Diana 161/46 1e Llanelly Marblehall Joseph Thomas head 45 coalminer born Llanelly Jane Thomas wife 46 born Llanelly David Thomas son 21 coalminer Llanelly Benjmain son 11 Llanelly Elizabeth dau 9 Mary Ann dau 5 Evan son 3 Joseph son 6 mth hope this sheds some light....Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Jane Thomas nee William > Hello Pauline - would you be kind enough to do another 1851 transcription > to add to all the others please!? This one is Jane Thomas at Llanelly 1 > e 161 Marble Hall. > > Diana > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hi Pauline, Thank you for your early response to my inquiry. I appreciate your offer to check the 1851 census index, but I have found he was living in England in 1851. Thank you, again. Regards, Jane in Cal.

Good morning Pauline Please would you be kind enough to let me have the full transcription of 1851 census for Thomas Richard born Llanelly living at Gladven Llanelly 3c page 2. William Banks born Llanelly living at Bryncoch 3a BerwickLoughor 1 Llanelly Thank you for all you do Diana Thomas Samuel born Llandilo Talybont living at Twyn Llanelly 2d and 3b

Hi Pauline Doing Admin sesssion . Don't think I thanked you for Looking for Mary Thomas . Will have another look at dates. Many thanks . Cheers, Sue in LLantrisant ************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] MARY THOMAS LLANDOWROR 1851 > Sue, she is not in Llanddowror in 1851, so possibly not born, the only > Mary Thomas is Llanddowror is an 8 year old.... > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Harvey" <pippyx@tiscali.co.uk> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 9:31 PM > Subject: [Cmn-L] MARY THOMAS LLANDOWROR 1851 > > >> Hi , >> Could SKS find anything about Mary Thomas born LLandowror 1851+/-1. >> She left Carmarthen in 1870 and gone with Rchel Lewis on her marriage >> to Glamorgan where she is recorded as a servant.in 1871 and 1881 >> There may be a relationship with Rachel Lewis. >> It is possible that she is part of the Lewis Household in 1861 >> Any help will be really appreciated. >> Cheers >> Sue in LLantrisant. >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.5/58 - Release Date: 25/07/2005 > >

Hello Pauline - would you be kind enough to do another 1851 transcription to add to all the others please!? This one is Jane Thomas at Llanelly 1 e 161 Marble Hall. Diana

Hi Jane You would have to trawl through the census returns, as 1841 has not been indexed... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Phillips" <rojaphsmca@webtv.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:48 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: CARMARTHENSHIRE-D Digest V05 #251 > Hi Pauline, > Thank you for your early response to my inquiry about WILLIAM EDWARDS. > I have just located him on the 1851 census in England, but he may be > listed on the 1841 census in Llanelli. How would I find out if he were > listed on the 1841 census? > Again, many thanks. > Regards, > Jane in Cal. > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hi Pauline - I am happy to do this if I know a rough area to search in. Diana

John GRIFFITHS (my gggrandfather) was born in about 1796. In 1841 Census he was living with David LODWIG age 80 on the LODWIG farm, Wainifor, Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire. John GRIFFITHS and his wife Sarah THOMAS-GRIFFITHS who marry in 7 August 1835 live on the farm the rest of their lives. Their children; Elisabeth, David, Evan and John were born on the farm. In the 1861 Census, is the last time that John GRIFFITHS is listed in the census. In 1881 Census, Sarah THOMAS-GRIFFITHS age 71, is living with her grand daughter, Jane GRIFFITHS age 19. on the Wainifor Farm. Any help with this family or the farm will be greatly appreciated. Mabel Lewis-Goehring from Kansas USA

Thank you Adrian - that makes sense now! Diana

Hello Diana You are correct. Prior to 1752(?) October was the eighth month of the year. The name is from the Latin word for eight. Adrian Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 29 July 2005 16:05 Subject: [Cmn-L] Latin baptismal entries > Hello Bob and Dorothy - thank you for the suggestions - I think that the October one is more likely looking at it again under the magnifying glass it does perhaps look more like 8ber and going on the rest of the copy of entry. > > Thank you for your help > > Diana

Hello everyone - Is anyone chasing families named Richard , Banks and Samuel from mostly around the Felin foel area of Llanelly. Although there is a William Banks living a Bryncoch Berwick Loughor 1 Llanelly in 1851. The Thomas Samuel I have gives his birth as Llandilo Talybont on marriage in 1836 and Llannon in the 1861 census with best wishes Diana

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Any help would be appreciate in learning more about the ancestors of my gggrandparents John LEWIS, and Mary and Sarah THOMAS who were born in Abergwilly, Carmarthanshire. Sarah THOMAS (my gggrandmother) born in Abergwilli born about 1810 married John GRIFFITHS of Llanarthney, Carmarthanshire and lived in Llanarthney area. In the 1841 census, John and Sarah were living with David LODWIG who is 80 years old on the LODWIG farm In the 1851, 1861, 1871, 1881 Census, Sarah THOMAS and John GRIFFITHS continue to live on the LODWIG farm with their children, Elizabeth, David, Evan, John. This son, my ggrandfather John GRIFFITHS married Eliza EDWARDS in Merthyr Tydfil (John and his brother, David, went probably to work in coal and iron industry) My grandmother, Sarah GRIFFITHS was born in Merthyr Tydfil in 1853 before the family came to USA. John LEWIS born about 1796 married Mary THOMAS born in Abergwilly Rachel, William, Isaac and Mary. Their son William LEWIS married Elizabeth MORGANS in Vaynor Church. and came to USA in 1854. His sisters and spouses came in 1853 and 1854. Rachel and husband David MOSES, Mary and husband _____ WILLIAMS Mabel Lewis-Goehring from KANSAS, USA

