 Martha dau Peter and Martha Griffith, Gosport labourer 18-4-1819 Peter son of Peter and Martha Griffith, Gosport labourer 19-6-1821 Sarah dau of Peter and Martha Griffith, Gosport labourer 15-1-1813 Anne dau of Peter and Martha Griffiths, Gosport labourer Did you have any of the above......will keep on looking for a marriage of Peter and Martha we now know here surname to be Mathias from the child born in 1804..... Hope this helps Pauline -----Original Message----- From: carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robin Wright Sent: 03 March 2010 07:07 To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages Pauline, Thank you for your help and the information on Peter Griffiths Baptism 9th April 1786. I would appreciate if you could check Baptism details for other children for Evan & Hester. Thanks also for looking for the Marriages, I shall endeavour to check elsewhere. Robin Wright Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline" <ukgenealogy@onvol.net> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages > Hi Robin > > I have a baptism for Peter > > Laugharne parish church > 1786 9th April > Peter Griffith son of Evan and Hester > > Do you have this? If not I will look for siblings for you > > Pauline http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pauline, Thank you for your help and the information on Peter Griffiths Baptism 9th April 1786. I would appreciate if you could check Baptism details for other children for Evan & Hester. Thanks also for looking for the Marriages, I shall endeavour to check elsewhere. Robin Wright Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline" <ukgenealogy@onvol.net> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages > Hi Robin > > I have a baptism for Peter > > Laugharne parish church > 1786 9th April > Peter Griffith son of Evan and Hester > > Do you have this? If not I will look for siblings for you > > Pauline

Me again Robin The place where Martha Griffith was born was Llangan Carmarthenshire.....that is from my transcription of 1851 census.... I can check the original if you wish she was living in St Clears in 1851.. Pauline still cannot find their marriage!! If outside of Carmarthenshire pre 1813 I do not have those. -----Original Message----- From: carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robin Wright Sent: 02 March 2010 11:34 To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages Hello Pauline I am looking for 2 Marriages possibly in Laugharne records:- 1. Marriage between 1800 - 1809 for Peter GRIFFITHS b. Laugharne c. 1785 to Martha ???, b. c. 1783 at Manlloid, Carmarthenshire(don't know her surname & my transcription of her place of birth is from the 1851 Census). 2. Marriage between 1831 -1837 for Evan GRIFFITHS b. Laugharne c. 1809 to Catherine ???, b. c. 1812 (don't know her surname) Any help would be appreciated. Robin Wright Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline" <ukgenealogy@onvol.net> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robin Luck with Evan and Hester Marriage Laugharne parish church 10th December 1768 Evan Griffith and Hester Bevan Here are the baptisms of their children, in alphabetical order not year Children baptised in Laugharne parish church to Evan and Hester Griffith 7-7-1784 Ann 21-3-1773 Elizabeth 31-12-1775 - Evan 1-5-1774 - George 28-12-1782 - Hester 7-10-1791 Margaret mother named as Esther 12-2-1769 Mary 9-4-1786 Peter 5-10-1778 Sarah 11-12-1787 Sarah Here are the children to Peter and Martha Looks like he had two illigitmate children..... Laugharne parish church 9-9-1804 born 4th Sept Evan Griffith reputed son of Peter Griffith and Martha Mathias 28-4-1806 born 27 April Jane reputed dau of Peter Griffith to Susannah John 25-3-1810 born 14th March Evan son to Peter and Martha Griffith 5-7-1807 born 25th June John son to Peter and Martha Griffith 24-3-1816 Martha dau Peter and Martha Griffith, Gosport labourer 18-4-1819 Peter son of Peter and Martha Griffith, Gosport labourer 19-6-1821 Sarah dau of Peter and Martha Griffith, Gosport labourer 15-1-1813 Anne dau of Peter and Martha Griffiths, Gosport labourer Did you have any of the above......will keep on looking for a marriage of Peter and Martha we now know here surname to be Mathias from the child born in 1804..... Hope this helps Pauline -----Original Message----- From: carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robin Wright Sent: 03 March 2010 07:07 To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages Pauline, Thank you for your help and the information on Peter Griffiths Baptism 9th April 1786. I would appreciate if you could check Baptism details for other children for Evan & Hester. Thanks also for looking for the Marriages, I shall endeavour to check elsewhere. Robin Wright Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline" <ukgenealogy@onvol.net> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages > Hi Robin > > I have a baptism for Peter > > Laugharne parish church > 1786 9th April > Peter Griffith son of Evan and Hester > > Do you have this? If not I will look for siblings for you > > Pauline http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Pauline I am looking for 2 Marriages possibly in Laugharne records:- 1. Marriage between 1800 - 1809 for Peter GRIFFITHS b. Laugharne c. 1785 to Martha ???, b. c. 1783 at Manlloid, Carmarthenshire(don't know her surname & my transcription of her place of birth is from the 1851 Census). 2. Marriage between 1831 -1837 for Evan GRIFFITHS b. Laugharne c. 1809 to Catherine ???, b. c. 1812 (don't know her surname) Any help would be appreciated. Robin Wright Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline" <ukgenealogy@onvol.net> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages

