Has anyone 1891 Census return for Carmarthenshire? If so, would you be willing to lookup the following for me. Thank you. Place : CwmcoldIvor, Llansawel.(Think this might be Talley, Llandilofawr) Person : John Davies, age 68 Regards Helen

Hello, I am new to the list so I hope my request is completely appropriate. I have traced my family back to a man named Morgan Morgan whose birth date is about the year 1760 and whose birth place is Llanfynudd, Carmarthen. I have found a Morgan Morgan who filed a will in Carmarthen in 1822 which could possibly be his, but I have nothing else to go on. First, does anybody have any other information on Morgan Morgan? Can anyone confirm that this will is indeed filed by the Morgan Morgan I described above? Thank you, Michael

It is a pleasure Helen - so many people have helped me!! Diana

If I haven't already done so, can I say a big thank you to Diana for all her help. Very kind of you - and exhaustive work you did on my behalf. I am grateful to you. If I can be of any help back, please let me know. Regards Helen

Thankyou Pauline for the look up.it was quite exciting as I had heard tell of a great Auntie Rach and the shop connection! Many thanks Jeni ~Crede Byron~ -> > >> > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.15/81 - Release Date: 24/08/2005

Hi Jeni I have them in 1851.....few siblings here!! HO107/2474 enu dist 5b Abernant parish 1851 census sch 2 page 1 Shop Benjamin Jones head marr 31 farmer 8 ac born Abernant Annah Jones wife marr 31 born Mydrim Rachel Jones dau 11 scholar born Abernant Anne Jones dau 9 scholar Abernant Mary Jones dau 6 Abernant David Jones son 2 Abernant hope this helps......I only have an index for this one...Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Molyneux" <lower.house@btinternet.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 10:13 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] abernant look up > Dear Listers, >> I hope I have subscribed correctly this time..please bear with me..... > > >> I am wondering if SKP has access to one of the following >> censuses for Carmarthen? 1891 and/ 1871 I am trying to follow up info >> which I have found on the 1881 census..... >> >> My great-great grandparents I have as follows in 1881... >> ............................................... >> >> Benjamin Jones M 61 Abernant,Carmarthen farmer of 42 acres >> Hannah Jones W 61 Mydrim Carmarthen >> William Jones son 19 Abernant >> Benjamin Daniels grandson 13 Abernant >> >> >> I feel that they will have been in Abernant for some time >> possibly with older siblings for William?! > thankyou > > Jeni ~Crede Byron~ > > > Jeni ~Crede Byron~ > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005 > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Dear Listers, > I hope I have subscribed correctly this time..please bear with me..... > I am wondering if SKP has access to one of the following > censuses for Carmarthen? 1891 and/ 1871 I am trying to follow up info > which I have found on the 1881 census..... > > My great-great grandparents I have as follows in 1881... > ............................................... > > Benjamin Jones M 61 Abernant,Carmarthen farmer of 42 acres > Hannah Jones W 61 Mydrim Carmarthen > William Jones son 19 Abernant > Benjamin Daniels grandson 13 Abernant > > > I feel that they will have been in Abernant for some time > possibly with older siblings for William?! thankyou Jeni ~Crede Byron~ Jeni ~Crede Byron~ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.13/78 - Release Date: 19/08/2005

Hi Helen Not sure of the answer to your question, but each child even if a twin would have their own birth certificate... Where did it take place, if Carmarthenshire I am sure they would check for you.....unsure about other registry offices though..... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <HMC001@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:20 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] twins > > Wondered if anyone knew........if twins are registered at birth, do they > have separeate GRO indexes? On the off chance, I've looked up both names > (boy > and a girl) and have found both same month/year with same index no. Do > you > think it is possible an error or that I have the twins? > > Thanks > > Helen > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Marilyn, I get doubles because I am subscribed in two email addresses.......I'll look at yours and see if I can find anything...... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "woodworker" <woodworker21@cox.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:54 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] Doubles and Triples > Just as of a little while ago, I am getting doubles and triples of e-mails > to the List. At first I thought it was just the same member and that > perhaps they had somehow sent the same e-mail twice. But in looking down > through the last dozen or so, I got doubles and triples from another > Lister or two, and from Pauline! Is anyone else experiencing this > "phenomenon"? > > Marilyn > #3601 > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Hi Pauline, Yes, Carmarthenshire, although they put Caio on Census returns the same no. I found through 1837online was Lampeter, which I believe is Ceredigon? Would you mean asking registrars at Carmarthenshire Record Office? Thanks Helen

Getting doubles, I agree

Just as of a little while ago, I am getting doubles and triples of e-mails to the List. At first I thought it was just the same member and that perhaps they had somehow sent the same e-mail twice. But in looking down through the last dozen or so, I got doubles and triples from another Lister or two, and from Pauline! Is anyone else experiencing this "phenomenon"? Marilyn #3601

Wondered if anyone knew........if twins are registered at birth, do they have separeate GRO indexes? On the off chance, I've looked up both names (boy and a girl) and have found both same month/year with same index no. Do you think it is possible an error or that I have the twins? Thanks Helen

Hello, Pat, Thank you for your quick response to my inquiry. Seems as if I have come up against a brickwall in this search. Would you have any suggestions as to where I may try for more information? Thank you, again, for all the help you have given me. Regards, Jane in Cal.

