Thank you very much Pat. Yet again I can't believe everybody's helpfulness. John Dawson Sutton Coldfield

Hi JOhn I have given you a few details off list......if anyone else is following this family I will put the information here. Cannot find a relevant marriage though!! Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stickwagger@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 8:51 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] GRIFFITHS of Laugharne > Pauline > > I would be very grateful for any information on Walter and Elizabeth > GRIFFITH if you come across them in the parish records. As Martha SMITH > their > daughter appears on the 1881 census at Amber Hill near Boston, Lincs. > Presumably > her husband found his way from Lincolnshire to Laugharne by boat. > > > Kind regards > > John Dawson > Sutton Coldfield > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Hello, Diana, Thank you for all the research you do on my behalf. This is the information that I have from the 1851 census of Cinderford, Gloucestershire, England: William Edwards, age 34, Blacksmith, Llanethly - wife, Eliza, Claxhill - Mary, 3, Cinderford - William, l, Cinderford. In comparing the 1851 and 1861 censuses, the 1861 census lists William Edwards 1817, Llanelity, Glamorgan, Wales. Is Llanelity a different location than Llanethly, or would this be just a mis-spelling? Hoping this additional information will be of some help. Many thanks, again. Regards, Jane in Cal.

Thank you very much Pauline. I will follow that up. Peter

Pauline I would be very grateful for any information on Walter and Elizabeth GRIFFITH if you come across them in the parish records. As Martha SMITH their daughter appears on the 1881 census at Amber Hill near Boston, Lincs. Presumably her husband found his way from Lincolnshire to Laugharne by boat. Kind regards John Dawson Sutton Coldfield

I am seeking any information on Jennet David who lived in Llanelli about 1810. She was probably born in or around Llanelli sometime between 1780 and 1790. She had one son, David Walters, in 1810 in Llanelli. He seems to have been born out of wedlock and the father was Thomas Walters. I have no further information about her and would welcome any clues.

Hello Pauline, That was a quick reply. If it is not too much trouble, I would appreciate the full entry. Mary THOMAS was aged 35 yrs in the 1861 census. Thank you, Willie.

Hi Willie In 1841 Joseph was 6 years old, he also had an older brother David who was not at home in 1851 although the parents ages here are 35 we know they rounded them down, but they were still out by quite a few years, and yes, it is the same family.... - if you want the full entry let me know..... How old was Mary Thomas in 1861 so that perhaps I can find her in 1851 as there are lots of Mary Thomas's there......I have a lodger named David Thomas in 1851 aged 68, so perhaps he was not belonging but always a lodger, he was a widower..... I cannot find a relevant marriage for Joseph Morris and Elizabeth in Carmarthenshire marriages to 1837.... I'll see what else I can find......Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <willie.morris@tiscali.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: Joseph Morris Llanelly > Hello Pauline, > > Thank you once again for your reply, > > Yes, my Joseph MORRIS does state Llanelly as his birthplace. His wife Mary > also gives her birthplace as Llanelly. On my Gr. Grandfather's birth > certificate, her surname is given as THOMAS. > > As yet I have not found a marriage for Joseph and Mary, and I do not know > the name of Joseph's father. > > On the 1861 census Joseph and Mary (sounds Biblical) have a David THOMAS > living with them, he is enumerated as a Boarder, Widower, aged 78 yrs, > Dock > Labourer, born Llanelly. Could this be Mary's father? If so, why not > enumerated as father in law? > > Once again, many thanks, > > Willie. > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Hi Peter The record office Carmarthen has baptisms for Llanelly St Elli baptisms: 1684-1923 marriages: 1684-1971 burials: 1684-1930 I have indexed Llanelly for all three from 1684 but baptisms I gave up at 1832, burials 1847 (although plan to go further) and the marriages to 1837 Hope this helps.......I have indexed 1851 census if that is any help to you?? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <Peterjnks@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: CLERGYMEN > Thankyou Pauline. > Is it only the Record Office that would have St Elli baptisms for c.1836. > They only seem available up to 1832 > I'm interested in a Thomas Jenkins, s/o William Jenkins & Ann Thomas, bn > c.1836 > Regards > Peter > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hello Pauline, Thank you once again for your reply, Yes, my Joseph MORRIS does state Llanelly as his birthplace. His wife Mary also gives her birthplace as Llanelly. On my Gr. Grandfather's birth certificate, her surname is given as THOMAS. As yet I have not found a marriage for Joseph and Mary, and I do not know the name of Joseph's father. On the 1861 census Joseph and Mary (sounds Biblical) have a David THOMAS living with them, he is enumerated as a Boarder, Widower, aged 78 yrs, Dock Labourer, born Llanelly. Could this be Mary's father? If so, why not enumerated as father in law? Once again, many thanks, Willie.