Hi Robin I have a baptism for Peter Laugharne parish church 1786 9th April Peter Griffith son of Evan and Hester Do you have this? If not I will look for siblings for you Pauline -----Original Message----- From: carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robin Wright Sent: 02 March 2010 11:34 To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages Hello Pauline I am looking for 2 Marriages possibly in Laugharne records:- 1. Marriage between 1800 - 1809 for Peter GRIFFITHS b. Laugharne c. 1785 to Martha ???, b. c. 1783 at Manlloid, Carmarthenshire(don't know her surname & my transcription of her place of birth is from the 1851 Census). 2. Marriage between 1831 -1837 for Evan GRIFFITHS b. Laugharne c. 1809 to Catherine ???, b. c. 1812 (don't know her surname) Any help would be appreciated. Robin Wright Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline" <ukgenealogy@onvol.net> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Robin Neither marriage is in my Carmarthenshire marriages 1754-1837.....a few Evan Griffith/s but not the one you want.....only three Peter Griffith/s In 1764 to Rebecka Lewis and 1822 to Ann James in Llanfynydd both servants...the 3rd one is far too late that took place in 1837.... Are you sure they should be there? Pauline -----Original Message----- From: carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robin Wright Sent: 02 March 2010 11:34 To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages Hello Pauline I am looking for 2 Marriages possibly in Laugharne records:- 1. Marriage between 1800 - 1809 for Peter GRIFFITHS b. Laugharne c. 1785 to Martha ???, b. c. 1783 at Manlloid, Carmarthenshire(don't know her surname & my transcription of her place of birth is from the 1851 Census). 2. Marriage between 1831 -1837 for Evan GRIFFITHS b. Laugharne c. 1809 to Catherine ???, b. c. 1812 (don't know her surname) Any help would be appreciated. Robin Wright Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline" <ukgenealogy@onvol.net> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:33 PM Subject: [CMN-L] FW: Laugharne marriages http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Betsy Was at a local quiz in Malta Tonight, first 20 questions all about Wales Good night out. Regards Richard -------Original Message------- From: Elizabeth A. Edwards Date: 01/03/2010 18:40:10 To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CMN-L] Happy St. David's Day! Hwyl fawr ar Ddydd Gwyl Dewi Just wanted to throw that in today, March 1st, National Day of the Welsh! Eat some leeks... Betsy Edwards http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hwyl fawr ar Ddydd Gwyl Dewi Just wanted to throw that in today, March 1st, National Day of the Welsh! Eat some leeks... Betsy Edwards

Hi, was anyone asking about an early marriage in Laugharne.....I have an index from 1639 ..... Pauline

Hello, I have some photos I will pass on. Most of my family was born in Bynea/Llwynhendy. I'd also like to purchase a book when ready. Susan On Feb 27, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Sarah Bassett wrote: > Hello list, > > I would like to ask everyone on behalf of the Bynea/Llwynhendy historical > group, whether anyone has any photographs from the Bynea or Llwynhendy area > of Llanelly(i), and if you could kindly email scans of the photographs to > me please? > > The group are compiling a second book on the history of Bynea & Llwynhendy > and need more photographs, including more recent ones up to the 1950s or > so. > > They are beginning to put the book together now, and any help would be > greatly appreciated as they do need more photographs. > > kind regards, > > Sarah. > http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list, I would like to ask everyone on behalf of the Bynea/Llwynhendy historical group, whether anyone has any photographs from the Bynea or Llwynhendy area of Llanelly(i), and if you could kindly email scans of the photographs to me please? The group are compiling a second book on the history of Bynea & Llwynhendy and need more photographs, including more recent ones up to the 1950s or so. They are beginning to put the book together now, and any help would be greatly appreciated as they do need more photographs. kind regards, Sarah.

