Thankyou Pauline. Is it only the Record Office that would have St Elli baptisms for c.1836. They only seem available up to 1832 I'm interested in a Thomas Jenkins, s/o William Jenkins & Ann Thomas, bn c.1836 Regards Peter

Hi Diana Thanks for the reply Are all the occurrences of Ebenezer Morris in your records for the same church? If so which church? Regards Peter

Hi All Does anyone know if there is a way to establish at which church a particular Vicar was officiating.? I have a marriage entry dated 1835 performed in "the parish of Llanelly". The Vicar was an Ebenezer Morris. The parish of Llanelly appears to be extensive, was there any sister churches of St Elli's (particularly in the Glyn Hamlet area) or would one have to travel to St Elli's church ? Peter

Hello Jane - my email to your offline address has been returned for some reason. Here it is again Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: diana murray To: rojaphsmca@webtv.net Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 6:58 AM Subject: William Edwards Hello Jane - I have done quite a bit of Llanelli 1841 census transciption now. I only have Borough left - though that is about as much again as it is a big district. I have only found about two people with the surname Edwards but no William of any age. I will keep looking for you and obviously let you know if I do or do not find him. It would be helpful if you have a suggested profession for him. Where is Cinderford? Do you have any wife or children's names? best wishes Diana

Hello Pauline, Thank you for your reply, and offer to look for Joseph MORRIS in the 1851 census. At the time of the 1861 census Joseph's age is enumerated as 26 yrs. His age is given as 35 yrs in the 1871 census. By the time of the 1881 census his wife, Mary, is a Widow. There is an entry on free BMD for a Joseph MORRIS died Sept. Qtr 1872 aged 37 yrs. I have not checked this out yet but I think he will be mine. Many thanks, Willie.

Hello list, I would like to thank the fellow listers who answered my queries regarding "Seaside", and the occupation of Joseph MORRIS. Your replies have helped me confirm I have the correct birth certificate of my Gr.Grandfather Thomas MORRIS. Many thanks, Willie.

Hi Peter Apology accepted.........the topic could have snow-balled out of control......will be part of 'history' in a hundred years maybe!!! Pauline James List Admin Carmarthenshire-L ----- Original Message ----- From: <Peterjnks@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: AN APOLOGY > Hi Listers > This morning I posted a copy of an e-mail I received from a friend > concerning the cost of petrol in the UK. > I have been reprimanded by the "Admin" of another List I belong to. > I think I owe you all a sincere apology for misusing the list. It won't > happen again > Regards > Peter > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Willie, do you have Joseph Morris from 1851 census, if not, give me the age you have for him from 1861 and I can look for you...... The Seaside area of Llanelli has changed so much, buildings have gone and been replaced mainly by roads.....the area around Siloah has altered too. My grandfather and family were from Seaside.....and were of Siloah.....surname Harvey and Thomas, but the Thomas's were from Aberdaron North Wales...so not there until the 1870's. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <willie.morris@tiscali.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:10 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Thomas MORRIS (Llanelly) > Hello list, > >>From the census information I received (from the list), after my previous > query regarding my Gr.Grandfather Thomas MORRIS. I applied to Llanelli > Registrar Office and obtained his birth certificate. > Llanelli Registrars are highly commended for their prompt service. I > posted my application on the Wednesday morning and received my certificate > on Saturday morning. > > Thomas MORRIS was born 10th May 1861, his parents were Joseph MORRIS & > Mary THOMAS. > > On the 1861 census (7th April), Joseph & Mary were living "near Siloah > Chapel"? Llanelly. > On the birth certificate the address is "Seaside, Llanelly". Are these > addresses the same place or in the same locality? > > On the birth certificate the occupation of Joseph is "Calcinerman at a > Lead Works", would this be the same occupation as Lead Smelter, as given > in the census? > > I would be very grateful for any information. > > > Many thanks, > > Willie MORRIS > N.E. England > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hi Listers This morning I posted a copy of an e-mail I received from a friend concerning the cost of petrol in the UK. I have been reprimanded by the "Admin" of another List I belong to. I think I owe you all a sincere apology for misusing the list. It won't happen again Regards Peter