Hi Peter In 1835 Llanelly St Elli was the only parish church of Llanelly parish..........even Glyn hamlet Llanelly, but Glyn hamlet is in quite a few parishes bordering Llanelly.....but, if it stated Llanelly it will be St Elli....and yes they would have had to travel there Ebenezer Morris......ah yes....!! Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <Peterjnks@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:03 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: CLERGYMEN > Hi All > Does anyone know if there is a way to establish at which church a > particular > Vicar was officiating.? > I have a marriage entry dated 1835 performed in "the parish of Llanelly". > The Vicar was an Ebenezer Morris. The parish of Llanelly appears to be > extensive, was there any sister churches of St Elli's (particularly in the > Glyn > Hamlet area) or would one have to travel to St Elli's church ? > Peter > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Diana, we have a member of the CFHS who is a descendant of Ebenezer Morris.......he could tell you even more stories!! Hi Ken....!! Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: CLERGYMEN > Hi Peter - all for St. Eli's - Pauline can tell you a few stories about > Ebenezer Morris!! > > Diana > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Peter - all for St. Eli's - Pauline can tell you a few stories about Ebenezer Morris!! Diana

Ah Peter - Ebenezer Morris - he is everywhere on my family documents! Diana

Pat, that fits beautifully! Although was the wedding in Laugharne or Lincolnshire? Kind Regards John Dawson

hello Peter Hello i am from Argentina and i am looging for the brothers of my gggfather Aaron Jenkins who was emigrate to Argentina in 1865 in the mimosa boat . of all brothers i could to find one of them in Ohio and i coyld constuct his family Tree almost until the present time , being able to make contact whit enemy whit somebody of the family,but single by first time,surely they do not have the enthusiasm . I COULD NOT OBTAIN ANY DATA THAT COULD HELP ME, The NAME OF THIS BROTHER WAS LLEWELLYN JENKINS BORN IN 1841. ANOTHER BROTHER WHICH I COULD FIND REQUESTING THE DEATH CERTIFICATE WAS MILES JENKINS, THAT ITS DEATH WAS REGISTERED BY MY GGGFATHER AARON JENKINS IN 1859. To CONTINUATION I TRANSCRIBE To HIM THE LAST CENSUS Of YEAR 1851 AND 1861, PERHAPS YOU CAN HELP me, IF YOU ARE SO AMIABLE. -- 2456 1851 CENSUS OF PENTYRCH PARISH (GWAELOD-Y-GARTH). REF.H.O.107/2456, E.D.5B. Piece: 2456 Folio: 237 Schedule: 100 Address: NEAR COLLIERS ARMS JENKINS JOHN HD M 50 AG.LAB. GLA BONVILSTON (c1801) THE FATHER I COULD FIND IT IN OHIO JENKINS RACHEL WI M 46 - GLA ST.FAGANS (c1805) THE MOTHER I COULD FIND IT IN OHIO JENKINS MILES SO U 24 IRON MINER GLA ST.FAGANS (c1827) THIS BROTHER I CAN TO FIND JENKINS MIRIAM DA U 22 DRESSMAKER GLA ST.FAGANS (c1829) I WANTED TO FIND IT, I COULD THAT SHE IS THE MOTHER DE JOHN DAVIES, A GRANDSON WHO APPEARS IN THE 1861 CENSUS, BUT NOT LIKE FINDING OUT IT. JENKINS AARON SO U 20 IRON MINER GLA ST.FAGANS (c1831) this is my great great grandfather JENKINS RICHARD SO - 14 IRON MINER GLA ST.FAGANS (c1837) I WANTED TO FIND IT JENKINS JOHN SO - 12 IRON MINER GLA ST.FAGANS (c1839) I WANTED TO FIND IT JENKINS LLEWELLYN SO - 10 IRON MINER GLA ST.FAGANS (c1841) . I was find in Ohio I COULD FIND IT IN OHIO JENKINS RACHEL DA - 7 SCHOLAR GLA ST.FAGANS (c1844) I WANTED TO FIND IT 1861 CENSUS OF TROEDYRHIW UPPER DISTRICT. REF.R.G.9/4055, E.D.24 Piece: 4055 Folio: 017 Schedule: 153 Address: 5 JONES STREET JENKINS JOHN HD M 60 OSTLER GLA - (c1801) JENKINS RACHEL WI M 56 - GLA - (c1805) JENKINS JOHN SO U 22 COAL MINER GLA ST. FAGANS (c1839) JENKINS LLEWELYN SO U 20 COAL HAULIER GLA ST. FAGANS (c1841) JENKINS RACHEL DA U 17 DRESSMAKER GLA ST. FAGANS (c1844) DAVIES JOHN Grandson 2 - GLA ST. FAGANS (c1859) I WANTED TO FIND IT IN THE CENSUS OF YEAR 1841 I HAVE TO MARY JENKINS, THIS PERSONS I HAVENT IN THE CENSUS OF YEAR 1851 AND 1861, I WANTED TO FIND IT. THANK YOU Fede FROM ARGENTINA. Peterjnks@aol.com escribió: Thankyou Pauline. Is it only the Record Office that would have St Elli baptisms for c.1836. They only seem available up to 1832 I'm interested in a Thomas Jenkins, s/o William Jenkins & Ann Thomas, bn c.1836 Regards Peter ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk achamfe@yahoo.com.ar --------------------------------- 1GB gratis, Antivirus y Antispam Correo Yahoo!, el mejor correo web del mundo Abrí tu cuenta aquí