Hi Bryan Thanks for this information, and for sharing it with us.... Regards Pauline -----Original Message----- From: carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Richards Sent: 26 February 2010 19:36 To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [CMN-L] James Evans Able Seaman Still listening into CFHS ~ Just indexed on my website www.swanseamariners.org.uk. many Carmarthenshire men on Swansea ships James Evans A.B. born 1842 Carmarthen Wales onboard Fairway of Swansea Official No.56031 , previous ship Mitford of Borness in 1878 signed on 30.10.1878 Swansea Wales left behind 14.02.1879 Tucacas Venezuela Having leg amputated due to a wound Regards Bryan http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list, Who can tell me more about a wedding between Blodwen Jones (1895), daugther of John and Susannah Jones, Felinfoel. She possibly married into the Morgan family near 1920/1925. Know of two daughters called Mair and Dilys. Also would like to make contact with the children of Iorwerth Evans. Believe their father died in Nov 2009 and they still live in the Llanelly-area. Are they in a telephone directory? Elwyn - Netherlands.

Still listening into CFHS ~ Just indexed on my website www.swanseamariners.org.uk. many Carmarthenshire men on Swansea ships James Evans A.B. born 1842 Carmarthen Wales onboard Fairway of Swansea Official No.56031 , previous ship Mitford of Borness in 1878 signed on 30.10.1878 Swansea Wales left behind 14.02.1879 Tucacas Venezuela Having leg amputated due to a wound Regards Bryan

Hi Mona Please read this with a smile and wait for the punch line below (poor that it is)! I take your point. "Loose" can have more than one meaning. In my case, I use it as a simple way of highlighting those people in my Trus(s)ler and related names Database who are still not connected to other Trus(s)ler or Jones people, ie they are "loose pieces" in the very large jig saw I am trying to put together. Now, of course, some of them could be "Loose Loose" in which case they really would take on the sort of meaning you talked about! I must have some because I also have examples of that strange phenomena of Mother's calling children born well after their husband has died by his surname. But of course at that time the Lady is probably still known by his name ie to some people she is still Mrs ...... his surname unless she has reverted to her Maiden name!. However, I also have the odd example of a Lady remarrying in the interim who, whilst using her new Surname, still used her former (late) husband's surname on her next born (perhaps her new husband objected to calling the child his?) Now she would be either a "bit loose?" or an exceedingly clever lady who has found some sort of loophole in the system which gives her some sort of financial advantage by taking this line! But, could the former be perhaps called a "Loose, Loose, Loose" lady?? With that bit of corn, I think we should close this down before fellow Mailers ask what it has to do with Carmarthenshire. I hope the contributors to this storyline agree. Apart from that, my best wishes to you all the Carmarthenshire members who I have found most helpful since I joined recently. Some people have really gone out of their way to help me to sort out some of my puzzles. My best wishes to you also if you are related to one of my Carmarthenshire Jones or Trussler relatives - in which case I would love to hear from you! I was born in Llandybie in 1937 and went to the local school there until I was about 7. My mother was the Trussler and my father was the Jones. As I remember it we lived in the first house on a side road, which lay back from, and was parallel to, Blaenau Road on the right about a third of a mile after you left the village of Llandybie heading towards Pen-y-groes. (I hope I'm getting these names right - it's been a long time!) Best regards Peter Hornchurch, Essex (peterjones550@btinternet.com)