_____ Van: E. Schreuder [mailto:e.schreuder7@chello.nl] Verzonden: maandag 18 juli 2005 16:20 Aan: 'CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com' Onderwerp: looking for birth Thomas Thomas Who can help? Am looking for birthrecord of Thomas Thomas, possibly born between 1818 and 1821. Was in 1841 census at Blaenpant, landygwydd as farm-servant. In 1851 still there as footman. Possibly born in Llanwino at Pantyrdry fach. Elwyn - Netherlands.

Hello Bob - well I did not know that!! So thank you it does seem to be October 1739. I only wish my William family would have been so easy to find as my other side - the Arthur family from Abergwilli!! with best wishes Diana

I'm finding it difficult to track John down with any degree of certainty in the earlier censuses. John is my GGG-grandfather he had a son called George. Here's what I know about them running back in time from the 1871 census. In 1871 an 83 year old John is living with George (a 45 year old tailor) and George's family at 8 St. Peter St., Carmarthen. John is shown as having been born in Carmarthen and George is from Abergwili. In 1868 John is described as a farmer on George's marriage certificate. The 1861 census shows John aged 73 living with an unmarried George aged 36 at the Glangwilly Gate House in Abergwili. George is a tailor and toll collector and John's occupation is shown as "profit of lease of Bar" (I think). John's birthplace is now Llanewydd (Newchurch). Now here's where thinks get a bit iffy. In 1851 a 25 year old George, a tailor born in Abergwilly, is to be found on Priory St., Carmarthen, visiting a Susan(?) THOMAS (a 47 year old grocer and something dealer) and her 15 year old daughter Margaret. I also find one John DAVIES, a 62 year old farmer living at Ffynhonlas in Abergwilly with wife Ann (58), and sons David (23) and William (17). John's birthplace has now changed to Abergwilly. Now these are the only farmer John and tailor George of the right ages that I can find in the Carmarthen and Abergwilly census returns. In 1841 I have John (50), again at Ffynnonlas. His family is Ann (45), John (20), Ann (22), David (13), George (10), William (7). Everything fits nicely except for John's place of birth which shifts like Pendine Sands and George's age in 1841. What makes his age all the more wrong is that he should be older than David and therefore they are out of order with what I would expect. I tried looking forward for another match for farmer John in 1861 but without success. I also scanned for another George who might be the right age or a taior's apprentice, again with no luck. I've also looked (online as I'm in Canada) for George's baptism with no real luck). 1. Is anyone researching this same line of the DAVIES family from Abergwili who would like to share information? 2. Anyone got any suggestions as to where I should look next? Thanks, Bob Nepean, Ontario, Canada

Hello Bob and Dorothy - thank you for the suggestions - I think that the October one is more likely looking at it again under the magnifying glass it does perhaps look more like 8ber and going on the rest of the copy of entry. Thank you for your help Diana

Hello everyone - does anyone know their Latin better than I do! I have today received a copy of the entry of birth of one of my direct antecedents and the date on it looks like ' 28 dio (day) 8bug!! ' anno domini 1739. thanks Diana

----- Original Message ----- From: <Alyherb@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 11:51 AM > Hello from a new lister. I am looking for the descendants of the > siblings > of Nathaniel SKYRME, son of James Skyrme (a farmer) & Eliza (nee > Scourfield). > He was born at Manorbier, Pembrokeshire in 1845, but everything suggests > that his parents are the same James & Eliza that appear in 1861 & 1871 at > Llangan and Llanfihangel, Abercywyn. Siblings would therefore be John, > Elizabeth, > Anne, James, Louisa, Francis and Thomas. Only Thomas was born in > Carmarthenshire, the remainder in Pembrokeshire. > > Also, can SKS with local knowledge confirm some spellings/locations. The > name of the farm was Pantefinon or Pantolfion, at Abercywyn or Abercowin. > Can't > read the 1861 and 1871 census images very well. > > Lastly, either James SKYRME (b. abt 1823) or one of his sons was said to > have been a JP in Carmarthen. Can anyone confirm this from a trade > directory > around 1871-1881? > > Many thanks, Alyson in Essex. > >

One also has to bear in mind that in 1739 the year started in late March, not January first as we do today. Therefore October really was the 8th month. -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy Walker [mailto:walker@gulftel.com] Sent: July 29, 2005 10:47 AM To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Latin entries in baptismal books Could be the 8 is for the 8th month. bug is puzzling but could be meant to represent August. Just a thought. Dorothy ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk