Hi Gareth If you want parish register information you will have to view the parish registers when you visit Ceredigion....there are no available parish registers on line, the IGI index is not from the parish registers but from the Bishops Transcripts.......the Newcastle Emlyn registers though are housed in Carmarthen......although only a few miles apart the river passing through forms part of the boundary....... Will you have time to take off from your sailing trip? regards Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Howell" <gar@garethhowell.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:45 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Diolch yn fawr Pauline! > Annwyl Pauline, > > I am fairly sure that the next place to look is Capelisaf > Llechryd near St.David's, which is the name place for > William and Hannah Howell parents of Ebenezer. > > But no it is in Cardiganshire and is about 4 miles from Newcastle Emlyn > and 6 miles from Newquay. > > Curious thing is that my cousin who did the research (1924-1995) ....... > his children live in > Newcastle Emlyn....... and near Newquay! 200 years and more and they > have only moved > four miles!!! You have got to laugh! I'll be there in two weeks time > for the sailing! > > Elizabeth Howell is an international sailor and Richard son of James, son > of Richard, son of James > son of Eben, son of William Baptism records 1832 (Capelisaf Llechryd; > farmer) is at the local primary school > aged 5 years old and a delightful child, with an absolutely huge family on > his mother's side. > They are hoping for a pack of 8!!! > Are there available records now online before 1800 for the ordinary > parish? > I believe that they had been there for many generations, since before the > great plagues > so perhaps there is not much point. > > Richard 2000 James 1980 Richard 1925 James 1870 Eben 1832 William 1801 > all these approx > Direct line of a 5 year old Cardiganshire child today; two > surgeons/physicians among their number, > as there are two other surgeons named Howell in that area in the records I > have gone over. > > Hwyl, > Gareth Hughes Howell > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Dear Gareth Thank you for thanking myself and everyone else who has helped you.... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Howell" <gar@garethhowell.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:44 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Thank you Pauline > Thank you Pauline. I think I have got all that now. > It takes my father's family on both sides back to 1800 > and possibly beyond; which is quite an achievement > for about ten days work, and would take months > without the online records which get better by the day. > > I am fairly sure that the next place to look is Capelisaf > Llechryd near St.David's, which is the name place for > William and Hannah Howell parents of Ebenezer. > > It has been marvellous to pull together my own aural recollection of > what my Father told me over the years and a little bit from Aunty too, > added to the written records that are now available online. > They have fallen excellently into place. > It is highly amusing to remember how inaccurate or how accurate either my > recollections are, > or those of others compared with the record. > > What has been most interesting was my Vivian cousins saying to me at > auntie's > funeral that Brabazon was their family , which I though was ridiculously > pompous, > from a family living in Luton or MK. I have looked closely 15 years > later with so much more info > at my disposal, and find that every intimation is that William Henry > Vivian "gas fitter and plumber" > was in fact the half brother of John Henry Vivian and Richard Hussey > Vivian, sons of the founder and owners > of a number of smelting works. John Henry Vivian senior found a rough > diamond in the vicinity > and William Henry Vivian was the consequence. Henry Hussey Vivian (Lord > Truro) was the uncle of all > three of them, the brother of John Henry Vivian (1785-1855) > > They have many male offspring (my general interest) and plenty called > Vivian too in this generation. > > Now to make any more progress I shall have to go to the grave yard and > registries of Capelisaf Llechrydd > near St. Davids(?) before 1800 looking for Howell. > > My opinion is that the male line of Vivian is complete back to the 16th > century just by looking at the Vivian > history books! > > Kind Regards, > > gar > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >

Hi Sweltering Tom The only Hulen I have in 1851 is an Elizabeth Hulen a wid aged 66 late innkeeper born Covertry Warwicks mother in law to John Waddle aged 33 Iron founder and mother of Helen L Waddle 29 born Llanelly, they have 4 children and 2 servants....all born Llanelly......is this part of your family, if so I will give you the childrens names too.... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Price" <dvmathtchr@yahoo.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Spitty > Thanks Pauline. I had read it as Spilty, as it is written so only the > second T is crossed. If you wouldn't mind, I don't know where they were > living in 1851, just that they weren't in Gloucestershire. The name is > Hulin. Charlotte was my great grandmother and her parents were James and > Esther. James is back in Gloucestershire in 1861, Esther is dead and > Charlotte was married in Llanwonno. > > Thank you so much. > > Tom Price > Still sweltering in Pennsylvania > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hello Pauline - had a very long day yesterday looking after two of my grandchildren. They say it keeps you young - I think it just keeps you tired!! Thank you for all the emails and help ye