Hello, The only Jones people I have found and researched in my family are these. I am guessing that the "foreign-born parents" were born in Wales, as that is where my Davies/Davis and Rees/Reese people came from. Although the Hastings came from England. Mona ________________________________ Hello, I am reposting this info in hopes of making a connection: The private burial grounds known as the Jones-Taylor Cemetery (or Jones Family Cemetery) is adjacent to the house at 9913 Philadelphia Road The cemetery lot was used by William and Elizabeth Jones, and their descendents, including the Taylor and Henry families and their descendents, as a private burial ground. The burial lot is enclosed with an iron fence and a gate that has the names of William and Elizabeth A. Jones worked into the iron design. As recently as 1926, a church (Jones Memorial Methodist Episcopal) was also located on or next to the property, having been deeded to the church by the Jones family. The following information has been obtained from records held by the Baltimore County Historical Society, obituaries, family history researchthat I have done, and information copied from the tombstones in the cemetery. Known burials are: William Jones 1892 E.A. (Elizabeth) Jones 1899 Thomas Taylor 1890-1901 Kate Taylor 10 months and 10 days Willie Henry Jas K. P. Henry 1905 Mary R. Henry 1925 Naomi Taylor Jessie Taylor Gerald Taylor Helen Fantom Davis Ethel M. Henry Davis 1932 Samuel J. Davis Walter Henry Fanny M. Hastings 1950 Frank R. Hastings 1925 There are possibly other family members buried here as all records were not available and my research is continuing. Here is a brief family history that shows the relationships of the people buried in the cemetery and will be happy to try to answer any questions you may have. Family History Information for Known Burials in the Jones Family Cemetery (research is ongoing) Generation #1: William and Elizabeth A. (nee ??) Jones were born in 1812- 1814 in Maryland. William's parents and Elizabeth's mother were foreign born. Their children include daughter Mary R. b. December 25, 1846 -1852 and (other children ????) In 1870, William and Elizabeth were in Little Gunpowder Falls where William was a farmer. They lived next door to daughter Mary and her family. In 1880, there is a possible match in the census for a William and Elizabeth Jones, both age 65, in the 1st ward of Baltimore city. It lists William as a Huckster, and states that he was born in Maryland and she in Virginia. Previous census records show her being born in Maryland, but I believe this is them. There was no one else living with them, and no obvious family around them. Generation #2: Mary R. Jones-Henry Mary Jones married James KP Henry in approximately 1870. When daughter Jane was born in 1870, they lived in Little Gun Powder Falls, with Mary's parents. James helped on the Henry farm. Also living with them was John GILL, b. and William Collins, b. Unknown relation of either of these two. In 1880, James KP and Mary Henry were living in District 12 of Baltimore County, with children Mary Elizabeth, b. 1871; James D., b. 1873, Francis (Fannie), b. 1877 and Walter b. Jan. 1879. (Daughter Jane, presumably, had died) By 1900, James and Mary were still farming, (District 15, Baltimore County) and four of their 7 children were with them - Walter, b. Jan. 1879; Ethel, b. Aug. 1883; Nellie, b. June 1885 and Bessie, b. August 1890. The older children Mary Elizabeth, James and Francis were out of the house by 1900. Four more children had been born but did not live. Generation #3 Children of Mary Jones-Henry: (Eleven born - 7 lived) Mary Elizabeth married George W. Taylor (b. 1864) approximately 1889. In 1910, they were on York Ave. next door to sister Francis. Brother Walter lived with them and worked in a broom factory. They had at least two daughters, Grace E. (b.1904) and Flora M. (b.1911). By 1920, they had purchased a home at 2619 Greenmount Street. At that time, George was working as a Piano tuner and Mary was a Barber (?) working at home. In 1930, the family was still on Greenmount. By this time, Francis had bought the home next door. Daughter was a stenographer in an office. (George was blind?). Although neither Mary nor George is listed in the burials at the Jones family cemetery, there are several who may be Mary and George's children: Thomas Taylor, b. June 3, 1890, d. Sept. 20, 1901. Kate Taylor, aged 10 months and 10 days (no dates) and Naomi, Jessie and Gerald Taylor, none of whom have stones. It is unknown what happened to Grace and Flora. James D. Henry was married twice, the second time in 1907 to Anna M Sands, b. 1886. He already had a son, Timothy E., b. 1903 from the first wife, and together he and Anna had James S. in 1908 and Mary E. in 1909. In 1910, Anna's older sister Elizabeth lived with them at 205 N. Luzerne Street. Francis married Frank Hastings in 1897 in Baltimore. Frank was a house painter whose parents arrived in New York from England. They had one son, James Warren Hastings, born in 1898. In 1910, they were living at 2623 York Ave, next door to sister Mary Elizabeth and her family. Between 1910 and 1920, the Hastings bought a home at 2621-2623 Greenmount Street. Frank continued to do house painting, and Francis, "Fannie," tended to the many boarders they took in. J. Warren went on to become a well-loved and prominent minister. Frank died in 1925 and Frances died in 1950. Both are buried in the Jones' family plot. It is believed that Fannie Hastings may have been the latest burial. Frank Hastings' death certificate contains this information: Health Dept. City of Baltimore, certificate # 96715, 2023 Greenmount Ave. male, white, married, born March 15, 1855 70 years, house painter, date of death March 23, 1925, cardiac, birthplace Alexandria? VA., father Arthur E. Hastings, born England, mother Addie Pricher, English, informant Fannie Hastings, wife, burial, POPLAR, PHILA. Road, undertaker E.A. Wiedifield, 501 E. 22nd. street Walter lived with sister Mary E. Taylor and her family in 1910, next door to sister Francis Hastings. He was an ironworker. In 1920, at age 40, he was still single and boarding with the widow Sophie Gische. and was working as a rigger in a shipyard. It is unknown if he ever married. He is buried in the Jones family plot, without a marker. Ethel married Samuel Davis, an interior decorator, approximately 1910 and had two daughters, Mary (1912) and Martha. (1914) (Unknown relation of Samuel Davis to our Davis'). In 1930, they were living on Philadelphia Road, very near the Jones Family cemetery. Nellie - Unknown Bessie was married to George L. FANTOM (b. circa 1887 to John and Emma) and had a daughter Francis in 1915. In 1920, they lived on Old Pimlico Road in Baltimore, with Mary's mother Mary Henry. There is a Helen Fantom Davis in the family cemetery - unknown who she is. ********************* Mona ----- Original Message ---- From: Peter Jones <peterjones550@btinternet.com> To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 5:08:23 PM Subject: Re: [CMN-L] FW: Facts! Hi Mona Please read this with a smile and wait for the punch line below (poor that it is)! I take your point. "Loose" can have more than one meaning. In my case, I use it as a simple way of highlighting those people in my Trus(s)ler and related names Database who are still not connected to other Trus(s)ler or Jones people, ie they are "loose pieces" in the very large jig saw I am trying to put together. Now, of course, some of them could be "Loose Loose" in which case they really would take on the sort of meaning you talked about! I must have some because I also have examples of that strange phenomena of Mother's calling children born well after their husband has died by his surname. But of course at that time the Lady is probably still known by his name ie to some people she is still Mrs ...... his surname unless she has reverted to her Maiden name!. However, I also have the odd example of a Lady remarrying in the interim who, whilst using her new Surname, still used her former (late) husband's surname on her next born (perhaps her new husband objected to calling the child his?) Now she would be either a "bit loose?" or an exceedingly clever lady who has found some sort of loophole in the system which gives her some sort of financial advantage by taking this line! But, could the former be perhaps called a "Loose, Loose, Loose" lady?? With that bit of corn, I think we should close this down before fellow Mailers ask what it has to do with Carmarthenshire. I hope the contributors to this storyline agree. Apart from that, my best wishes to you all the Carmarthenshire members who I have found most helpful since I joined recently. Some people have really gone out of their way to help me to sort out some of my puzzles. My best wishes to you also if you are related to one of my Carmarthenshire Jones or Trussler relatives - in which case I would love to hear from you! I was born in Llandybie in 1937 and went to the local school there until I was about 7. My mother was the Trussler and my father was the Jones. As I remember it we lived in the first house on a side road, which lay back from, and was parallel to, Blaenau Road on the right about a third of a mile after