Hi Pauline, No I don't have any CDs sorry ,but I would love to do Llanfynydd if possible, Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census > > >> Hi Jan >> >> Thanks for the offer, there are not many left, do you have any census CD >> of ours for 1841? The only ones left now are.... >> >> Meidrim, Llanfihangel Abercowin, Llandilo Abercowin, Llangathen,, >> Llanfynydd (big one) Llanllwni Llanybydder and Llanycrwys >> >> We just cannot believe how members have rallied around to do this 1841 >> census......lots are finished the rest being done as we speak...... >> members when finishing one are taking on another one to do......think we >> are all trying to beat ancestry.com to it....!!! >> >> 1851 census as you know has been completed that one took 5 long long >> years to complete, members thought that it was never going to be >> finished, so on the last leg members came to the rescue as I had more or >> less given up.....Pat P was there the whole duration helping out. Both >> 1851 and 1841 census will be added to the ever growing online databases >> which is membership for 2006. Transcribers of 1841 will have access to >> all 1841 regardless...... >> >> Do you want to do any of the above census.......if you do not have the CD >> I will send you one with the parish of your choice on.......some of 1841 >> are very difficult to read in places as some used pencil without lead in >> it!!!! >> >> let me know thanks for the offer, there is no rush only do in your own >> time..... >> >> Pauline >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jan" <janisj.burns@ntlworld.com> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census >> >> >>> Pauline, >>> >>> Can I help with the indexing ?I don't have a lot of spare time but >>> perhaps can fit in an hour or two , >>> >>> Jan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:30 AM >>> Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census >>> >>> >>>> Diana, you need a break after all the 1841 census transcribing you have >>>> done, and a full time job too.....Llanelli is one of the hardest ones >>>> to complete as it is so large.......enjoy your holiday!! >>>> >>>> Thanks go to you all all the other members who are making this census >>>> available for CFHS on-line indexes - added bonus to go with 1851 for >>>> 2006 membership!! Look-ups will be a thing of the past we can look up >>>> everything ourselves.....how lucky we are!! >>>> >>>> Pauline >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "diana murray" >>>> <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> >>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:42 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Fw: William Edwards >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Pauline - no the message was for you and not the group I don't know >>>>> what >>>>> I did there. I transcribed about 1500 names yesterday trying to >>>>> finish it >>>>> before I go away on holiday. Would you be kind enough to let >>>>> whoever it >>>>> was wanted William Edward/s about those two I sent - one to you and >>>>> one to >>>>> the group. >>>>> >>>>> If you let me know what you think of the that one I could not read >>>>> 'Kilwraes or Kilvaes' and I will alter that one and sent you Borough >>>>> 6. >>>>> >>>>> Diana >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you >>>>> cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the >>>>> name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >>>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot >> find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the >> Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >> >> >

Folks, In searching this side of the "pond" in the USA I have just come across new information that someone in Carmarthenshire may be able and willing to help me prove with evidence or simply put it to rest as false or just wishful thinking. Some of you know that the National Library of Wales found the baptism of John Lewis son of William on 15 February 1772. His birth taken from his stone in the USA says birth was 13 February 1771. John and Sarah are my maternal fourth great grandparents. I have just located our 1850 census taken for Greenwich, Fairfield County, Connecticut which names my John Jr. as William Lieus (the spelling may have been an error on the part of the enumerator of the census). At that time William with a wife named Cynthia and two daughters aged 6 and 4 years enters that he was born in Carmarthenshire as well and that his parents are John and Sarah Lewis. His birth year would be 1813 give or take a year for the actual birth date because our census only asks the age at the last birthday and it doesn't seem to really matter if he or she was 37 and born in August and the census was taken in July he or she would still be 37. The only difference is if there was an infant born during the year then you would enter the months back from the date that the census was taken so if the census was taken in July and the infant was born in March you would enter 4/12. I am now looking for the marriage of John Lewis to Sarah (nee ?) she was born about 1779 again give or take a year as she was 64 and 3 months at her death in 1843. Since John Lewis was born in Carmarthenshire and his son was also born there I am going to assume that it is possible that John and Sarah were married there as well. The first enumeration of the stones in 1932 gave the birth as 13 February 1771 at Llandeilo, Abbercywyn, Carmarthen, South Wales. I recently found someone in that local area to walk the cemetery for me as I live over 3,000 miles away in the Pacific Northwest. In February I read the Inscriptions from a book taken at a later time in Christ's Church cemetery. This book reports that there is a completely different location for the birth of John which I am entering but have not proved to be correct. That entry that says it was from the inscription of the stone says, La Parish Landille adda Ganon, Garmathern, South Wales and again date of birth is 13 February 1771 with a date of death as 5 October 1846. The person who walked the cemetery for me said that the stones are very hard to read therefore I expect the possibility of some spelling errors. Such as entering a "G" instead of a "C". Maybe more. What this says to me or at least it is my estimation that John and Sarah Lewis brought a son John Jr. born 1813 to America where he married Cynthia of Virginia before July 1844 the birth of their first daughter. As I mentioned previously John Jr. is sometimes seen as William with the same birth date. He died about 1851 or at least after the census was taken in 1850. By 1860 his wife is the head of the house with two children the second was born in NYC. The second child died at the age of 7. Cynthia says that she is a widow and is seen as such in 1870, and 1880. She died in 1889. I would appreciate very kindly if someone over there could verify these findings for me with church records etc. I am told that the Christ's Church at Rye that had run the cemetery is closed and nobody seems to know where the records went to or are kept. Be that as it may I don't now expect to find a marriage of the older couple John and Sarah from what I now know. Daniel David Lewis Frommherz www.mckenzievalleymarket.com Paternal grandson of Adolph Joseph and Lucy Adelia (King) Frommherz Sr. of Benton County, Oregon Maternal grandson of Myron Horton and Winifred Marie (Smith) Lounsbury of Mount Vernon, Westchester County, New York President and CEO of OUT NOW INC. (_E=MC2_)