John, I have looked through Laugharne baptisms from 1801 to 1812 there was only the one Martha Griffith/s....lots of Martha's but she was the only one with the surname Griffith Laugharne parish church baptisms 1810 29th March - Martha Griffith dau Walter and Elizabeth born 2nd March could this be her...... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:28 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] Fw: (Griffiths from Laugharne) > forwarded for John .. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Stickwagger@aol.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:48 PM > Subject: Subscribe (Griffiths from Laugharne) > > >> Subscribe please. >> >> Does anybody have any access to any records for Laugharne please? I have >> a >> Martha GRIFFITHS born 1804/5 in Laugharne. As Martha SMITH in >> Lincolnshire she >> is referred to on her daughter's birth certificate as Martha GRIFFES. On >> the >> 1861 census, Laugharne is mentioned as her place of birth. >> >> John Dawson >> Sutton Coldfield >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hi Willie Did Joseph say born Llanelly in 1861.....if so this could be him...do you have a marriage certificate for him stating fathers name.....would help. Llanelly 1851 census enu dist 1a sch 28 page 7 Copperworks Barracks John Morris head marr 56 copperman born Llanelly Elizabeth Morris wife marr 58 born Llanelly William son 23 copperman Peter son 21 copperman Elizabeth dau 17 house servant Joseph son 15 dock lab all born Llanelly if this is them I will have the marriage in my index......or there is a Joseph aged 14 243 Heolfawr Llanelly 1851 father David 37 silver refiner, wife Ann 39, Joseph 14, Hannah 11, William 9 and John L 1 year old..... let me know and I'll get back to you Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <willie.morris@tiscali.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 1:00 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] > Hello Pauline, > > Thank you for your reply, and offer to look for Joseph MORRIS in the 1851 > census. > > At the time of the 1861 census Joseph's age is enumerated as 26 yrs. His > age is given as 35 yrs in the 1871 census. By the time of the 1881 census > his wife, Mary, is a Widow. > > There is an entry on free BMD for a Joseph MORRIS died Sept. Qtr 1872 aged > 37 yrs. I have not checked this out yet but I think he will be mine. > > Many thanks, > > Willie. > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hello John There is a marriage in Laugharne of a Martha Griffiths to Edward Smith Silk Willowby Lincs. on 12th Sept 1832. Does this fit with your information? Cheers Pat In message <001c01c5aec6$d10c2980$6602a8c0@carmarthen>, Pauline James <paulinejames@onvol.net> writes >forwarded for John .. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Stickwagger@aol.com> >To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:48 PM >Subject: Subscribe (Griffiths from Laugharne) > > >> Subscribe please. >> >> Does anybody have any access to any records for Laugharne please? I have a >> Martha GRIFFITHS born 1804/5 in Laugharne. As Martha SMITH in Lincolnshire >> she >> is referred to on her daughter's birth certificate as Martha GRIFFES. On >> the >> 1861 census, Laugharne is mentioned as her place of birth. >> >> John Dawson >> Sutton Coldfield >> > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research questions >& Quiries. >http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > -- Pat Powell

forwarded for John .. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stickwagger@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: Subscribe (Griffiths from Laugharne) > Subscribe please. > > Does anybody have any access to any records for Laugharne please? I have a > Martha GRIFFITHS born 1804/5 in Laugharne. As Martha SMITH in Lincolnshire > she > is referred to on her daughter's birth certificate as Martha GRIFFES. On > the > 1861 census, Laugharne is mentioned as her place of birth. > > John Dawson > Sutton Coldfield >