you left the village of Llandybie heading towards Pen-y-groes. (I hope I'm getting these names right - it's been a long time!) Best regards Peter Hornchurch, Essex (peterjones550@btinternet.com) http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Gordon and Peter I forgot about this one.....lovely story she must have been such a woman.....this was from the late 1840'early 50's.... Catherine Harwood was a sister to my gtgtgrandfather from Kent......she had three illegitimate children by her elder sisters husband namely John Lines from Kensington London who was very affluent.......she lived with her brothers in Chelsea in 1851, on the birth certificates of the 3 children, she gave her name as Catherine Harwood nee Lines......the name of the father on the birth certificates was her brother William Harwood.....he could not sign in two of them but could on the one......these children kept the surname Harwood.......on the death of her brother in law,in his will he mentioned Catherine and the three children and left them all money.....this woman went on to marry a Surgeon promoted her father to Gentleman, and lived out her life in style.....I would have loved to know this story, or even anyone who is pursuing this family......I only found out this connection as my gtgtgrandfather moved to Swansea with an older brother (sent by the brother in law as they worked for him) and Septimus the illegitimate son of Catherine Harwood and John Lines was baptised in Swansea at the age of 13 giving names and addresses of both parents....never have known anything about this story otherwise... Think they made up more stories in those days than what we do now!!! Thought I would share this one too.....being as she made up so many stories during her lifetime... Pauline -----Original Message----- From: carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Jones Sent: 22 February 2010 17:19 To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Facts! Hi Gordon I have several cases where the marriage certificates show the name of a father when to all intents and purposes the Groom was given his Mother's surname when his birth was registered, ie he was, or seems to have been, base born. In one case the Groom showed his father as William. Co-incidentally this was the Christian name of his Step Father who had an entirely different surname! In another case the Groom's father is shown as George but since I haven't found parents for his mother yet I can't establish for certain that the Mother didn't make a mistake and show her Husband's surname instead of her real Maiden name? Mind you I can't find a father for him called George yet either so by showing an untraceable father he has caused me more problems! I also have a case where the shown (but clearly fictitious) Father's name is, coincidentally (!), the same name as his Mother's father ie his Grandfather who he had lived with all his life!! Perhaps he grew up thinking that his Grandfather was his father. I also have three children who several of us believe were sired by the Mother's father ie their Grandfather. I haven't looked to see what they put on their marriage certificates yet! And finally, I have of course also got several instances where the Mother gave her son the surname of the man she married shortly after the birth suggesting quite strongly that he was the father! I think the latter reason is fairly common quite normal. Especially if they couldn't wait until the much used marrying day, 25th December, when both parties had a holiday! I am sending this reply via the list partly because several members have responded and partly because the more examples we have of what we might see when faced with a problem of yesteryear, the better equipped we all are to find possible solutions. Regards Peter Jones Hornchurch Essex Studying Trus(s)lers etc worldwide -----Original Message----- From: carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gordon myddelton Sent: 22 February 2010 12:06 To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Facts! My gt.gt.gt.grandfather's birth certificate shows no father's name on it but when he married there was a father's name on his marriage certificate. Could he have just picked any name as I can't find any trace of the name in any of the census returns the family are on. http://www.DyfedFreeGen.info http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message