Hi Jan Thanks for the offer, there are not many left, do you have any census CD of ours for 1841? The only ones left now are.... Meidrim, Llanfihangel Abercowin, Llandilo Abercowin, Llangathen,, Llanfynydd (big one) Llanllwni Llanybydder and Llanycrwys We just cannot believe how members have rallied around to do this 1841 census......lots are finished the rest being done as we speak...... members when finishing one are taking on another one to do......think we are all trying to beat ancestry.com to it....!!! 1851 census as you know has been completed that one took 5 long long years to complete, members thought that it was never going to be finished, so on the last leg members came to the rescue as I had more or less given up.....Pat P was there the whole duration helping out. Both 1851 and 1841 census will be added to the ever growing online databases which is membership for 2006. Transcribers of 1841 will have access to all 1841 regardless...... Do you want to do any of the above census.......if you do not have the CD I will send you one with the parish of your choice on.......some of 1841 are very difficult to read in places as some used pencil without lead in it!!!! let me know thanks for the offer, there is no rush only do in your own time..... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <janisj.burns@ntlworld.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census > Pauline, > > Can I help with the indexing ?I don't have a lot of spare time but perhaps > can fit in an hour or two , > > Jan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:30 AM > Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census > > >> Diana, you need a break after all the 1841 census transcribing you have >> done, and a full time job too.....Llanelli is one of the hardest ones to >> complete as it is so large.......enjoy your holiday!! >> >> Thanks go to you all all the other members who are making this census >> available for CFHS on-line indexes - added bonus to go with 1851 for 2006 >> membership!! Look-ups will be a thing of the past we can look up >> everything ourselves.....how lucky we are!! >> >> Pauline >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:42 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Fw: William Edwards >> >> >>> Hi Pauline - no the message was for you and not the group I don't know >>> what >>> I did there. I transcribed about 1500 names yesterday trying to finish >>> it >>> before I go away on holiday. Would you be kind enough to let whoever >>> it >>> was wanted William Edward/s about those two I sent - one to you and one >>> to >>> the group. >>> >>> If you let me know what you think of the that one I could not read >>> 'Kilwraes or Kilvaes' and I will alter that one and sent you Borough 6. >>> >>> Diana >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot >>> find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the >>> Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >> >> > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Pauline, Can I help with the indexing ?I don't have a lot of spare time but perhaps can fit in an hour or two , Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:30 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census > Diana, you need a break after all the 1841 census transcribing you have > done, and a full time job too.....Llanelli is one of the hardest ones to > complete as it is so large.......enjoy your holiday!! > > Thanks go to you all all the other members who are making this census > available for CFHS on-line indexes - added bonus to go with 1851 for 2006 > membership!! Look-ups will be a thing of the past we can look up > everything ourselves.....how lucky we are!! > > Pauline > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Fw: William Edwards > > >> Hi Pauline - no the message was for you and not the group I don't know >> what >> I did there. I transcribed about 1500 names yesterday trying to finish >> it >> before I go away on holiday. Would you be kind enough to let whoever >> it >> was wanted William Edward/s about those two I sent - one to you and one >> to >> the group. >> >> If you let me know what you think of the that one I could not read >> 'Kilwraes or Kilvaes' and I will alter that one and sent you Borough 6. >> >> Diana >> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot >> find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the >> Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > >

Hello Jane - I have found only these two William Edwards in the 1841 Llanelly census so far - are either of them yours! I only have a bit more to do now on the Llanelly 1841 and I will let you know if I do find anymore. Page 170 of 376 Borough enu dist 6 all born in county Daniel Edwards collier 25 Mary 25 William 3 David 1 page 164 of 376 Borough enu dist 6 All born in county Ann Edward 40 widow William Edward 15 collier Rachel 12 Eliza 10 John 3 Margaret 16 months with best wishes Diana

Diana, you need a break after all the 1841 census transcribing you have done, and a full time job too.....Llanelli is one of the hardest ones to complete as it is so large.......enjoy your holiday!! Thanks go to you all all the other members who are making this census available for CFHS on-line indexes - added bonus to go with 1851 for 2006 membership!! Look-ups will be a thing of the past we can look up everything ourselves.....how lucky we are!! Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:42 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Fw: William Edwards > Hi Pauline - no the message was for you and not the group I don't know > what > I did there. I transcribed about 1500 names yesterday trying to finish > it > before I go away on holiday. Would you be kind enough to let whoever it > was wanted William Edward/s about those two I sent - one to you and one to > the group. > > If you let me know what you think of the that one I could not read > 'Kilwraes or Kilvaes' and I will alter that one and sent you Borough 6. > > Diana > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Hi Pauline - no the message was for you and not the group I don't know what I did there. I transcribed about 1500 names yesterday trying to finish it before I go away on holiday. Would you be kind enough to let whoever it was wanted William Edward/s about those two I sent - one to you and one to the group. If you let me know what you think of the that one I could not read 'Kilwraes or Kilvaes' and I will alter that one and sent you Borough 6. Diana

Diana, was this message meant for me or the list.......think I'll go there myself!!! Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 7:37 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Fw: William Edwards > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: diana murray > To: Pauline James > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:32 PM > Subject: Re: William Edwards > > > Yes Pauline - that was easy in comparison to alot of it. I think he had > been in the pub!! > > I have just heard from David Cooke - no joy with any thing. No letter of > administration, Blaennant not in the book. What a pain > > Someone was after a William Edwards Llanelly - I have finally come across > one as follows. > > page 164 of 376 Mill Street Borough enu dist 6 > > All born in county > > Ann widow 40 > William collier 15 > Rachel 12 > Eliza 10 > John 3 > Margaret 16 months. > > This is the only one so far > > Diana > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

I have found another William Edwards - 1841 census All born Llanelly Daniel Edwards 25 Mary 25 William 3 David 1 Borough enu dist 6 Diana

----- Original Message ----- From: diana murray To: Pauline James Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: Re: William Edwards Yes Pauline - that was easy in comparison to alot of it. I think he had been in the pub!! I have just heard from David Cooke - no joy with any thing. No letter of administration, Blaennant not in the book. What a pain Someone was after a William Edwards Llanelly - I have finally come across one as follows. page 164 of 376 Mill Street Borough enu dist 6 All born in county Ann widow 40 William collier 15 Rachel 12 Eliza 10 John 3 Margaret 16 months. This is the only one so far Diana

