HI Sharon Yes, both lists are quiet.......I know the world cup is on, plus the sunshine of course......lets hope we all get back to our family history soon!! Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <Msharonmeek@aol.com> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:35 PM Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Lists? > Glad to hear from someone, I started to think the same thing. > Sharon > > > In a message dated 23/06/2010 19:58:28 GMT Daylight Time, > heuly@btinternet.com writes: > > Are both FHS & Carms lists non-existent at the moment, or just no-one > sending messages to either? > HJ > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2961 - Release Date: 06/24/10 20:35:00

I am so pleased to learn that I am not the only one to miss the usual communications and chats. What is going on? Barbara In a message dated 24/06/2010 08:05:42 GMT Daylight Time, carmarthenshire-request@rootsweb.com writes: Today's Topics: 1. Lists? (H. J.) 2. Re: Lists? (Msharonmeek@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 19:56:22 +0100 From: "H. J." <heuly@btinternet.com> Subject: [CMN-L] Lists? To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS@rootsweb.com> Cc: CARMARTHENSHIRE@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <ED50DCF7C4F342D2B1C12A1E103A4069@D3L4C12J> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Are both FHS & Carms lists non-existent at the moment, or just no-one sending messages to either? HJ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 17:35:04 EDT From: Msharonmeek@aol.com Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Lists? To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <58e52.3c2e4232.3953d808@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Glad to hear from someone, I started to think the same thing. Sharon In a message dated 23/06/2010 19:58:28 GMT Daylight Time, heuly@btinternet.com writes: Are both FHS & Carms lists non-existent at the moment, or just no-one sending messages to either? HJ http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the CARMARTHENSHIRE list administrator, send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the CARMARTHENSHIRE mailing list, send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of CARMARTHENSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 98 **********************************************

Are both FHS & Carms lists non-existent at the moment, or just no-one sending messages to either? HJ

Glad to hear from someone, I started to think the same thing. Sharon In a message dated 23/06/2010 19:58:28 GMT Daylight Time, heuly@btinternet.com writes: Are both FHS & Carms lists non-existent at the moment, or just no-one sending messages to either? HJ http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, Just to thank all of you kind people who translated my ancestors gravestone for me. Much appreciated , also your tips on cleaning said stone to enable it to be read easier, I shall have to wait till next year when I go again on holiday to my beloved Carmarthenshire. And yes it was great to find it, as the last time I was in Llanegwad I couldnt get inside the churchyard ,it was cordoned off due to repairs. This time however I managed it! Thank you all once again . Cheers Jackie from East Sussex. The only way to look into the future, Is by standing on the shoulders of the past.

Hi Translation is died, Dec 28 1899 70 years old Also his wife Mary Died Sept 11 1922 79 years old. Anona -----Original Message----- From: carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Tiernan Sent: 14 June 2010 15:25 To: CARMARTHENSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [CMN-L] welsh translation please Hi List, Having found my ancestors gravestone in Llanegawd church after they had cleared the brambles this year, I need help in translation as I am ashamed to say although born in Wales, I cannot speak welsh nor translate. It was quite overgrown with ivy & lichen, but I managed to decipher the following: Simon Jones New Lodge Allterferin . Bufarw rhag 28 1899 Yn 70 Mlwyddoed Hefyd Am Mary Ei [or could be L.] Wraig Bufarw Medi 11 1922. Yn 79 Mlwyddoed. This is as much as I could see unfortunately, it was very difficult to get any more info from the stone, does anyone have an idea how to clean the stone to make it easier to read? Thanking you for your time. Regards Jackie from East Sussex. The only way to look into the future, Is by standing on the shoulders of the past. http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2936 - Release Date: 06/13/10 20:45:00