Thanks Pauline, but those are not mine. Apparently she wasn't there that long. I guess I will have to wait until the 1851 Census is indexed on Ancestry. Thank you so much for the help. It looks to be another day over 90 degrees here in Scranton, but at least the humidity broke. Thank God that libraries and such are air-conditioned. Tom Price

Sounds good Bill. Some of my brickwalls still there but just busted one this week. Perhaps a thread, Subject line, 'Brickwalls, please view' so that in Archives it could be easily and regularly picked out. Cheers, Sue in LLantrisant. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Taffywilliam@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Brickwalls > As one who have been on the site for several years its invigorating to > see > the excitement as listers zero in on their possilbe ancestors. Been > there, > done that and came away with valuable information from fellow listers.By > now > there must be a lot of long time listers who have hit that old brick wall > and > stay on board in hopes that new listers may provide some links to mutual > kin.Wouldnt it be a good idea if all those who are brickwalled repost > their > searches with available data. A way to simplify this would be to include > all > surnames in the Subject. Just a suggestion, Thanks for Listening. Bill > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.0/50 - Release Date: 16/07/2005 > >

Annwyl Pauline, I am fairly sure that the next place to look is Capelisaf Llechryd near St.David's, which is the name place for William and Hannah Howell parents of Ebenezer. But no it is in Cardiganshire and is about 4 miles from Newcastle Emlyn and 6 miles from Newquay. Curious thing is that my cousin who did the research (1924-1995) ....... his children live in Newcastle Emlyn....... and near Newquay! 200 years and more and they have only moved four miles!!! You have got to laugh! I'll be there in two weeks time for the sailing! Elizabeth Howell is an international sailor and Richard son of James, son of Richard, son of James son of Eben, son of William Baptism records 1832 (Capelisaf Llechryd; farmer) is at the local primary school aged 5 years old and a delightful child, with an absolutely huge family on his mother's side. They are hoping for a pack of 8!!! Are there available records now online before 1800 for the ordinary parish? I believe that they had been there for many generations, since before the great plagues so perhaps there is not much point. Richard 2000 James 1980 Richard 1925 James 1870 Eben 1832 William 1801 all these approx Direct line of a 5 year old Cardiganshire child today; two surgeons/physicians among their number, as there are two other surgeons named Howell in that area in the records I have gone over. Hwyl, Gareth Hughes Howell

As one who have been on the site for several years its invigorating to see the excitement as listers zero in on their possilbe ancestors. Been there, done that and came away with valuable information from fellow listers.By now there must be a lot of long time listers who have hit that old brick wall and stay on board in hopes that new listers may provide some links to mutual kin.Wouldnt it be a good idea if all those who are brickwalled repost their searches with available data. A way to simplify this would be to include all surnames in the Subject. Just a suggestion, Thanks for Listening. Bill

Thank you Pauline. I think I have got all that now. It takes my father's family on both sides back to 1800 and possibly beyond; which is quite an achievement for about ten days work, and would take months without the online records which get better by the day. I am fairly sure that the next place to look is Capelisaf Llechryd near St.David's, which is the name place for William and Hannah Howell parents of Ebenezer. It has been marvellous to pull together my own aural recollection of what my Father told me over the years and a little bit from Aunty too, added to the written records that are now available online. They have fallen excellently into place. It is highly amusing to remember how inaccurate or how accurate either my recollections are, or those of others compared with the record. What has been most interesting was my Vivian cousins saying to me at auntie's funeral that Brabazon was their family , which I though was ridiculously pompous, from a family living in Luton or MK. I have looked closely 15 years later with so much more info at my disposal, and find that every intimation is that William Henry Vivian "gas fitter and plumber" was in fact the half brother of John Henry Vivian and Richard Hussey Vivian, sons of the founder and owners of a number of smelting works. John Henry Vivian senior found a rough diamond in the vicinity and William Henry Vivian was the consequence. Henry Hussey Vivian (Lord Truro) was the uncle of all three of them, the brother of John Henry Vivian (1785-1855) They have many male offspring (my general interest) and plenty called Vivian too in this generation. Now to make any more progress I shall have to go to the grave yard and registries of Capelisaf Llechrydd near St. Davids(?) before 1800 looking for Howell. My opinion is that the male line of Vivian is complete back to the 16th century just by looking at the Vivian history books! Kind Regards, gar

Hi Pauline, Cannot find them in 1871. Yes, also I tried Robert and Roberts. Think records are incomplete. Margaret is in 1851 census with her parents. Also in 1861 census. Hope something will pop up. Elwyn. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@onvol.net] Verzonden: dinsdag 19 juli 2005 8:46 Aan: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: Re: [Cmn-L] FW: Margaret Morgan Hi Elwyn Did the register office use Robert as well as Roberts....perhaps the 's' was not used at that time, try again and see..... Have you checked the 1871 census to locate her with her husband at that time, or have you purchased a birth certificate for one of the children to know the husbands name, be much easier to locate a marriage? I know that you have her in 1851...... regards Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Schreuder" <e.schreuder7@chello.nl> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 10:51 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] FW: Margaret Morgan > > > > > _____ > > Van: E. Schreuder [mailto:e.schreuder7@chello.nl] > Verzonden: woensdag 13 juli 2005 9:46 > Aan: 'CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com' > Onderwerp: Margaret Morgan > > > > Who can help me with my search for Margaret Morgan ( nee Roberts), born > 1843/1844, daugther of David and Mary Robert. > > Found her in 1881 census at Ynys, the place where her parents also lived > up > to 1866. > > Margaret Morgan was mentioned as widow and mother of 6 children. > > Mary Jane, 15, Elisabeth 12, Isaac, 10, David 6,Margaret ann, 4 and > William > 2. > > Margaret Roberts must have married her husband ( ??? ) at Adulam Chapel > near > 1865. > > Record office could not find a marriage record nore death-record of > Margaret. > > > > Elwyn - Netherlands. > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk

Diana, that should read David William 30 copperman, not John william......it was definately 30 though!1 Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: JW senior > Hi Diana > > Witnesses were either family or friends......same as today probably....... > I looked for Daniel Fisher in 1851 he is a maried man 53 a collier born > Kidwelly, his wife is Margaret born Llanon, children from 19 down to 8 all > born Llanelly......it was not a second marriage as I have them married in > Llanelly parish church on 18th June 1824 Daniel Fisher to Margaret > Jones.......they lived in Pantyffynon, haven't we come across that address > before, are you keeping the emails? > > I looked in 1841 for you Westfa 10 page 2, not sure of the address looked > like Ayganfach it was in Felinfoel, then spelt Velinvoel.. > John William 55 collier born in county yes > John William 30 copperman yes > Ann William 7 yes > Thomas William 90 yes > > these could be brothers looking after their elderly father? Were Margaret > Hannah and John close to these? > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:52 AM > Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: JW senior > > >> Morning Pauline - forgot to say that Richard Griffiths signed his name >> whereas it was the mark of Daniel Fisher on Margaret William and John >> Hopkin marriage. >> >> In you experience who normally were the witnesses? I had not thought >> about it before but on the marriage certificate of John Williams aged >> 21 (1835) on 12th October 1855 to Margaret Davies b 1835 there are four >> witnesses. Daniel Davies father of Margaret is one so that one is fine. >> John W senior is obviously deceased so the other witnesses were Thomas >> Richard and James D Thomas. Perhaps I should try and find them on the >> 51 and 41 censuses as per Margaret William's witnesses which I think may >> have been a relative of some kind but I cannot work out what at the >> moment - unless of course Margaret, John and Hannah's mother remarried to >> Daniel Fisher who was in Adulam Row by 1851. I cannot find Richard >> Griffiths on the 51 or 41 census. >> >> The JW aged 55 with the very elderly relatives in the 1841 census Westfa >> 10 page 2 was not there in the 1851 census - what did you think of that >> one. Perhaps they needed looking after so Margaret was left to look >> after the other children??? >> >> I would value your thoughts on all my ramblings! >> >> best wishes >> Diana >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hi Diana Witnesses were either family or friends......same as today probably....... I looked for Daniel Fisher in 1851 he is a maried man 53 a collier born Kidwelly, his wife is Margaret born Llanon, children from 19 down to 8 all born Llanelly......it was not a second marriage as I have them married in Llanelly parish church on 18th June 1824 Daniel Fisher to Margaret Jones.......they lived in Pantyffynon, haven't we come across that address before, are you keeping the emails? I looked in 1841 for you Westfa 10 page 2, not sure of the address looked like Ayganfach it was in Felinfoel, then spelt Velinvoel.. John William 55 collier born in county yes John William 30 copperman yes Ann William 7 yes Thomas William 90 yes these could be brothers looking after their elderly father? Were Margaret Hannah and John close to these? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:52 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: JW senior > Morning Pauline - forgot to say that Richard Griffiths signed his name > whereas it was the mark of Daniel Fisher on Margaret William and John > Hopkin marriage. > > In you experience who normally were the witnesses? I had not thought > about it before but on the marriage certificate of John Williams aged 21 > (1835) on 12th October 1855 to Margaret Davies b 1835 there are four > witnesses. Daniel Davies father of Margaret is one so that one is fine. > John W senior is obviously deceased so the other witnesses were Thomas > Richard and James D Thomas. Perhaps I should try and find them on the 51 > and 41 censuses as per Margaret William's witnesses which I think may have > been a relative of some kind but I cannot work out what at the moment - > unless of course Margaret, John and Hannah's mother remarried to Daniel > Fisher who was in Adulam Row by 1851. I cannot find Richard Griffiths on > the 51 or 41 census. > > The JW aged 55 with the very elderly relatives in the 1841 census Westfa > 10 page 2 was not there in the 1851 census - what did you think of that > one. Perhaps they needed looking after so Margaret was left to look after > the other children??? > > I would value your thoughts on all my ramblings! > > best wishes > Diana > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Elwyn Did the register office use Robert as well as Roberts....perhaps the 's' was not used at that time, try again and see..... Have you checked the 1871 census to locate her with her husband at that time, or have you purchased a birth certificate for one of the children to know the husbands name, be much easier to locate a marriage? I know that you have her in 1851...... regards Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Schreuder" <e.schreuder7@chello.nl> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 10:51 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] FW: Margaret Morgan > > > > > _____ > > Van: E. Schreuder [mailto:e.schreuder7@chello.nl] > Verzonden: woensdag 13 juli 2005 9:46 > Aan: 'CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com' > Onderwerp: Margaret Morgan > > > > Who can help me with my search for Margaret Morgan ( nee Roberts), born > 1843/1844, daugther of David and Mary Robert. > > Found her in 1881 census at Ynys, the place where her parents also lived > up > to 1866. > > Margaret Morgan was mentioned as widow and mother of 6 children. > > Mary Jane, 15, Elisabeth 12, Isaac, 10, David 6,Margaret ann, 4 and > William > 2. > > Margaret Roberts must have married her husband ( ??? ) at Adulam Chapel > near > 1865. > > Record office could not find a marriage record nore death-record of > Margaret. > > > > Elwyn - Netherlands. > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Morning Pauline - forgot to say that Richard Griffiths signed his name whereas it was the mark of Daniel Fisher on Margaret William and John Hopkin marriage. In you experience who normally were the witnesses? I had not thought about it before but on the marriage certificate of John Williams aged 21 (1835) on 12th October 1855 to Margaret Davies b 1835 there are four witnesses. Daniel Davies father of Margaret is one so that one is fine. John W senior is obviously deceased so the other witnesses were Thomas Richard and James D Thomas. Perhaps I should try and find them on the 51 and 41 censuses as per Margaret William's witnesses which I think may have been a relative of some kind but I cannot work out what at the moment - unless of course Margaret, John and Hannah's mother remarried to Daniel Fisher who was in Adulam Row by 1851. I cannot find Richard Griffiths on the 51 or 41 census. The JW aged 55 with the very elderly relatives in the 1841 census Westfa 10 page 2 was not there in the 1851 census - what did you think of that one. Perhaps they needed looking after so Margaret was left to look after the other children??? I would value your thoughts on all my ramblings! best wishes Diana

