Please don't take it as correct I would still try and find further info I maybe wrong. I was surprised to see that a shoemaker ended up as a collier!! I will keep looking tonight for you and let you know what i come up with, As a shoe maker he may have travelled from parish to parish it doesn't state if he was working for himself or for someone else. In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:41:30 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Sharon, Just thinking, if Walter was from Llanedy, I assume that's still Carmathenshire? He put on census after that born in county, Llanelli, which is ok, but why did they get married 30 miles away in Merythr Tydfil, as their parish? Can't understand that one. Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:03:33 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Did you notice that Walter was born Llanedy on the 1841 census? this parish is situated on the river Loughor near the county border next to Glamorgan near to the towns of Hendy and Pontardulias. I just did a check on Glamorgan for marriages and found Walter Williams married Ann Thomas 24 August 1835 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorgan. You may find that this is where the older children were registered I will look up the children for you Regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 16:42:19 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Sharon, Sorry to bother you again, but do you know if there anyone who does lookups for the area of Llanelly and surrounding areas for marriages? Possible Walter Williams married an Ann Thomas - it's the nearest I've got for years to a name! Date of marriage, well, perhaps 1836-1838 maybe before I just don't know. Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope i have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon, Just thinking, if Walter was from Llanedy, I assume that's still Carmathenshire? He put on census after that born in county, Llanelli, which is ok, but why did they get married 30 miles away in Merythr Tydfil, as their parish? Can't understand that one. Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:03:33 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Did you notice that Walter was born Llanedy on the 1841 census? this parish is situated on the river Loughor near the county border next to Glamorgan near to the towns of Hendy and Pontardulias. I just did a check on Glamorgan for marriages and found Walter Williams married Ann Thomas 24 August 1835 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorgan. You may find that this is where the older children were registered I will look up the children for you Regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 16:42:19 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Sharon, Sorry to bother you again, but do you know if there anyone who does lookups for the area of Llanelly and surrounding areas for marriages? Possible Walter Williams married an Ann Thomas - it's the nearest I've got for years to a name! Date of marriage, well, perhaps 1836-1838 maybe before I just don't know. Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope i have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Helen On the 1841 census with Ancestry it states Llanedy Parish, Hundred Carnwallan, district Llanelly. Have you been able to trace the children further than 1871? In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:20:01 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Sharon, I just looked at my copy of the 1841 - top right, I suppose they wouldn't put Llanelly as the parish? It looked like Llanelly, but as you say could easily be Llanedy? Geography was never my strongest subject. Was it common then afterwards, to put on census Llanelly instead of Llanedy? Do you know if this was a small parish? Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:03:33 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Did you notice that Walter was born Llanedy on the 1841 census? this parish is situated on the river Loughor near the county border next to Glamorgan near to the towns of Hendy and Pontardulias. I just did a check on Glamorgan for marriages and found Walter Williams married Ann Thomas 24 August 1835 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorgan. You may find that this is where the older children were registered I will look up the children for you Regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 16:42:19 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Sharon, Sorry to bother you again, but do you know if there anyone who does lookups for the area of Llanelly and surrounding areas for marriages? Possible Walter Williams married an Ann Thomas - it's the nearest I've got for years to a name! Date of marriage, well, perhaps 1836-1838 maybe before I just don't know. Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope i have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon, I just looked at my copy of the 1841 - top right, I suppose they wouldn't put Llanelly as the parish? It looked like Llanelly, but as you say could easily be Llanedy? Geography was never my strongest subject. Was it common then afterwards, to put on census Llanelly instead of Llanedy? Do you know if this was a small parish? Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:03:33 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Did you notice that Walter was born Llanedy on the 1841 census? this parish is situated on the river Loughor near the county border next to Glamorgan near to the towns of Hendy and Pontardulias. I just did a check on Glamorgan for marriages and found Walter Williams married Ann Thomas 24 August 1835 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorgan. You may find that this is where the older children were registered I will look up the children for you Regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 16:42:19 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Sharon, Sorry to bother you again, but do you know if there anyone who does lookups for the area of Llanelly and surrounding areas for marriages? Possible Walter Williams married an Ann Thomas - it's the nearest I've got for years to a name! Date of marriage, well, perhaps 1836-1838 maybe before I just don't know. Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope i have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Blimey, Sharon you're magic! No I didn't notice I thought it said Llanelly??? In a message dated 18/05/2010 17:03:33 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Did you notice that Walter was born Llanedy on the 1841 census? this parish is situated on the river Loughor near the county border next to Glamorgan near to the towns of Hendy and Pontardulias. I just did a check on Glamorgan for marriages and found Walter Williams married Ann Thomas 24 August 1835 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorgan. You may find that this is where the older children were registered I will look up the children for you Regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 16:42:19 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Sharon, Sorry to bother you again, but do you know if there anyone who does lookups for the area of Llanelly and surrounding areas for marriages? Possible Walter Williams married an Ann Thomas - it's the nearest I've got for years to a name! Date of marriage, well, perhaps 1836-1838 maybe before I just don't know. Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope i have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Did you notice that Walter was born Llanedy on the 1841 census? this parish is situated on the river Loughor near the county border next to Glamorgan near to the towns of Hendy and Pontardulias. I just did a check on Glamorgan for marriages and found Walter Williams married Ann Thomas 24 August 1835 Merthyr Tydfil Glamorgan. You may find that this is where the older children were registered I will look up the children for you Regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 16:42:19 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Sharon, Sorry to bother you again, but do you know if there anyone who does lookups for the area of Llanelly and surrounding areas for marriages? Possible Walter Williams married an Ann Thomas - it's the nearest I've got for years to a name! Date of marriage, well, perhaps 1836-1838 maybe before I just don't know. Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope i have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will have a look for you. In a message dated 18/05/2010 16:42:19 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Sharon, Sorry to bother you again, but do you know if there anyone who does lookups for the area of Llanelly and surrounding areas for marriages? Possible Walter Williams married an Ann Thomas - it's the nearest I've got for years to a name! Date of marriage, well, perhaps 1836-1838 maybe before I just don't know. Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope i have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Helen If you can find an address it will help locate the correct person. On the census it stated Upper Wern. They will do a search for a period of time either side of the date you give. I would assume that Walter would have signed the death cert. I recently asked at Camarthen records to look up a missing child for a couple within my tree, I had the names of eight of the children and they kindly found the 9th. Maybe the first child was illegitimate, that is why I mentioned going for the three younger children and not the first two, although i did find the ones I sent you earlier Have you tried the archives in Camarthen? you would be able to search births of all the children along with deaths etc If you can't get there yourself and can't find anyone to look for you then the staff are really helpful and although they charge £20 per hour I doubt it would take them that long to trace the family as you have so much detail. If I wasn't in Winchester I would go and do the search for you. Maybe another member is going to the archives and could do a look up Regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 16:16:28 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Thanks Sharon, I didn't think about being under age? Interesting. I have tried baptisms for all the children, but they say +/- 3 years, there isn't one??? There were so many deaths for an Ann Williams between 1861-1871 that I don't suppose the registry office would look to make sure which one? Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelli is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope I have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelli, Carmarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelli? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon, Sorry to bother you again, but do you know if there anyone who does lookups for the area of Llanelly and surrounding areas for marriages? Possible Walter Williams married an Ann Thomas - it's the nearest I've got for years to a name! Date of marriage, well, perhaps 1836-1838 maybe before I just don't know. Regards Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope i have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Sharon, I didn't think about being under age? Interesting. I have tried baptisms for all the children, but they say +/- 3 years, there isn't one??? There were so many deaths for an Ann Williams between 1861-1871 that I don't suppose the registry office would look to make sure which one? Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 13:33:16 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope i have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Sharon, They did tell me at the Carmarthen Registry Office that they only found one certificate for 1838 which showed birth of Jane Williams to a mother Ann, but not father Walter. They said this was the parish of Llangathen?? Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 11:45:27 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: Hi Helen I have come up with 3 possible births for Jane Mar 1838 26 501 June 1838 26 533 and Sept 1838 26 505 You could send for the cert or maybe ask at the archive for someone to kindly do a look up for you in the Llanelli Parish register. In the mean time I will look into this today and get back to you Regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 11:10:59 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Hi Sharon, Thanks for replying. On the 1841 Census at Wern, Llanelly, I have as follows: Walter Williams, Collier, 25 Anne Williams, wife, 25 William Williams, 2 Jane Williams, 3 All born in County On 1851, Upper Wern, Borough of Llanelly Walter Williams, head, married, 35, shoemaker, Llanelly, Camarthen Ann Williams, wife, married, 35, Llanelly, Carmarthen Jane Williams, dau, 13, at home " Thomas Williams, 11, at home " William Williams, 9, at home " David Williams, 6, at home " Walter Williams, 3, at home " Mary Williams, 3 months " Mary Williams, my ancestor, thought 3 months easy certificate - they can't find one with parents Walter and Ann?????????? On 1861, Walter is widower and 1871 it shows him with his second with Jane and 2 children plus 2 stepchildren, who although confirm to me I have the right family, because one was a witness on Mary's marriage, still can't understand where they fit into the family??? I think William on 1841 might have died and also Walter aged 3 on 1851 died because there is another Walter on his second marriage. Thanks Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:53:32 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: What dates of birth do you have for the first two children? regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Helen Firstly I would think your best bet would be to track down the birth of the younger child Mary which would be in the St Paul parish record within Llanelli as that is where they are living, what may have happened is that they may have given the wrong age for Ann in the census if she was under age of marriage without parents consent, so it may well be that they then married in 1842 when she was of age to do so. if you manage to find Mary's birth cert it would also give an address which would also give you information to track down the death of Ann within the period of 1851 and 1861 the family still seem to be living in the same area of Llanelli. the other marriage date for a Walter in Llanelly is 1866 and she would be using her married name, as she may have also been widowed. I would go with Birth cert of William, David, Walter and Mary and go either side by a year as the census is not always correct in regards ages. you have probably found that each research site also states age variations. It took me 3 years to un pick my Thomas family I ended up tracing down from children's marriages back to the parents. Hope i have been of some help Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Helen I have come up with 3 possible births for Jane Mar 1838 26 501 June 1838 26 533 and Sept 1838 26 505 You could send for the cert or maybe ask at the archive for someone to kindly do a look up for you in the Llanelli Parish register. In the mean time I will look into this today and get back to you Regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 11:10:59 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Hi Sharon, Thanks for replying. On the 1841 Census at Wern, Llanelly, I have as follows: Walter Williams, Collier, 25 Anne Williams, wife, 25 William Williams, 2 Jane Williams, 3 All born in County On 1851, Upper Wern, Borough of Llanelly Walter Williams, head, married, 35, shoemaker, Llanelly, Camarthen Ann Williams, wife, married, 35, Llanelly, Carmarthen Jane Williams, dau, 13, at home " Thomas Williams, 11, at home " William Williams, 9, at home " David Williams, 6, at home " Walter Williams, 3, at home " Mary