HI Ginette If the census I found is the correct one these are some of the children being baptised in Kidwelly parish church to a John and Elizabeth - to check if the same people you could request a look-up from the record office (archives) in Carmarthen 1826 5th Nov - Mary Philips dau John and Elizabeth 1834 1st June - Margaret Phillips dau John and Elizabeth 1836 30th Oct - John Phillips son John and Elizabeth 1840 26th July - Phillip son John and Elizabeth Mary and Phillip match from the census, perhaps Margaret and John are already working away from home George was not baptised in the parish church......Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginette Elliott" <Ginette@marsburg.f2s.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Birth Certificate for George Phillips > Hi Pauline > > Many thanks for the info, everything helps as you start to think it's > under your nose and you're too dense to see it! Johns occupation on the > certificate was Labourer. I will email the Registrar and keep everything > crossed! > > Ginette > > In message <007701c5b7a5$c2e595c0$6602a8c0@carmarthen>, Pauline James > <paulinejames@onvol.net> writes >>Hi Ginette >> >>I have looked in Kidwelly and Carmarthenshire1851 census for a George >>Phillips aged under 4 but cannot find one.....this is the only George >>Phillips with father John......what was the fathers occupation on the >>marriage cert....... >> >>Kidwelly 1851 census dist 2b page 7 sch 29 >>Lady Street >>John Phillips head mar 48 labourer born Llanelly >>Elizabeth Phillips wife marr 45 born Kidwelly >>Mary Phillips dau un 24 born Kidwelly >>Phillip Phillips son 10 born Kidwelly >>George Phillips son 8 born Kidwelly >>Lemuel Phillips son 6 born Kidwelly >> >>When you want a popular name and you know where he was born, go to the >>local registry office they will ensure that you have the correct >>certificate with correct father and occupation..... >> >>Kidwelly is under Llanelly registry office, but they do not have an >>official email address yet so if you send to Carmarthen they will find out >>for you >> >>Registrars@carmarthenshire.gov.uk >> >>let me know if this helps >> >>Pauline >> > -- > Ginette Phillips > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Hi Ginette If he was a labourer, this one could be good.......I looked at my marriage index for John Phillip/s to any Elizabeth there are two possibilities 1824 23rd July Llanelly parish church John Philip and Elizabeth Hugh 1825 14th October Kidwelly parish church John Phillips and Elizabeth Lloyd unless Elizabeth was his second wife as a big gap between ages of 24 then down to 10 years old...... keep us posted - hope you find the correct birth certificate this time.... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginette Elliott" <Ginette@marsburg.f2s.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Birth Certificate for George Phillips > Hi Pauline > > Many thanks for the info, everything helps as you start to think it's > under your nose and you're too dense to see it! Johns occupation on the > certificate was Labourer. I will email the Registrar and keep everything > crossed! > > Ginette > > In message <007701c5b7a5$c2e595c0$6602a8c0@carmarthen>, Pauline James > <paulinejames@onvol.net> writes >>Hi Ginette >> >>I have looked in Kidwelly and Carmarthenshire1851 census for a George >>Phillips aged under 4 but cannot find one.....this is the only George >>Phillips with father John......what was the fathers occupation on the >>marriage cert....... >> >>Kidwelly 1851 census dist 2b page 7 sch 29 >>Lady Street >>John Phillips head mar 48 labourer born Llanelly >>Elizabeth Phillips wife marr 45 born Kidwelly >>Mary Phillips dau un 24 born Kidwelly >>Phillip Phillips son 10 born Kidwelly >>George Phillips son 8 born Kidwelly >>Lemuel Phillips son 6 born Kidwelly >> >>When you want a popular name and you know where he was born, go to the >>local registry office they will ensure that you have the correct >>certificate with correct father and occupation..... >> >>Kidwelly is under Llanelly registry office, but they do not have an >>official email address yet so if you send to Carmarthen they will find out >>for you >> >>Registrars@carmarthenshire.gov.uk >> >>let me know if this helps >> >>Pauline >> > -- > Ginette Phillips > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Hi Pauline, Thanks for your help. I now have a copy of 1901 census form off Ancestry for both Grandparents, cortesy of my cousin's wife who is a member. There are a lot of mistakes,.and it could be very confusing, Uncle George is even classed as a daughter. I have the 1891 census for both families Pauline, my Grandmother wasn't born until 1892, so she's not on that one. It's nice that your family lived in Seaside also. Their names were William Henry May and Olivia May(Davies), and we lived in Catherine Street, Seaside. Anyway, thanks for your help Pauline, no doubt I'll need more help soon. Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1901 census > Hi Jenny > > Give us the names of your grandparents......my own family lived in > Victoria Terrace Seaside and Bryn Terrace also Railway Place...... > > Perhaps we can find them in1891 census......Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jennifer Duggan" <jennifer.duggan@ntlworld.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:34 PM > Subject: [Cmn-L] 1901 census > > >> Hi listers, I wonder if anyone can help. My Grandparents were born in >> Llanelly in 1890 and 1892. My Grandfather was born in Victoria Terrace, >> Seaside, and my Grandmother in Llwynwhilwg Terrace, nr. Llanelly. >> I have input both their names into the 1901 on-line census with no >> results showing. I know they were both alive in 1901 as I lived with >> them both in Seaside until their deaths in 1945 and 1947. They married >> in 1911 and their addresses were Union Square and Caroline Street, >> Seaside. I don't know when they moved to these addresses. >> I don't know what to input for a result. Hope someone can help. Thanks >> a lot, Jenny >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot >> find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the >> Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 10/09/2005 > >

Hi Diane, Thanks for your reply. I now have both my Grandparents census forms. There are quite a few mistakes on my Grandmother's census, if I didn't know any different it could be very confusing. One uncle, George, is even classed as a daughter. Thanks again for your help. Jenny. ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2005 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1901 census > Hello Jennifer - what are their names? I have the ancestry 1901 which > would give variations. > > Diana > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.21/96 - Release Date: 10/09/2005 > >