Hi Jackie I have managed to "read" some gravestones by covering the lettering with paper and scribbling over it with a pencil i.e. a form of brass rubbing. This could help. Regards David --- On Mon, 14/6/10, Jacqueline Tiernan <jacqueline.tiernan@sky.com> wrote: From: Jacqueline Tiernan <jacqueline.tiernan@sky.com> Subject: [CMN-L] welsh translation please To: CARMARTHENSHIRE@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 14 June, 2010, 15:24 Hi List, Having found my ancestors gravestone  in Llanegawd church after they had cleared the brambles this year, I need help in translation as  I am ashamed to say although born in Wales, I cannot speak welsh nor translate. It was quite overgrown with ivy & lichen, but I managed to decipher the following: Simon Jones New Lodge Allterferin . Bufarw rhag 28 1899 Yn 70 Mlwyddoed Hefyd Am Mary Ei  [or could be L.] Wraig Bufarw Medi 11 1922. Yn 79 Mlwyddoed. This is as much as I could see unfortunately, it was very difficult to get any more info from the stone,  does anyone have an idea how to clean the stone to make it easier to read? Thanking you for your time. Regards Jackie from East Sussex. The only way to look into the future, Is by standing on the shoulders of the past. http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, Having found my ancestors gravestone in Llanegawd church after they had cleared the brambles this year, I need help in translation as I am ashamed to say although born in Wales, I cannot speak welsh nor translate. It was quite overgrown with ivy & lichen, but I managed to decipher the following: Simon Jones New Lodge Allterferin . Bufarw rhag 28 1899 Yn 70 Mlwyddoed Hefyd Am Mary Ei [or could be L.] Wraig Bufarw Medi 11 1922. Yn 79 Mlwyddoed. This is as much as I could see unfortunately, it was very difficult to get any more info from the stone, does anyone have an idea how to clean the stone to make it easier to read? Thanking you for your time. Regards Jackie from East Sussex. The only way to look into the future, Is by standing on the shoulders of the past.

The Welsh is: Bufarw rhag 28 1899--Died Dec.. 28, 1899 Yn 70 Mlwyddoed --in (his) 70th year or 70 years old--not sure which--someone else, please clarify Hefyd Am Mary Ei  [or could be L.] Wraig--Also of Mary his wife (it is "ei") Bufarw Medi 11 1922.--Died Sept. 11, 1922 Yn 79 Mlwyddoed.--in (her) 79th year or 79 years old--not sure which-- someone else please clarify HTH, I'm just a learner, Mona   ________________________________ From: Jacqueline Tiernan <jacqueline.tiernan@sky.com> To: CARMARTHENSHIRE@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 9:24:48 AM Subject: [CMN-L] welsh translation please Hi List, Having found my ancestors gravestone  in Llanegawd church after they had cleared the brambles this year, I need help in translation as  I am ashamed to say although born in Wales, I cannot speak welsh nor translate. It was quite overgrown with ivy & lichen, but I managed to decipher the following: Simon Jones New Lodge Allterferin . Bufarw rhag 28 1899 Yn 70 Mlwyddoed Hefyd Am Mary Ei  [or could be L.] Wraig Bufarw Medi 11 1922. Yn 79 Mlwyddoed. This is as much as I could see unfortunately, it was very difficult to get any more info from the stone,  does anyone have an idea how to clean the stone to make it easier to read? Thanking you for your time. Regards Jackie from East Sussex. The only way to look into the future, Is by standing on the shoulders of the past. http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jackie, Congratulations on finding your ancestor's headstone - you are lucky! I suggest taking a spray bottle with water and wetting the stone as that will sometimes make it easier to read. Also, try reading it from different angles. On one headstone we couldn't read, we carefully dabbed some damp dirt (which can act as an abrasive if rubbed) into the engraved sections on a stone making the words darker so they stand out more. Afterwards the dirt can be washed out using the spray bottle of water. On stones that are flaking, I would avoid using any sort of a brush or anything that touches them (besides water). On studier stones, a very soft brush might not hurt them to clean them up a bit. Taking pictures of stones at different angles and in different lighting (bring a flashlight or mirror) then enhancing them on the computer also helps. Awhile back I read where headstones can now be photographed using thermal imaging which is nondestructive and does an amazing job in making the illegible become legible! Unfortunately, not a piece of equipment we can throw in our bags, yet anyway! Good luck, Kathy

Hello list, Anybody familiar with the Evans family from Dafen, Llanelly. Think they were at New Road, Dafen near 1891. Son Thomas Rhys Evans, born 1892 at Dafen, married my Elisabeth Thomas at Adulam Felinfoel. Would like to find out more on the Evans family. Know that Thomas Rhys Evans had a sister called Lettice Evans. She was a witness at his wedding in 1915. Elwyn - netherlands.

Dear All, Googlemail has ceased using the full word for email addresses. Our email address is now littlewarrenfarm@gmail.com with best wishes Jim and Diana Murray

