Joycene, You could try as first port of call, archives at Carmarthenshire, _archives@carmarthenshire.gov.uk_ (mailto:archives@carmarthenshire.gov.uk) . Failing that, National Library of Wales may be of assistance. I know that pre 1800 is very difficult in Wales, and I personally found Carmarthenshire hardest. I'm sure you've probably tried FamilySearch.org. Anyway, it's a start Regards Helen. In a message dated 06/08/2010 02:59:30 GMT Daylight Time, joycenech@aol.com writes: My 6G Grandfather, Simon Butler (born between 1680 and 1692 in Wales), sailed to Pennsylvania in 1710. Although I have followed the family down to my 2G Grandmother (Pamelia Morris-plus), and know a lot about Simon Butler's accomplishments in Pennsylvania, I know little about the family in Wales. With Simon when he arrived from Wales were: Simon Butler's wife Ann Mathew Ann's father Anthony Mathew Simon Butler's sister Jane Butler Jane Butler's husband, Simon Mathew, who was also Anthony's son and Ann's brother That seems to be the consensus with regard to their relationships. They all came from the Carmarthenshire area, some possibly from Llangennech. It is said that they left Wales with another dozen or so people who were interested in starting a Baptist Church in Chalfont (at different times called Butler's Mill or Butler's Village), Pennsylvania, which they did. Although I have seen many posts about ancestors from this area, they have been mostly for people born in the 18th and 19th centuries. Is my Simon Butler too far back for any hope of learning more about him? Are their church/parrish/ birth/cemetery records that far back, and how can I find them? Thanks for any help anyone can provide. Joycene Harwood http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My 6G Grandfather, Simon Butler (born between 1680 and 1692 in Wales), sailed to Pennsylvania in 1710. Although I have followed the family down to my 2G Grandmother (Pamelia Morris-plus), and know a lot about Simon Butler's accomplishments in Pennsylvania, I know little about the family in Wales. With Simon when he arrived from Wales were: Simon Butler's wife Ann Mathew Ann's father Anthony Mathew Simon Butler's sister Jane Butler Jane Butler's husband, Simon Mathew, who was also Anthony's son and Ann's brother That seems to be the consensus with regard to their relationships. They all came from the Carmarthenshire area, some possibly from Llangennech. It is said that they left Wales with another dozen or so people who were interested in starting a Baptist Church in Chalfont (at different times called Butler's Mill or Butler's Village), Pennsylvania, which they did. Although I have seen many posts about ancestors from this area, they have been mostly for people born in the 18th and 19th centuries. Is my Simon Butler too far back for any hope of learning more about him? Are their church/parrish/ birth/cemetery records that far back, and how can I find them? Thanks for any help anyone can provide. Joycene Harwood

Hi Pauline .Thankyou very much for taking the time to have a look for me. Very much appreciated. Regards Alun.

Hi Alun I can see them in 1841 and 1851 census.....John and children born in Abernant and Anna born in Trelech.... I do not have the baptisms for Abernant sorry...... I looked for a marriage between John Williams and Anna.....I cannot find one in either Abernant or Trelech for an Anna only this one 1827 25th December Abernant parish church John Williams and Anne Davies maybe it said Anna Davies and it was mis-transcribed as Anne....worth asking in Carmarthen archives if they would check for you.....no other information is given on these early marriages, excepting names of witnesses.... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <ALUN883@aol.com> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [CMN-L] Bryntirion ? > Hi Pauline Thankyou for showing an interest in my research.What I have is > 1841 HO 107/ 1383/ 6 > 1851 HO 107 /2474 and 1871 RG 10 / 5502. Hope this is the infirmation > which you require to assist me. Regards Alun. > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3049 - Release Date: 08/03/10 16:22:00

Hello Pauline I noticed in your reply the name Trelech, I am searching for an elusive Margaret. I have a John Davies and Margaret as the parents of a Benjamin Davies. On the 1861 census Margaret gives her place of birth as Cilrhedyn, on the 1871 she gives it as Trelech. The Margaret's I found marrying were Davies, Lewis and Hopkins. Margaret Davies was the daughter of John Davies and Sarah Thomas Margaret was born 1834 which is the correct age. Do you perhaps have any information on Margaret. Perhaps a marriage in Trelech etc. Thank you in Advance Bob