Hi Pauline Many thanks for the info, everything helps as you start to think it's under your nose and you're too dense to see it! Johns occupation on the certificate was Labourer. I will email the Registrar and keep everything crossed! Ginette In message <007701c5b7a5$c2e595c0$6602a8c0@carmarthen>, Pauline James <paulinejames@onvol.net> writes >Hi Ginette > >I have looked in Kidwelly and Carmarthenshire1851 census for a George >Phillips aged under 4 but cannot find one.....this is the only George >Phillips with father John......what was the fathers occupation on the >marriage cert....... > >Kidwelly 1851 census dist 2b page 7 sch 29 >Lady Street >John Phillips head mar 48 labourer born Llanelly >Elizabeth Phillips wife marr 45 born Kidwelly >Mary Phillips dau un 24 born Kidwelly >Phillip Phillips son 10 born Kidwelly >George Phillips son 8 born Kidwelly >Lemuel Phillips son 6 born Kidwelly > >When you want a popular name and you know where he was born, go to the >local registry office they will ensure that you have the correct >certificate with correct father and occupation..... > >Kidwelly is under Llanelly registry office, but they do not have an >official email address yet so if you send to Carmarthen they will find >out for you > >Registrars@carmarthenshire.gov.uk > >let me know if this helps > >Pauline > -- Ginette Phillips

Diana, how old was the one in 1861 and where were they living....Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Birth Certificate for George Phillips > Hello Ginette - I have been through the 1861 census for a George Phillip > or Phillips only one with a father John. Email me off line and I will > send you the census page. > > Diana > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >

Hi Pauline - the father John Phillip no 's' a coal miner as on the 1871 which I found which Ginette had got. John P was 48 and born Kidwelly. Living at Michaelston Avon Llandaff Glamorgan (I always thought that Michaelston was in Mons) George is 9 and born Michaelston Glamorgan. The mother is Hannah aged 49 also born Kidwelly. I am not sure it is the right family as the age is a bit out. ie born c 1852 rather than 1847 - 1850. There were no others. I didn't look in 1861 England. Diana

Hi Ginette I have looked in Kidwelly and Carmarthenshire1851 census for a George Phillips aged under 4 but cannot find one.....this is the only George Phillips with father John......what was the fathers occupation on the marriage cert....... Kidwelly 1851 census dist 2b page 7 sch 29 Lady Street John Phillips head mar 48 labourer born Llanelly Elizabeth Phillips wife marr 45 born Kidwelly Mary Phillips dau un 24 born Kidwelly Phillip Phillips son 10 born Kidwelly George Phillips son 8 born Kidwelly Lemuel Phillips son 6 born Kidwelly When you want a popular name and you know where he was born, go to the local registry office they will ensure that you have the correct certificate with correct father and occupation..... Kidwelly is under Llanelly registry office, but they do not have an official email address yet so if you send to Carmarthen they will find out for you Registrars@carmarthenshire.gov.uk let me know if this helps Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginette Elliott" <Ginette@marsburg.f2s.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2005 3:47 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Birth Certificate for George Phillips > Hi Listers > > I'm a newbie to the List and really hope that someone can help break down > my brick wall before I end up buying every birth certificate in the GRO!! > > George Phillips was my Gt Gdfather and was born in Kidwelly c1847/50. He > married Elizabeth Evans 1 Feb 1869 in Bridgend and on the certificate, it > names his father as John Phillips. > > I have found him on the 1871 Census at Llangeinor with his wife and first > child. He is aged 24 born in Kidwelly > On the 1881 Census he is at Long Row, Llandyfowg with his wife and more > children. Aged 34 born in Kidwelly > On the 1891 Census he's back at Llangeinor with his wife and more children > including my Gdfather Philip Lloyd Phillips. Aged 41 and born > Maesgwenlliam (sp) > On the 1901 Census he's at Llangeinor but listed as George Lloyd age 52 > born in Kidwelly! > I can't find him (or his father on 1861 Census) > > I am 100% certain that this is not two different people but because the > birth years aren't consistent and the Registration districts are tying me > in knots, I've paid for 5 birth certificates and none are the right > ones... help! > > Sorry to go on:-) I'd be so grateful for any help or advice. > > Ginette > -- > Ginette Phillips > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Hello Ginette - I have been through the 1861 census for a George Phillip or Phillips only one with a father John. Email me off line and I will send you the census page. Diana

Hello Ginette - what is the profession on the censuses and the marriage certificate for the father and son. Diana