Hello Jane I'm afraid I do not have an index for 1841 Monmouthshire/Breconshire. Pat In message <29361-4308ED94-468@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net>, Roger Phillips <rojaphsmca@webtv.net> writes >Hello, Pat, >Thank you for your early reply to my inquiry. Yes, the 1851 census >lists "Llanelly, Glamorgan" as the birthplace of William Edwards on Feb. >27, 1817. >Since there is no Llanelli in Glamorgan, would you mind checking the >1841 census for the Monmouthshire/Breconshire Llanelli, and let me know >what you find there? I will greatly appreciate this and I thank you for >all you do to help all of us. >Regards, >Jane in Cal. > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > -- Pat Powell

Hello Jan - I recently went to Llanelli Breconshire. It is a tiny place just up the hill at the back of Llanwenarth Mons in the Breconshire beacon area. There are about 4 houses and a church there nowadays but it has never been very big. I have one side of my family who were saddlers and farmers from there. Diana

Hello Helen What makes you think that the John Davies, lodger in 1881 census is the same John Davies who is Elizabeth's father? The name and occupation are such common ones that they could be completely different people. Even if he was just a lodger the reporting of his death by Elizabeth's husband in a small community shouldn't be too unusual. If you can't find Elizabeth's birth certificate, have you tried the parish registers for her baptism? Regards Liz -----Original Message----- From: HMC001@aol.com [mailto:HMC001@aol.com] Sent: 20 August 2005 17:29 To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Needing Help & Inspiration!! This is going to be a long email.............but I badly need help, guidance, inspiration from all that have been doing this family genealogy longer than me, more likely! OK, firstly I'm trying to find ancestors from my great grandmother. I know she was born 1874 (Elizabeth Davies), in Caio. I recently visited and found her gravestone. However, having died in early 30's getting the certificate will not show birth dates, because I've learnt they were not put down until the late 60's. I know when she married (have certificate). Found her on 1881 Census - this is when the trouble begins. I give it at end of this long note..(bare with me, I'm desperate!). It states that she is granddaughter of head of household. Have researched grandparents. All I can find from census is that the grandparents had 3 daughters and 1 son. On the 1881 Census, it also shows a lodger namely a John Davies. However, I found his gravestone on my recent trip and got his death certificate, and it showed that my Elizabeth's husband was at the death?! She also put this man (John) as her father on her marriage certificate. However, on researching him, he always stayed single, no news on any marriage, and my query is...if he is the father, how come he is very similar in age to the grandfather, as portrayed on 1881 Census??? I thought, ok perhaps he's a brother - but I can't marry them up - the Benjamin was away by 1841 and I cannot place him with John's family, and secondly, why is it put down on 1881 Census that she is the granddaughter of the head of the household, if a) it wasn't true and b) the lodger was later put down on records as the father????? The 1881 Census is correct, on my trip I found a cousin I didn't know I had! He confirmed. I understand you don't always take Census as gospel, but which should I follow - the possibility that John is the father, or rather that Benjamin is the grandfather?????? How are the two men related to Elizabeth???? Last year, I contacted the registry office in Carmarthenshire - they were very helpful, when I tried to find a certificate with John the father and no name for mother, they sent me the only certificate with father John and it was the wrong one! Any advice warmly appreciated. Researcher beginning to pull hair out!! Many thanks Helen Here is 1881 Entry: Dwelling: Glanrhyd Census Place: Conwil Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Source: FHL Film 1342298 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5386 Folio 64 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Benjamin DAVIES M 57 M Pencarreg, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Head Occ: Farm Labourer Mary DAVIES M 62 F Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Wife Occ: Labourers Wife Thomas DAVIES 13 M Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: G Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth DAVIES 7 F Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: G Daur Occ: Scholar John DAVIES U 58 M Cayo, Carmarthen, Wales Rel: Lodger Occ: Farm Labourer ______________________________

Hello, Pat, Thank you for your early reply to my inquiry. Yes, the 1851 census lists "Llanelly, Glamorgan" as the birthplace of William Edwards on Feb. 27, 1817. Since there is no Llanelli in Glamorgan, would you mind checking the 1841 census for the Monmouthshire/Breconshire Llanelli, and let me know what you find there? I will greatly appreciate this and I thank you for all you do to help all of us. Regards, Jane in Cal.

Pauline, Thank you for your mail.I am going on holiday for three weeks and I do not want to receive mail during that period.How do I cancel. Sorry to cause a problem David

Helen, perhaps they do not tie up, perhaps he was a lodger or a best friend or a cousin.......did not have to be brothers.......have you checked 1841 census?? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <HMC001@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Needing Help & Inspiration!! > Hi Pauline, > > Thanks for your reply. > > I attached 1881 to end of original email. If you want again, please say. > > All that you give is all that I have found on Census so far - same ones. > Can't see how Benjamin and John tie up though. > > > Look forward to hearing from you. > > Regards > > Helen > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >