Hi Sandie, I have a book (in Welsh ... :-) ) on the history of Capel Als. If you like, I'll search the book for references to the Hopkins family in the time period you mentioned and translate appropriate sections. I am traveling right now so it may be a week or so before I can get anything to you! My Joseph ancestors were married in Capel Als. Regards, Jim Joseph Monument, colorado, USA Hi List I have been subscribed for awhile but have had my searching on the back burner due to summer. I wonder if anyone knows if there is a web site for pictures in Llanelly of Al Capal(I think that is the correct spelling) My grandmother Elizabeth Coomey(nee Hopkins) and her family attended this church in the early 1900's and I have been told my great grandparents and one of her children are buried there. I just wondered if there is any info on this church on the web. Thank you for any help Sandie Searching: Coomey, Hopkins, Davies

Loud and clear in Cornwall, England. Shirley

Glyn..Loud and clear in the States.. Bill

Hi Helen just a quick word.....Conwil Caio is not missing for 1861 in the old box system in Carmarthen record office (since changed) it was in Box 5.....so you should be able to locate them....... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <HMC001@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Birth Lookup Please > Hi Pat, > > Thanks for the reply. You have the right entry in 1881. It's the one in > the middle, living at Glanrhyd. It only shows her grandfather. I know > this is > 100% because I've just returned from Caio and I managed to find a 3rd > cousin!!!! I visited the house and the lady who know owns was really > sweet. The one > on the 1881 is my relative Elizabeth. That is her grandfather. > However,...............this is the problem. The lodger 'John Davies' is > later put down > in 1891 census as living next door at Pantglas and as her 'father' also > put > down on her marriage certificate. Now I know that lodger can also mean a > relative. However, when I went to get a birth certificate for 1874 (this > is 100% > correct also) I found her grave - the registry kindly advised me that > there > was only one Elizabeth Davies with father John and although I purchased, > it's > the other one on your list - not mine. I've been advised by family > members > that she was illigitamate but having difficulty. My partner thought > chase > the mother as the same name as her i.e, Elizabeth - 2 reasons, one it was > common to be called after your mother and second some relatives thought > her mother > was also called relative - but these are all hearsay/guesses. I then > decided to trace Benjamin (grandfather) to see if that would shed any > light - he > had 3 daughter, Margaret, Mary and Elizabeth - on one census it should > the > other child on the 1881 Census (Thomas) living with them with a sister > MaryAnn. > But because 1861 is missing, I can't marry up. > > Can you see my problem? Pain isn't it? > > Regards > > Helen > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Just testing. Suspect that my messages still not getting through. Glyn Williams Auckland

Hello Shirley, I have looked for your Bertie Valentine Godwin in the Ancestry.com site but can only find his birth data ie Birth reg June quarter 1897 Newport M vol 11a Pg 261. I don't know if that helps any, but its the only thing I could find for him. Sorry! Cheers Sian W. Jones ________________________________________________________________ Sent via Aserty Enhanced Internet Services, Visit us at http://WWW.ASERTY.COM

Glyn when did you last send a message......did you see the message from Pat that was headed 'for Glyn Williams'.......that was posted on the 9th.. Try again sometimes if there is a problem the mailing is sent to myself (as list admin), but I have not seen any from you that has not made the list..... If you can read this but not answer come to myself direct and we'll try to sort it out.. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glyn Williams" <glyn.w@xtra.co.nz> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Testing > Just testing. Suspect that my messages still not getting through. > > Glyn Williams > Auckland > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Glyn Hi, Reading your test mails. If you continue too have a problem I am happy to re type your mail and send on. Some times the ISP you use is rejected by the addressee.Tiscai is always refused by my son's ISP. Another problem can be the use of an innocent word or phrase the mail scanner dislikes , However 'Testing 'should get through. .Cheers , Sue in LLantrisant. ***************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glyn Williams" <glyn.w@xtra.co.nz> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 10:37 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Testing > Just testing. Suspect that my messages still not getting through. > > Glyn Williams > Auckland > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.5/67 - Release Date: 09/08/2005 > >

Hi Pauline, I'm no longer in Caio, only popped down 3 weeks ago, whilst on hols. Would you no if a) anyone has a lookup for 1861 or b) i need to contact archives at carmarthernshire? Regards Helen

I hear you loud and clear Glyn Diana

Hi Pat, Thanks for the reply. You have the right entry in 1881. It's the one in the middle, living at Glanrhyd. It only shows her grandfather. I know this is 100% because I've just returned from Caio and I managed to find a 3rd cousin!!!! I visited the house and the lady who know owns was really sweet. The one on the 1881 is my relative Elizabeth. That is her grandfather. However,...............this is the problem. The lodger 'John Davies' is later put down in 1891 census as living next door at Pantglas and as her 'father' also put down on her marriage certificate. Now I know that lodger can also mean a relative. However, when I went to get a birth certificate for 1874 (this is 100% correct also) I found her grave - the registry kindly advised me that there was only one Elizabeth Davies with father John and although I purchased, it's the other one on your list - not mine. I've been advised by family members that she was illigitamate but having difficulty. My partner thought chase the mother as the same name as her i.e, Elizabeth - 2 reasons, one it was common to be called after your mother and second some relatives thought her mother was also called relative - but these are all hearsay/guesses. I then decided to trace Benjamin (grandfather) to see if that would shed any light - he had 3 daughter, Margaret, Mary and Elizabeth - on one census it should the other child on the 1881 Census (Thomas) living with them with a sister MaryAnn. But because 1861 is missing, I can't marry up. Can you see my problem? Pain isn't it? Regards Helen

Hello Pauline, Thanks for reply. Yes I have them her on 1901 (married), 1891 and 1881. The trouble is she is with a grandfather and grandmother on 1881. The problem is this : on 1881 there also shows another child (since chased and not a sibling, probably a cousin) and then a lodger. This lodger is then shown on the 1891 living with her next door to the grandfather and put down as 'father'. The same name is put down on her marriage certificate. However, although I've since found that 'lodger' could also be a relative, this man is the same age as the grandfather, and when I searched for a certificate with that name as the father, I got only one certificate that wasnt correct. I was advised by the registry office that that was the only one with that father's name and it was from a family I rechecked on the 1881 Census. You can see my problem. Helen

Helen have you found them in 1881.......you only need the mothers first name hopefully to get you started......were they all from Carmarthenshire? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <HMC001@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Birth Lookup Please > Hi Pauline, > > I have tried to get a certificate, but there are 9 Elizabeth Davies born > in > 1874. They kindly said there was one with father John Davies, but upon > getting - not mine! > > Without knowing for sure the parents, it is difficult to get the > certificate > - and Im certainly not purchasing the further 8 on a hope. > > Any ideas? > > Regards > > Helen > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hello Helen What clues do you have for the parents? You did suggest John and Elizabeth - but didn't give the source for this. Could one of these be your Elizabeth in 1881? Dwelling: Gellinewydd Census Place: Conwil Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342298 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5386 Folio 55 Page 15 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Elizabeth DAVIES M 33 F Llanddew, Cardigan, Wales Rel: Wife Head Occ: Husband In Glamorganshire Of 5 Acres Farmers Wife & Labourer Rachel DAVIES 9 F Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Elizabeth DAVIES 6 F Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Mary DAVIES 3 F Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Daur John DAVIES 11 m M Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Son Dwelling: Glanrhyd Census Place: Conwil Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342298 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5386 Folio 64 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Benjamin DAVIES M 57 M Pencarreg, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Farm Labourer Mary DAVIES M 62 F Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Labourers Wife Thomas DAVIES 13 M Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: G Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth DAVIES 7 F Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: G Daur Occ: Scholar John DAVIES U 58 M Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Lodger Occ: Farm Labourer and if here parents were not John and Elizabeth :- Dwelling: Crugbar Shop Census Place: Conwil Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342298 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5386 Folio 4 Page 2 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas DAVIES M 36 M Newcastle Emlyn, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Grocer Letticia DAVIES M 33 F Llansawel, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Grocer Wife John DAVIES 11 M Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Schoolar Samuel DAVIES 9 M Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Son Occ: Schoolar Elizabeth M. DAVIES 8 F Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Schoolar Ann DAVIES 7 F Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Daur Occ: Schoolar Elizabeth DAVIES 17 F Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Serv Occ: Grocer Servant Cheers Pat In message <19d.39935c60.302ba416@aol.com>, HMC001@aol.com writes >Hi Pauline, > >I have tried to get a certificate, but there are 9 Elizabeth Davies born in >1874. They kindly said there was one with father John Davies, but upon >getting - not mine! > >Without knowing for sure the parents, it is difficult to get the certificate >- and Im certainly not purchasing the further 8 on a hope. > >Any ideas? > >Regards > >Helen > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > -- Pat Powell

Hi Sandie Check out our images on our web pages at http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk follow the links for Llanelly the Chapel is Capel Als The burial stones are now laying flat as they have been removed from the burial ground.....they are used as paving stones around the chapel...... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandie Guthrie" <sandieg@telusplanet.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:50 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Al Capal,Llanelly > Hi List > > I have been subscribed for awhile but have had my searching on the back > burner due to summer. I wonder if anyone knows if there is a web site for > pictures in Llanelly of Al Capal(I think that is the correct spelling) > > My grandmother Elizabeth Coomey(nee Hopkins) and her family attended this > church in the early 1900's and I have been told my great grandparents and > one of her children are buried there. > > I just wondered if there is any info on this church on the web. > > > > Thank you for any help > > Sandie > > Searching: Coomey, Hopkins, Davies > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Through here Shirley Cornwall

Helen Perhaps the registrationdistrict was Llandeilo fawr....... If you query with the Registry office - which Carmarthen is the one now for the area ask them if they have the information and if they would verify for you.....their email address is Registrars@carmarthenshire.gov.uk Pauline - now catching up on some mail that has not been answered... ----- Original Message ----- From: <HMC001@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Help Required >I wonder if SKS could help me. I have got the exact death details of a > relative. However, > upon looking up on 1837 online for the index number, I am not sure. The > reason being...... > the gravestone says John Davies, Pantglas, Aberdare, Cwrtycadno, yn > Cwmcoeddifor, Llansawel died aged 74 on 24th March, 1897. > > Query : I can only find one entry for the age "74" but the place stated is > Llandilofawr? Are these places very near, and could this be the right > entry I > am looking for to match details above? There is no other exact match of > name and age at death. > > Many thanks for ideas. > > Regards > > Helen > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Helen Looked in Conwil Caio pre 1875 and there is not an Elizabeth Davies in that era in the parish church......have you tried the registry office for her birth... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <HMC001@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:51 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] Birth Lookup Please > Can SKS please help me. I am trying to find birth records for an > Elizabeth > Davies born 1874 in Caio/Cwrtycadno. > > Her parents will be possibly mother Elizabeth Davies and father possibly > John Davies. Is it possible for someone to give me a list of any info > matching > any or all the info above. > > Many thanks. > > Regards > > Helen > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hi Pauline, I have tried to get a certificate, but there are 9 Elizabeth Davies born in 1874. They kindly said there was one with father John Davies, but upon getting - not mine! Without knowing for sure the parents, it is difficult to get the certificate - and Im certainly not purchasing the further 8 on a hope. Any ideas? Regards Helen

Thank you Pauline, I'll try that. Regards Helen