Williams, 3 months " Mary Williams, my ancestor, thought 3 months easy certificate - they can't find one with parents Walter and Ann?????????? On 1861, Walter is widower and 1871 it shows him with his second with Jane and 2 children plus 2 stepchildren, who although confirm to me I have the right family, because one was a witness on Mary's marriage, still can't understand where they fit into the family??? I think William on 1841 might have died and also Walter aged 3 on 1851 died because there is another Walter on his second marriage. Thanks Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:53:32 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: What dates of birth do you have for the first two children? regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sharon, Thanks for replying. On the 1841 Census at Wern, Llanelly, I have as follows: Walter Williams, Collier, 25 Anne Williams, wife, 25 William Williams, 2 Jane Williams, 3 All born in County On 1851, Upper Wern, Borough of Llanelly Walter Williams, head, married, 35, shoemaker, Llanelly, Camarthen Ann Williams, wife, married, 35, Llanelly, Carmarthen Jane Williams, dau, 13, at home " Thomas Williams, 11, at home " William Williams, 9, at home " David Williams, 6, at home " Walter Williams, 3, at home " Mary Williams, 3 months " Mary Williams, my ancestor, thought 3 months easy certificate - they can't find one with parents Walter and Ann?????????? On 1861, Walter is widower and 1871 it shows him with his second with Jane and 2 children plus 2 stepchildren, who although confirm to me I have the right family, because one was a witness on Mary's marriage, still can't understand where they fit into the family??? I think William on 1841 might have died and also Walter aged 3 on 1851 died because there is another Walter on his second marriage. Thanks Helen In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:53:32 GMT Daylight Time, Msharonmeek@aol.com writes: What dates of birth do you have for the first two children? regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What dates of birth do you have for the first two children? regards Sharon In a message dated 18/05/2010 10:45:44 GMT Daylight Time, HMC001@aol.com writes: Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can SKS please help me? I am trying to trace, correction, I've been trying what seems like forever, to trace a family, who on all census put they were from Llanelly, Camarthenshire. I cannot for the life of me find birth or marriage. However, can anyone tell me what other areas nearby I should be looking at, that would cover the area Llanelly? On the 1841 census, parents Walter and Ann/e Williams are put as aged 25 with 2 children. Archives could not find a marriage for them. I asked the Registry Office and they found nothing 1838-1840, however I did find one, and only one marriage of a Walter Williams to an Ann Moss, it could be that they put down 'married on the census'. Their marriage is 1842. I searched for a baptism for the first two children Jane and William. The only baptism with the mother Ann they could find for a Jane Williams in 1838 (she put aged 2 on the 1841 census) was in a place called Llangathen, which they advise me is north of Llanelly, but the father is not Walter!!?? Archives could not find a baptism before 1838 for a Jane Williams, parents Ann and Walter. Then in 1851, a few more children appear, and again I cannot seem to find any baptisms. Then by 1871, Walter married again, so I thought if I could get the second marriage, perhaps it would tell me a bit more about Walter and I could work back - how wrong I was! I know he married a Jane Thomas sometime between 1861-1871, Ann having died, as on the 1861 Walter is put as widower. But the only marriage in 1866 of a Walter Williams, in Llanelly is to a Jane Edwards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found census for Jane Thomas and it never shows her as being married before, always her maiden name Thomas. So I'm thinking, either this family is fictious!! or I'm possibly looking in the wrong area? So if they put Llanelly (and all of them did) on census, what other areas should I be looking to for baptisms/marriages that would be nearby. The only thing I did manage to get was Walter's death certificate, which only confirmed that he did exist and that he had a son called Walter from his second marriage. Regards Helen

Good afternoon, I had come across your email address while browsing on the internet, and wondered whether you know anything at all about Menna Gwyn's descent from the Vaughans of Golden Grove. She in mentioned in a book about the family and I am her grandson and am extremely interested in the lineage. Thanks, Cai Gwyn Wilshaw Gan iPhone Cai

Would anyone have information on the above person. He was born in Aberystwyth about 1881 his parents were also John Lloyd Davies and Mary Ann formerly Harrison. His father was an Iron Moulder John Lloyd Davies junior came to New Zealand about 1911 and lived in Wellington. where he died on 27 October 1914. He was engaged to my Aunt ,Minnie Adams, six weeks before the wedding he passed away. He is buried in our family plot in the Karori Cemetery in Wellington. I would love to find more information on this family, if anyone can help it would be much appreciated. Liz Martin Hastings N.Z.