Hi everybody Can I repeat a request I made in January about one of my brick walls. My Grandmother, Elizabeth LEWIS was born about 1873 in Brynamman, Carmarthenshire. Her parents were David LEWIS and Ann GRIFFITHS who were married in Llandilofawr in 1871 Elizabeth married Roger JONES on 29 May 1892 in Llandebie, Carmarthenshire but so far I have not been able to trace Roger who was allegedly also born about 1873 He appeared on the 1901 as a Coal Miner/Hewer aged 27 living with his family at 13 Station Road, Llandebie. The 1911 however showed him as aged 39, a Coal Miner/Hewer living with his family at 49 Harold Road, Tirydail, Ammanford, Carmarthenshire. I have been told that Roger had a sister called Sarah Jane and brothers called Rees and Morgan but I have not been able to find them together on a Census. I have also been told that Roger was wounded in WW1 and that this left him with a shaking arm and head but I cannot find any trace of this either. Roger showed himself as aged 20 when he married Elizabeth in 1892 and stated that his father was also named Roger JONES. Anything you can do to help me find this side of my family would be appreciated. Best regards Peter Jones -----Original Message----- From: Peter Jones [mailto:peterjones550@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 January 2010 15:24 To: 'CARMARTHENSHIRE@rootsweb.com' Subject: Roger Jones Hi I wonder if someone can help me with my brick wall. I have taken my maternal grandfather back to 1690 but I just can't seem to make much headway with my paternal grandfather. His name is Roger JONES and when he married my Grandmother, Elizabeth LEWIS of Brynamman on 29 May 1892 in Llandebie, he was a Collier and allegedly aged 20 (ie born c1872). I say allegedly because whilst this ties in fairly well with the 1901 (aged 27) and very well with the 1911 (aged 39 born in the Rhondda, Glamorgan) I have not been able to find a suitable Roger born in Wales c1872? Nor have I been able to locate him on either the 1881 or the 1891. Strangely, I can't find any trace of his father either. He was also called Roger JONES and would have been born sometime before 1852. I have a note of my Grandfather's siblings from a deceased family member's memory but I know nothing more about them other than the fact that Sarah Jane JONES married a James POWELL. The other siblings are Rees and Morgan JONES. Roger JONES (c1872) was wounded in WW1 and he was left with a shaking arm and head as a result. He lived with his wife Elizabeth at 32 Harold St Tirydial, Ammanford until he died around about 1934. I can remember going to that house in the 1940's and being given some of the home made toffee that my grandmother always seemed to have available for us children. Grandmother Elizabeth was well known up and down the Valley for the home made ointments she used to sell. Her most famous one being the burn ointment she sold to the Tinplate and Iron Workers. Hence she was known as Mrs Jones Yr Eli, or Mrs Jones the Ointment. If anyone else knows about or is researching this family I would very much appreciate finding out something more about these grandparents. Peter Jones - now living in Hornchurch Essex

Hi Alun What census were you view in in 1841 etc....... thanks Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <ALUN883@aol.com> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 12:53 AM Subject: [CMN-L] Bryntirion ? > Looking for John Williams [carpenter] wife named Anna . Have found John > in 1841, 1851 and 1871 census . Aways living in Bryntirion ?[spelling hard > to decipher] born 1804 Abernant. Help required to locate John In the > 1861 > census , John is a widower in 1871 census. Thankyou. Alun. > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3049 - Release Date: 08/03/10 16:22:00

Hi Pauline Thankyou for showing an interest in my research.What I have is 1841 HO 107/ 1383/ 6 1851 HO 107 /2474 and 1871 RG 10 / 5502. Hope this is the infirmation which you require to assist me. Regards Alun.

Looking for John Williams [carpenter] wife named Anna . Have found John in 1841, 1851 and 1871 census . Aways living in Bryntirion ?[spelling hard to decipher] born 1804 Abernant. Help required to locate John In the 1861 census , John is a widower in 1871 census. Thankyou. Alun.

My apologies the births should be 1829 for Evan Davies and 1827 for Mary Williams. The rest of the message I believe to be correct.Thankyou. Alun..

Looking for please the birth of a Evan Davies 1838 ish father John Davies[weaver] also birth of Mary Williams 1836 ish father John Williams[carpenter] . Maybe in the parish records of Trelech a'r Bettws. The couple might even have been married there about 1852.Looking to establish if possible mothers christian and maiden names so as to locate the family in various census. Regards Alun.

Hi Elwyn have you had any replies to this query? hope you are well....also ask this question on the fhs list Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elwyn Schreuder" <e.schreuder7@chello.nl> To: <dyfed-L@rootsweb.com>; <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: [CMN-L] Reginald and Lesie Bowen > Hello list, > > > > Who knows Reginald Bowen, born 10-4-1900 Llanelli and his brother Leslie > Bowen, born 19-07-1906. > > Son of John Bowen and Mary Roberts. > > After the death of their mother in 1919, they possibly moved up to > Swansea. > > Could I look for electorial rolls or other documents to find them? > > > > Elwyn. > > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3010 - Release Date: 07/16/10 21:19:00

It's okay Greg, that is a message from another lister.... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "greg connell" <gconnell@ncable.net.au> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [CMN-L] unsubscribe >> i do not wish to unsubscribe >> >> http://www.free-genealogy-online.info >> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info >> Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... >> >> >> carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3010 - Release Date: 07/16/10 21:19:00

Karen to unsubscribe you need to send a message to carmarthenshire-request@rootsweb.com type unsubscribe in the subject column.... this time I will unsub you from the list, this is just to let others know...... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Reynolds" <kamp4@optusnet.com.au> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 2:49 PM Subject: [CMN-L] unsubscribe > > > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3008 - Release Date: 07/15/10 20:35:00

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Hello list, Who knows Reginald Bowen, born 10-4-1900 Llanelli and his brother Leslie Bowen, born 19-07-1906. Son of John Bowen and Mary Roberts. After the death of their mother in 1919, they possibly moved up to Swansea. Could I look for electorial rolls or other documents to find them? Elwyn.

Hi Mona Which Charles line are you seeking.......I have Charles in my tree via marriage, but a cousin I found from CFHS is a direct descendant of them......these were from Pembrey/Kidwelly..... thanks Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "mona everett" <mona_sydd_yma@yahoo.com> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [CMN-L] CHARLES-ROBERTS wedding record > Hello, Elwyn, > > I have Charles people from that area in my tree--do you have any more info > on > William or, esp., David and his wife? > > They would be cousins-in-law to me, so not a big deal if you don't. > > Thanks a lot. > > Mona >> >> Anybody interested in the marriage/record of William Charles, 23 in 1867, >> son of David Charles, colliery proprietor. >> >> He married Ann Roberts, 19, daughter of Thomas Roberts Felinfoel. >> >> >> >> Elwyn. >> >> http://www.free-genealogy-online.info >> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info >> Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... >> >> >> carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3008 - Release Date: 07/15/10 20:35:00

Hi, Pauline, The one I am looking for is Henry Charles, born 1808- 1813, based on US censuses. In 1860, he was enumerated as Andrew Charles, so he could he Henry or Andrew in Wales.  Wife, Mary, about 3 years younger. Immigrated to US between about 1846-1850. At least 3 older chldren were born in Wales: Robert, abt. 1841(?); Andrew, abt. 1844, Hannah, abt. 1847. Henry/Andrew Charles was a copper smelter man. Thanks, Mona ________________________________ From: UKGenealogy [Pauline] <genuk3@melita.com> To: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 2:06:12 AM Subject: Re: [CMN-L] CHARLES-ROBERTS wedding record Hi Mona Which Charles line are you seeking.......I have Charles in my tree via marriage, but a cousin I found from CFHS is a direct descendant of them......these were from Pembrey/Kidwelly..... thanks Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "mona everett" <mona_sydd_yma@yahoo.com> To: <carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [CMN-L] CHARLES-ROBERTS wedding record > Hello, Elwyn, > > I have Charles people from that area in my tree--do you have any more info > on > William or, esp., David and his wife? > > They would be cousins-in-law to me, so not a big deal if you don't. > > Thanks a lot. > > Mona >> >> Anybody interested in the marriage/record of William Charles, 23 in 1867, >> son of David Charles, colliery proprietor. >> >> He married Ann Roberts, 19, daughter of Thomas Roberts Felinfoel. >> >> >> >> Elwyn. >> >> http://www.free-genealogy-online.info >> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info >> Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... >> >> >> carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3008 - Release Date: 07/15/10 20:35:00 http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry but have no more details for you. Now that there are Charles members buried at Adulam cemetery Felinfoel. Elwyn. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:carmarthenshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] Namens mona everett Verzonden: donderdag 15 juli 2010 13:24 Aan: carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [CMN-L] CHARLES-ROBERTS wedding record Hello, Elwyn, I have Charles people from that area in my tree--do you have any more info on William or, esp., David and his wife?  They would be cousins-in-law to me, so not a big deal if you don't. Thanks a lot. Mona > > Anybody interested in the marriage/record of William Charles, 23 in 1867, > son of David Charles, colliery proprietor. > > He married Ann Roberts, 19, daughter of Thomas Roberts Felinfoel. > > > > Elwyn. > > http://www.free-genealogy-online.info > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info > Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... > > > carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://www.free-genealogy-online.info http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.info Welcome to Carmarthenshire Mailing List......... carmarthenshire@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARMARTHENSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Geen virus gevonden in het binnenkomende-bericht. Gecontroleerd door AVG - www.avg.com Versie: 8.5.441 / Virusdatabase: 271.1.1/3006 - datum van uitgifte: 07/15/10 02:26:00