Thanks Pauline. I had read it as Spilty, as it is written so only the second T is crossed. If you wouldn't mind, I don't know where they were living in 1851, just that they weren't in Gloucestershire. The name is Hulin. Charlotte was my great grandmother and her parents were James and Esther. James is back in Gloucestershire in 1861, Esther is dead and Charlotte was married in Llanwonno. Thank you so much. Tom Price Still sweltering in Pennsylvania

_____ Van: E. Schreuder [mailto:e.schreuder7@chello.nl] Verzonden: woensdag 13 juli 2005 9:46 Aan: 'CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com' Onderwerp: Margaret Morgan Who can help me with my search for Margaret Morgan ( nee Roberts), born 1843/1844, daugther of David and Mary Robert. Found her in 1881 census at Ynys, the place where her parents also lived up to 1866. Margaret Morgan was mentioned as widow and mother of 6 children. Mary Jane, 15, Elisabeth 12, Isaac, 10, David 6,Margaret ann, 4 and William 2. Margaret Roberts must have married her husband ( ??? ) at Adulam Chapel near 1865. Record office could not find a marriage record nore death-record of Margaret. Elwyn - Netherlands.

Hi Tom It should read Spitty......it is an area of Llanelly which is close to the River Loughor........once crossing the bridge from Spitty to Loughor you are then in Glamorganshire.... I have an index of 1851 Carms if you wish a look up from that area.... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Price" <dvmathtchr@yahoo.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Place name > Greetings all from sweltering Pennsylvania. A few weeks ago I wrote and > asked (and received) help on deciphering a place name on the 1861 Census. > I had located my 2nd great grandparents and could not read the place name > for my great grandmother which was in Carmarthen. It turned out to be > Loughor. I sent for her birth certificate which I finally (after about 10 > years) found under her mother's maiden name, and a year later than > thought. The certificate arrived in the mail today and once again I am > having trouble with the place name. It says that she was born in Spilty > (?), Llanelly. Does anyone know if Spilty (if that is what it actually > is) is a street, a section of town or whatever? Any help would be > appreciated. Thank you again in advance. > > Tom Price > Scranton, Pennsylvania, USA > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Who can help? Am looking for birthrecord of Thomas Thomas, possibly born between 1818 and 1821. Was in 1841 census at Blaenpant, landygwydd as farm-servant. In 1851 still there as footman. Possibly born in Llanwino at Pantyrdry fach. Elwyn - Netherlands.

Hi All I know you are helpful on this list, but there are some things I cannot get help with on other lists. I would love to know the date of death of my Uncle Bertie Valentine GODWIN, he died about 1965> in Lydney (Pillowell) Gloucestershire. I have had my free trial time up on Ancestry.com. I found so many of my mother's and father's families, but I forgot about my Uncle Bert. I haven't subscribed to Ancestry.com, I filled it all in today, agaaaaaaaaain, but had a little doubt, so stopped the subscription. Can someone please tell me if it is worth me subscribing? I do need help when it comes to this sort of thing. On the trial period I found an Uncle who died in 2002 on Ancestry.com, it was a surprise as I didn't know where he was living with his wife, his name was Thomas Trevor BOND who was born 14 January 1911 in Rhondda Cynon Taff, but was living in Colbridge Cottage, 3 Ebdon Road, Worle, Weston-super-Mare when he died. He was the husband of my father's sister Phyllis Irene Bond nee Watts, she was born 21 July 1912 in Cardiff, Glamorgan and died in Frome, Somerset on 25 May 1999. I was testing to find family I hadn't heard about since before my parents died. If someone could help me I would be very grateful. Kind Regards Shirley Cornwall

Hi, I'm new to the list and live in Queensland, Australia. Access to data about people and places in Carmarthenshire is very limited and I hope listers may be able to help me trace my Welsh ancestors. According to information recently obtained Margaret and Thomas EDMUNDS resided in 'Lakes Cottage', Laugharne, Carmarthenshire about 1820 when my g,g,grandfather Charles EDMUNDS was born. His brother James Thomas EDMUNDS was born about 1824 at ' The Butts' at Laugharne. I believe there was an elder brother Edmund but have no information on him other than he resided in Newport in the 1840's. It was said he was a Miller and Merchant and I do know he had a business supplying goods to miners I hope someone can help me with information about this family. Thank you Ray Edmunds