Hi All All listers who live in the UK may be interested in this e-mail which I received from a friend regarding the price of petrol. It's an idea that might even work regards Peter > We are hitting 95p a litre in some areas now, soon we will be faced with > paying £1 a ltr. Philip Hollsworth offered this good idea: This makes > MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy petrol on a certain day" campaign > that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed > at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to hurt ourselves by > refusing to buy petrol. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it > was a problem for them. > > BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can > really work. Please read it and join in! Now that the oil companies and > the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre > is CHEAP, We need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS > control the market place not sellers. With the price of petrol going up > more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are > going to see the price of petrol come down is if we hit someone in the > pocket by not purchasing their Petrol! And we can do that WITHOUT > hurting ourselves. Here's the idea: > > For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY petrol from the two > biggest oil companies (which now are one), ESSO and BP. If they are not > selling any petrol, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If > they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. > But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Esso and > BP petrol buyers. It's really simple to do!! Now, don't wimp out on me > at this point... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach > millions of people!! > > I am sending this note to a lot of people. If each of you send it to at > least ten more (30 x 10 = 300)...and those 300 send it to at least ten > more (300 x 10 = 3,000) ... and so on, by the time the message reaches > the sixth generation of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION > consumers! If those three million get excited and pass this on to ten > friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it > goes one level further, you guessed it.....THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! > > Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (and > not buy at ESSO/BP) How long would all that take? If each of us sends > this email out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 > MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! > I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you! > Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, > please pass this message on. PLEASE HOLD OUT UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR > PRICES TO THE 69p a LITRE RANGE. It's easy to make this happen. Just > forward this email, and buy your petrol at Shell, Asda, Tesco, > Sainsburys, Morrisons, Jet etc. i.e. boycott BP and Esso. > > POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!

Hello Willie Yes. Siloah Chapel is in Seaside district. Cheers Pat In message <005201c5ad9e$ec7b9fd0$93eb2a50@williegndk4wl3>, willie.morris@tiscali.co.uk writes >Hello list, > >>From the census information I received (from the list), after my previous >query regarding my Gr.Grandfather Thomas MORRIS. I applied to Llanelli >Registrar Office and obtained his birth certificate. >Llanelli Registrars are highly commended for their prompt service. I posted >my application on the Wednesday morning and received my certificate on >Saturday morning. > >Thomas MORRIS was born 10th May 1861, his parents were Joseph MORRIS & Mary >THOMAS. > >On the 1861 census (7th April), Joseph & Mary were living "near Siloah >Chapel"? Llanelly. >On the birth certificate the address is "Seaside, Llanelly". Are these >addresses the same place or in the same locality? > >On the birth certificate the occupation of Joseph is "Calcinerman at a Lead >Works", would this be the same occupation as Lead Smelter, as given in the >census? > >I would be very grateful for any information. > > >Many thanks, > >Willie MORRIS >N.E. England > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > -- Pat Powell

The address of Siloah is Glanmor Road, Seaside, Llanelli: so yes as far as Seaside is concerned. Occupations are the same, birth cert is more specific about the job undertaken in the Lead Smelter plant. My record for a birth cert is from Carmarthen RO: mailed cheque and letter day1 and got cert in post day3; Llanelli is usually day 4 or 5 as they post second class and take credit card details over the phone! Rhodri -----Original Message----- From: willie.morris@tiscali.co.uk [mailto:willie.morris@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 30 August 2005 21:10 To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Cmn-L] Thomas MORRIS (Llanelly) Hello list, >From the census information I received (from the list), after my previous query regarding my Gr.Grandfather Thomas MORRIS. I applied to Llanelli Registrar Office and obtained his birth certificate. Llanelli Registrars are highly commended for their prompt service. I posted my application on the Wednesday morning and received my certificate on Saturday morning. Thomas MORRIS was born 10th May 1861, his parents were Joseph MORRIS & Mary THOMAS. On the 1861 census (7th April), Joseph & Mary were living "near Siloah Chapel"? Llanelly. On the birth certificate the address is "Seaside, Llanelly". Are these addresses the same place or in the same locality? On the birth certificate the occupation of Joseph is "Calcinerman at a Lead Works", would this be the same occupation as Lead Smelter, as given in the census? I would be very grateful for any information. Many thanks, Willie MORRIS N.E. England ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/84 - Release Date: 29/08/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.17/84 - Release Date: 29/08/2005 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if this message has not been received by the intended recipient; please delete it from your system and inform: mailmaster@rhod.net thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hello list, From the census information I received (from the list), after my previous query regarding my Gr.Grandfather Thomas MORRIS. I applied to Llanelli Registrar Office and obtained his birth certificate. Llanelli Registrars are highly commended for their prompt service. I posted my application on the Wednesday morning and received my certificate on Saturday morning. Thomas MORRIS was born 10th May 1861, his parents were Joseph MORRIS & Mary THOMAS. On the 1861 census (7th April), Joseph & Mary were living "near Siloah Chapel"? Llanelly. On the birth certificate the address is "Seaside, Llanelly". Are these addresses the same place or in the same locality? On the birth certificate the occupation of Joseph is "Calcinerman at a Lead Works", would this be the same occupation as Lead Smelter, as given in the census? I would be very grateful for any information. Many thanks, Willie MORRIS N.E. England

Hello Dave - thanks for the email - yes they are the names of either two different farms or the same one - I am hoping it is the later as I can put together a better story if it is!! Diana

Hi Pauline and Diane I know that "sydyn" simply means "sudden" in Welsh but I can find no reference in the dictionary to Syddyn or Sylen unless it's an anglicised place / proper name of some sort. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Syddyn/Sylen > Thanks Pauline - I have not so far come across a Sylen in transcribing the > 1841 census unless it is in the later part of Borough > > Diana > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list > > >

Hi Diana.....I am sure that Sylen is a welsh name too, so would not be another name for Syddyn........unless someone else has a different idea? This list has been very quiet over the weekend, must be due to the bank holiday.... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 7:41 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] Syddyn/Sylen > Hi everyone - does any one know if the welsh word Syddyn could possibly > have been spelt Sylen in English! > > Thanks > Diana > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Thanks Pauline - I have not so far come across a Sylen in transcribing the 1841 census unless it is in the later part of Borough Diana

Hi everyone - does any one know if the welsh word Syddyn could possibly have been spelt Sylen in English! Thanks Diana

Hi Michael To check if a will is the correct one, the abstracts are in Carmarthen record office......or other record offices that cover St Davids Diocese........or, you could contact Carmarthen record office giving them the name and will number ......is it from our will index or the NLW......as they do differ, we indexed ours from the LDS...... Or, you could send for the actual will from the NLW....do you have any other information on Morgan Morgan.....name of wife, children etc....?? No matter how little it may count....as most indexes that we have do not begin until 1813....excepting the bigger parishes of Carmarthen Llanelli etc.. I have transcripts of other parishes but no Llanddeusant that early.. let us know what info you have Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Bailey" <mike@mikebailey.org> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Morgan Morgan > Hello, > > I am new to the list so I hope my request is completely appropriate. I > have > traced my family back to a man named Morgan Morgan whose birth date is > about > the year 1760 and whose birth place is Llanfynudd, Carmarthen. I have > found > a Morgan Morgan who filed a will in Carmarthen in 1822 which could > possibly > be his, but I have nothing else to go on. > > First, does anybody have any other information on Morgan Morgan? Can > anyone > confirm that this will is indeed filed by the Morgan Morgan I described > above? > > Thank you, > > Michael > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Forget that last request, I'm going cuckcoo! Unless you can tell me what that place was i.e., farm/old people's home. Sorry