Liz, Had a quick look at 1891, 3 years +/- the only one I could find with John Lloyd. But the mother's name is Annie? Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born Original census image ____________________________________ DAVIES, Annie Head Widow F 54 1837 Aberystwith Cardiganshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('e7473dd4895d3a2fc16cbd9130caded09518ff3afd509324515e159c351302383aa4d3bda8f5222cd62766bd0214ac59','8fd43ef53ab022 857a93a8a221c91acd2ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61fbf2cba41a078','1891%20 Census%20<br>DAVIES,%20Annie<br>ABERYSTWITH,%20Cardiganshire<br>RG12%20piece %204558%20folio%2029%20page%203%20',%20'N',%20'H','45580000061','26','0',0)) DAVIES, Richard Son Single M 25 1866 Plumber Aberystwith Cardiganshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('e7473dd4895d3a2fc16cbd9130caded09518ff3afd509324515e159c351302383aa4d3bda8f5222cd62766bd0214ac59','8fd43ef53ab022 857a93a8a221c91acd2ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61fbf2cba41a078','1891%20 Census%20<br>DAVIES,%20Richard<br>ABERYSTWITH,%20Cardiganshire<br>RG12%20pie ce%204558%20folio%2029%20page%203%20',%20'N',%20'H','45580000061','27','0',0 )) DAVIES, William J Son Single M 20 1871 Plasterer Aberystwith Cardiganshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('e7473dd4895d3a2fc16cbd9130caded09518ff3afd509324515e159c351302383aa4d3bda8f5222cd62766bd0214ac59','8fd43ef53ab022 857a93a8a221c91acd2ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61fbf2cba41a078','1891%20 Census%20<br>DAVIES,%20William%20J<br>ABERYSTWITH,%20Cardiganshire<br>RG12%2 0piece%204558%20folio%2029%20page%203%20',%20'N',%20'H','45580000061','28',' 0',0)) DAVIES, Mary E Daughter Single F 16 1875 Aberystwith Cardiganshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('e7473dd4895d3a2fc16cbd9130caded09518ff3afd509324515e159c351302383aa4d3bda8f5222cd62766bd0214ac59','8fd43ef53ab022 857a93a8a221c91acd2ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61fbf2cba41a078','1891%20 C ensus%20<br>DAVIES,%20Mary%20E<br>ABERYSTWITH,%20Cardiganshire<br>RG12%20piece%204558%20folio%2029%20page%203%20',%20'N',%20'H','45580000061','29','0', 0)) DAVIES, Lewis T Son Single M 14 1877 Plasterer Aberystwith Cardiganshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('e7473dd4895d3a2fc16cbd9130caded09518ff3afd509324515e159c351302383aa4d3bda8f5222cd62766bd0214ac59','8fd43ef53ab022 857a93a8a221c91acd2ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61fbf2cba41a078','1891%20 Census%20<br>DAVIES,%20Lewis%20T<br>ABERYSTWITH,%20Cardiganshire<br>RG12%20p iece%204558%20folio%2029%20page%203%20',%20'N',%20'H','45580000061','30','0' ,0)) DAVIES, John Ll Son Single M 9 1882 Aberystwith Cardiganshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('e7473dd4895d3a2fc16cbd9130caded09518ff3afd509324515e159c351302383aa4d3bda8f5222cd62766bd0214ac59','8fd43ef53ab022 857a93a8a221c91acd2ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61fbf2cba41a078','1891%20 Census%20<br>DAVIES,%20John%20Ll<br>ABERYSTWITH,%20Cardiganshire<br>RG12%20p iece%204558%20folio%2029%20page%203%20',%20'N',%20'H','45580000061','31','0' ,0)) ____________________________________ RG number: RG12 Piece: 4558 Folio: 29 Page: 3 Registration District: Aberystwith Sub District: Aberystwith Enumeration District: 2 Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Trinity Civil Parish: Aberystwith Municipal Borough: Aberystwith Address: 13, Skinner Road, Aberystwith County: Cardiganshire Regards Helen In a message dated 16/05/2010 01:48:56 GMT Daylight Time, lizmartin@xtra.co.nz writes: Would anyone have information on the above person. He was born in Aberystwyth about 1881 his parents were also John Lloyd Davies and Mary Ann formerly Harrison. His father was an Iron Moulder John Lloyd Davies junior came to New Zealand about 1911 and lived in Wellington. where he died on 27 October 1914. He was engaged to my Aunt ,Minnie Adams, six weeks before the wedding he passed away. He is buried in our family plot in the Karori Cemetery in Wellington. I would love to find more information on this family, if anyone can help it would be much appreciated. Liz Martin Hastings N.Z. http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder why whenever I send an email or reply to a question on the Carmarthenshire look up group that my email does not come back to me. Am I not subscribed or just being blanked? I know I am not so active on the list as I once was. thank you Diana