> Hello List, > > I hope to find information on the following people, which I have > no surname. > > > Searching for information on the family of Daniel Price Williams born > 3 Feb 1853, Llandeilo'r-fan, Breconshire. > His Parents: Samuel Daniel Williams born 10 Apr 1826, died 27 Aug > 1900 Idaho, > USA. > > > > Mother Ann Price born 10 Apr 1810, died 27 Apr 1866 > Llandeilo'r-fan. > Daniel lived with his maternal grandparents and with his > uncle, until I find him in 1881 census, Llanelly, > Carmarthenshire with a wife Ann nee Lewis? and daughter > Mary Ann born abt 1876 Rhandirisaf ?, Carmarthen. > While going through my grandmother old papers I found 2 letters, one > dated Dec. 1948 the other Jan. 1949, they were written > to my grandmothers brother, one is signed by Mary Ann age 72 and > Evelyn, who mentions her husband named Tom and the other signed by > Meinit ? > > who > mentions a brother Merinion? who is 4 years old. > Enclosed was picture of a little boy with the name Merinion ? > Owen? > > Of > course there is no envelope to be found > or last name. Only clue is Talsarn? Lampeter, Card-shire. > Daniel's father and siblings sailed for America in 1868, Daniel was > left behind because his maternal grandparents said > it would break their hearts if he went. > > I have always wanted to know more about Daniel and his descendants, > because of the story of being left in Wales. > > Any help or information appreciated, > Regards, > Carla

Hello list, Wonder if somebody is familiar with this abode in Llanelly. Know that my Roberts ancestors were farming there near 1823. Can somebody tell me if the farm is still there? Elwyn - Netherlands.

Hello list, Wonder if somebody has come across William Charles and Ann Robert. Married 1867 at Adulam Chapel, Felinfoel. William Charles, Furnace, born 1844, son of David Charles. Ann Robert, born 1848, dau of Thomas Robert, Felinfoel. Her father had deceased before 1867. No nothing about this part of my Roberts ancestors. Elwyn - Netherlands.

Hi, I wonder if SKS has any details on marriages for the Llanelli and surrounding areas. I am looking for the marriage of Walter Williams to Ann Thomas. On 1841 census they are both aged 25, and the first born, Jane is circa 1838. However, Jane might not be the daughter of Walter, and also a marriage for Walter Williams to a Jane Thomas circa 1862-1868. I think the marriage may be between 1835-1838, I'm not sure. The children listed as theirs on the 1851 are: Jane 1838 Thomas 1840 William 1842 David 1845 Walter 1848 I think may have died before 1861 Mary 1850 The areas in question are Llangathen (Llangethen) area which is north of Llanelli, so I'm told and also Llanedy. Although census say they were living at Wern and Upper Wern, Llanelli, it's been pointed out that the 1841 actually says Llanedy. Much obliged if anyone can help Regards Helen

Hubert, This is what I found 1901 Census Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born Original census image ____________________________________ FLOWERS, Hubert Pauper Inmate M 13 1888 None Drayton Oxfordshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('5e1d9ccb4fb1e7c34803ee6d8029 8a36','7b4cb2be385cf0a16d394f0be1e11e37f627a5a85aba707dbfb7678d6c1a53eefeb959b7d4642fcb','1901 Census <br>FLOWERS, Hubert<br>BANBURY, Oxfordshire<br>RG13 piece 1406 folio 134 page 6 ', 'N', 'H','409702','22','0',0)) ____________________________________ RG number: RG13 Piece: 1406 Folio: 134 Page: 6 Registration District: Banbury Sub District: Banbury Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: St Marys Civil Parish: Neithrop Municipal Borough: Address: Neithrop County: Oxfordshire This is the only Hubert Flowers I found! I believe the same Hubert is given below on the 1891 if you look at where he was born - Banbury! Funny enough this is where I live at the moment! Although I originate from London, I'm living here at the moment. 1891 Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born Original census image ____________________________________ FOGG, Catherine J Head Married F 50 1841 Living On Her Own Means Peterborough Northamptonshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('f3fb1687c032cfc6acf2865a976e251d79047d8978f7ecb9f04b8b0119a498f6f4297cbf5b8a35306827306e91609e51 ','485791a84ca4f742436f8c7953533ee22ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61fbf2cb a41a078','1891 Census <br>FOGG, Catherine J<br>PETERBOROUGH, Northamptonshire<br>RG12 piece 1230 folio 46 page 25 ', 'N', 'H','12300000094','6','0',0)) FOGG, Edward John Son Single M 19 1872 Apprentice Fitter Lahore India British Subject _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('f3fb1687c032cfc6acf2865a976e251d79047d8978f7ecb9f04b8b0119a498f6f4297cbf5b8a35306827306e916 09e51','485791a84ca4f742436f8c7953533ee22ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61f bf2cba41a078','1891 Census <br>FOGG, Edward John<br>PETERBOROUGH, Northamptonshire<br>RG12 piece 1230 folio 46 page 25 ', 'N', 'H','12300000094','7','0',0)) FOGG, George William Son Single M 18 1873 Apprentice Mason Peterborough Northamptonshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('f3fb1687c032cfc6acf2865a976e251d79047d8978f7ecb9f04b8b0119a498f6f4297cbf5b8a35306827306e91609e51 ','485791a84ca4f742436f8c7953533ee22ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61fbf2cb a41a078','1891 Census <br>FOGG, George William<br>PETERBOROUGH, Northamptonshire<br>RG12 piece 1230 folio 46 page 25 ', 'N', 'H','12300000094','8','0',0)) FLOWERS, Madeline Daughter Married F 22 1869 Living On Her Own Means Lahore India British Subject _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('f3fb1687c032cfc6acf2865a976e251d79047d8978f7ecb9f04b8b0119a498f6f4297cbf5b8a35306827306e916 09e51','485791a84ca4f742436f8c7953533ee22ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61f bf2cba41a078','1891 Census <br>FLOWERS, Madeline<br>PETERBOROUGH, Northamptonshire<br>RG12 piece 1230 folio 46 page 25 ', 'N', 'H','12300000094','9','0',0)) FLOWERS, Herbert Henry Grandson M 3 1888 Banbury Oxfordshire _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('f3fb1687c032cfc6acf2865a976e251d79047d8978f7ecb9f04b8b0119a498f6f4297cbf5b8a35306827306e91609e51','48 5791a84ca4f742436f8c7953533ee22ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61fbf2cba41a0 78','1891 Census <br>FLOWERS, Herbert Henry<br>PETERBOROUGH, Northamptonshire<br>RG12 piece 1230 folio 46 page 25 ', 'N', 'H','12300000094','10','0',0)) FLOWERS, Thomas Ed Grandson M 1 1890 Ireland _VIEW_ (javascript:showPhotoDjVuImage('f3fb1687c032cfc6acf2865a976e251d79047d8978f7ecb9f04b8b0119a498f6f4297cbf5b8a35306827306e91609e51','485791 a84ca4f742436f8c7953533ee22ca9dde4ad2d0f01a778baeef68c7536c61fbf2cba41a078', '1891 Census <br>FLOWERS, Thomas Ed<br>PETERBOROUGH, Northamptonshire<br>RG12 piece 1230 folio 46 page 25 ', 'N', 'H','12300000094','11','0',0)) ____________________________________ RG number: RG12 Piece: 1230 Folio: 46 Page: 25 Registration District: Peterborough Sub District: Peterborough Enumeration District: 30 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mark Peterborough Civil Parish: Peterborough Municipal Borough: Peterborough Address: 37, Lincoln Road East, Peterborough County: Northamptonshire The marriage at least will tell you where they were living at the time and also their fathers. I would suggest you call Carmarthen Record Office if they were married there, or whichever local office, they are much better. I believe it costs £10 now for a certificate. A certificate is always a good starting point. Hubert may have moved to London later on, it's not that far away (as long as you are driving, not walking!) See what you think of the above Regards Helen In a message dated 20/05/2010 01:36:54 GMT Daylight Time, flt1469@ncisp.net writes: thank you for look up .this could he family I am searching .there was a marriage that took place in Carmarthen Emily Tompkins to Hubert H Flowers sep 1943 .Flowers is my line Hubert was born 1888 he lived London I am thinking that this family moved to Carmarthen .I found the marriage on BMD I would like to get a copy of the marriage record .this would give me the information about Hubert and Emily some what confused information that was giving is to send to Carmarthen for record or Kew.I did hire a genealogists at one point on other searches and sent a $120.00 check money order what I got in return was info from internet that I had. I understand things happen when you are not up to speed with researching family. regards Hubert http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

thank you for look up .this could he family I am searching .there was a marriage that took place in Carmarthen Emily Tompkins to Hubert H Flowers sep 1943 .Flowers is my line Hubert was born 1888 he lived London I am thinking that this family moved to Carmarthen .I found the marriage on BMD I would like to get a copy of the marriage record .this would give me the information about Hubert and Emily some what confused information that was giving is to send to Carmarthen for record or Kew.I did hire a genealogists at one point on other searches and sent a $120.00 check money order what I got in return was info from internet that I had. I understand things happen when you are not up to speed with researching family. regards Hubert

Emily R Tompkins did you find on familysearch.org? -------------------------------------------------- From: <HMC001@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:55 AM To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Tompkins > There's some mention 1901, who exactly are you looking for? > > Regards > > Helen > > > In a message dated 19/05/2010 14:50:33 GMT Daylight Time, > flt1469@ncisp.net > writes: > > are there any mention of Tompkins family recorded in census? I have a > Emily > R Tompkins born > about 1900 . > Thank you Hubert US > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There's some mention 1901, who exactly are you looking for? Regards Helen In a message dated 19/05/2010 14:50:33 GMT Daylight Time, flt1469@ncisp.net writes: are there any mention of Tompkins family recorded in census? I have a Emily R Tompkins born about 1900 . Thank you Hubert US http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message