Hello Jane - I have finished trancribing my bit of the 1841 Llanelly census now and those were the only two William Edwards in all that I did. Could it possibly be that he was in Llanelly Breconshire. I have ancestors from there and I was fooled for a long time thinking it was Carmarthenshire. Llanelly Breconshire is a tiny place pearched on the side of a hill which I visited a few months ago. Just a thought. best wishes Diana

Hi Peg You need to send to carmarthenshire-L-request@rootsweb.com unsubscribe in the subject.........happy time away..... thanks Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peg Horn" <peg.horn@sympatico.ca> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Unsubscribe > Will be away for 3 weeks. > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Ginnett Are they checking all spellings of Phillips.....as there are Philips, Phillips, Philipps, Phillipps, Philip, Phillip, Philipp, Phillipp ask if they have checked against all instances......if they added an 's' don't think their computer will bring out the ones without the 's' mine although mine does.....but unsure about theirs.... Llanelly is where he would be registered, can you contact them directly? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginette Elliott" <Ginette@marsburg.f2s.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 1:56 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Birth Certificate for George Phillips > Hi Pauline > > I have just had emails from both Registrars (Carmarthen & Llanelly) to say > they can find no trace of the birth of George Phillips in the Llanelli or > Carmarthen District registers between 1840 and 1855:-( > > Where on earth do I go from here? > > Ginette > >>>I have looked in Kidwelly and Carmarthenshire1851 census for a George >>>Phillips aged under 4 but cannot find one.....this is the only George >>>Phillips with father John......what was the fathers occupation on the >>>marriage cert....... >>> >>>Kidwelly 1851 census dist 2b page 7 sch 29 >>>Lady Street >>>John Phillips head mar 48 labourer born Llanelly >>>Elizabeth Phillips wife marr 45 born Kidwelly >>>Mary Phillips dau un 24 born Kidwelly >>>Phillip Phillips son 10 born Kidwelly >>>George Phillips son 8 born Kidwelly >>>Lemuel Phillips son 6 born Kidwelly >>> >>>When you want a popular name and you know where he was born, go to the >>>local registry office they will ensure that you have the correct >>>certificate with correct father and occupation..... >>> >>>Kidwelly is under Llanelly registry office, but they do not have an >>>official email address yet so if you send to Carmarthen they will find >>>out for you >>> >>>Registrars@carmarthenshire.gov.uk >>> >>>let me know if this helps >>> >>>Pauline > -- > Ginette Phillips > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hello Lister, I would just to offer my help with the IGI for Carmarthenshire, I was fortunate enough to buy them on E-bay a few ago, if anyone needs any help with look ups please get back to me. Regards to all. Jenny

Pauline, I am not having much luck in sending out general information on my Lewis Family of Carmarthenshire to the list or otherwise. My browser is now opened to the web site for the National Library of Wales. They have or are supposed to have a link to find a researcher close to the library who might be willing to help me with an eyes on project there for my Lewis family. New information has just crossed my desk in the past week. I have found the 1850 census for Fairfield County, Connecticut, USA in it the son of John reports that he was born in the same parish that his father was baptized in years before. His birth would then be about 1813. This makes it more likely than not that his parents John and Sarah were married at this parish. From what I can gather taken from the stone's inscriptions at the cemetery John was born 13 February 1771, from information sent me taken from the NLW his baptism was 15 February 1772 at what appears to be Llandeilo Abbercywyn, Carmarthen, Wales. In the 1850 census just mentioned John who is also calling himself William. Both John and William report that they are married to Cynthia but in different sources. It is she who has the same birth date in both. Again in different sources these men William and John also share the same death date making it highly likely that they are the same person just using possibly first and middle names at different times in their lives. Only the spouse named John is marked on the stone next to Cynthia at Christ's Church Cemetery with the date of death. I believe that we are going to find the John married Sarah in Carmarthenshire at least before 1813 the year given as the birth of their son. They appear to have come to America together. I don't know if they had other children. What I would like is the name of a person close enough to the NLW who could for a fee try to locate John born 1771, Sarah born about 1779, and John who could be using the given name of William was born about 1813. If I can find them I will have some chance for locating a departure date and place to the USA. Daniel David Lewis Frommherz www.mckenzievalleymarket.com Paternal grandson of Adolph Joseph and Lucy Adelia (King) Frommherz Sr. of Egg, Baden, Germany and Benton County, Oregon Maternal grandson of Myron Horton and Winifred Marie (Smith) Lounsbury of Mount Vernon and Cortland, Westchester County, New York President and CEO of OUT NOW INC. (_E=MC2_)

Hi Pauline I have just had emails from both Registrars (Carmarthen & Llanelly) to say they can find no trace of the birth of George Phillips in the Llanelli or Carmarthen District registers between 1840 and 1855:-( Where on earth do I go from here? Ginette >>I have looked in Kidwelly and Carmarthenshire1851 census for a George >>Phillips aged under 4 but cannot find one.....this is the only George >>Phillips with father John......what was the fathers occupation on the >>marriage cert....... >> >>Kidwelly 1851 census dist 2b page 7 sch 29 >>Lady Street >>John Phillips head mar 48 labourer born Llanelly >>Elizabeth Phillips wife marr 45 born Kidwelly >>Mary Phillips dau un 24 born Kidwelly >>Phillip Phillips son 10 born Kidwelly >>George Phillips son 8 born Kidwelly >>Lemuel Phillips son 6 born Kidwelly >> >>When you want a popular name and you know where he was born, go to the >>local registry office they will ensure that you have the correct >>certificate with correct father and occupation..... >> >>Kidwelly is under Llanelly registry office, but they do not have an >>official email address yet so if you send to Carmarthen they will find >>out for you >> >>Registrars@carmarthenshire.gov.uk >> >>let me know if this helps >> >>Pauline -- Ginette Phillips

Hello, Diana. Thank you for this additional information from the 1841 census. This is going to keep me busy searching for the connection to the information that I have. Regards, Jane in Cal.

Hello, Diana Many thanks for all of the information you sent-I'm sure it must be a tremendous task searching through records as you have done. So far, I do not seem to be able to connect this latest data with what I have, but I am not through searching. I sincerely appreciate all that you do. Regards, Jane in Cal.

Will be away for 3 weeks.

omitted the email address sorry record office - archives Carmarthen Archives@carmarthenshire.gov.uk let us know how you get on....Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginette Elliott" <Ginette@marsburg.f2s.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:25 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Birth Certificate for George Phillips > Hi Pauline > > This is all looking very exciting:-) Going by what you said below, I found > the two brothers Philip and George on the 1861 Census. They were both > working as servants for a farmers widow in Llanelli but have had no luck > with John, Elizabeth or Lemuel which surprised me. I didn't even > contemplate looking for Mary at least until my eye stop spinning! > > Can you explain please how would I go about requesting a look up in the > Carmarthen Archives? > > Many thanks > > Ginette > >>If he was a labourer, this one could be good.......I looked at my marriage >>index for John Phillip/s to any Elizabeth there are two possibilities >> >>1824 23rd July Llanelly parish church >>John Philip and Elizabeth Hugh >> >>1825 14th October Kidwelly parish church >>John Phillips and Elizabeth Lloyd >> >>unless Elizabeth was his second wife as a big gap between ages of 24 then >>down to 10 years old...... >> >>keep us posted - hope you find the correct birth certificate this time.... >> >>>>Kidwelly 1851 census dist 2b page 7 sch 29 >>>>Lady Street >>>>John Phillips head mar 48 labourer born Llanelly >>>>Elizabeth Phillips wife marr 45 born Kidwelly >>>>Mary Phillips dau un 24 born Kidwelly >>>>Phillip Phillips son 10 born Kidwelly >>>>George Phillips son 8 born Kidwelly >>>>Lemuel Phillips son 6 born Kidwelly >>>> >>>>When you want a popular name and you know where he was born, go to the >>>>local registry office they will ensure that you have the correct >>>>certificate with correct father and occupation..... >>>> >>>>Kidwelly is under Llanelly registry office, but they do not have an >>>>official email address yet so if you send to Carmarthen they will find >>>>out for you >>>> >>>>Registrars@carmarthenshire.gov.uk > > -- > Ginette Phillips > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

HI Trevor Thanks for the offer, do you know how to index the census, can you split a screen to read off one half and type on the other.......fill down etc..... If you want to come to me off line we can 'chat' about it more.... thanks Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trevor Whitlock" <oztumtum@optusnet.com.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census > Gday Pauline, > I am not a member of the CFHS but have an interest in > Llangathen. > I noticed you still need a volunteer to transcribe the 1841 census for > Llangathen and I would be pleased to do it if will help. > > It didnt escape my notice that it is only a small one lol. > > > Regards > > > Trevor Whitlock > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census > > >> Hi Jan >> >> Thanks for the offer, there are not many left, do you have any census CD >> of ours for 1841? The only ones left now are.... >> >> Meidrim, Llanfihangel Abercowin, Llandilo Abercowin, Llangathen,, >> Llanfynydd (big one) Llanllwni Llanybydder and Llanycrwys >> >> We just cannot believe how members have rallied around to do this 1841 >> census......lots are finished the rest being done as we speak...... >> members when finishing one are taking on another one to do......think we >> are all trying to beat ancestry.com to it....!!! >> >> 1851 census as you know has been completed that one took 5 long long >> years to complete, members thought that it was never going to be >> finished, so on the last leg members came to the rescue as I had more or >> less given up.....Pat P was there the whole duration helping out. Both >> 1851 and 1841 census will be added to the ever growing online databases >> which is membership for 2006. Transcribers of 1841 will have access to >> all 1841 regardless...... >> >> Do you want to do any of the above census.......if you do not have the CD >> I will send you one with the parish of your choice on.......some of 1841 >> are very difficult to read in places as some used pencil without lead in >> it!!!! >> >> let me know thanks for the offer, there is no rush only do in your own >> time..... >> >> Pauline >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jan" <janisj.burns@ntlworld.com> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census >> >> >>> Pauline, >>> >>> Can I help with the indexing ?I don't have a lot of spare time but >>> perhaps can fit in an hour or two , >>> >>> Jan >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:30 AM >>> Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census >>> >>> >>>> Diana, you need a break after all the 1841 census transcribing you have >>>> done, and a full time job too.....Llanelli is one of the hardest ones >>>> to complete as it is so large.......enjoy your holiday!! >>>> >>>> Thanks go to you all all the other members who are making this census >>>> available for CFHS on-line indexes - added bonus to go with 1851 for >>>> 2006 membership!! Look-ups will be a thing of the past we can look up >>>> everything ourselves.....how lucky we are!! >>>> >>>> Pauline >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "diana murray" >>>> <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> >>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:42 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Fw: William Edwards >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Pauline - no the message was for you and not the group I don't know >>>>> what >>>>> I did there. I transcribed about 1500 names yesterday trying to >>>>> finish it >>>>> before I go away on holiday. Would you be kind enough to let >>>>> whoever it >>>>> was wanted William Edward/s about those two I sent - one to you and >>>>> one to >>>>> the group. >>>>> >>>>> If you let me know what you think of the that one I could not read >>>>> 'Kilwraes or Kilvaes' and I will alter that one and sent you Borough >>>>> 6. >>>>> >>>>> Diana >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you >>>>> cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the >>>>> name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >>>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot >> find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the >> Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 267.10.20 - Release Date: 9/09/2005 >> >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 267.10.20 - Release Date: 9/09/2005 > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hi Jenny Have you tried to obtain their birth certificates from Registry office, not for all 14 as that would be very expensive.... When was he born, you did not say......did he give his place of birth as Llandeilo fawr? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Rapps" <jennifer.rapps@ntlworld.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] SURNAME INTEREST > Hello to all, Carmarthen listers, > > > > I am a new subscriber to Carmarthen mailing list I would therefore like to > submit my surname of interest in the hope that someone may be researching > the same surname as myself. > > > > Henry Stuckey Gifford, > > On 1901 census RG13 5105 folio 18 page 7. He is living at Red Lion > Cottage > with Balbina his Spanish wife and 11 of his 15 children. > > > > While on holiday in Tenby I spent a few hours at the archives in > Carmarthen > hoping to find baptism of his children, this I failed to do, do anyone > have > any suggestion where I can find baptisms other than Llandilo Fawr. > > > > I look forward to any help or suggestion. > > > > Many thanks to you all in advance. > > Jenny > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Ginette Hope these are yours......do you mean a look up for the full information from the baptisms I gave to you...... if you want to see if there is a birth certificate for George you need to contact the registry office......that will be the only place to obtain a birth certificate for him, if he was registered, as it was not law until 1874 to register childrens births..... Perhaps Lemuel was mistranscibed in 1861......try Samuel, Semuel.........the L's and S's were very similiar in records I have found......Was George born in Kidwelly according to 1861 census? keep us posted.....Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ginette Elliott" <Ginette@marsburg.f2s.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:25 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Birth Certificate for George Phillips > Hi Pauline > > This is all looking very exciting:-) Going by what you said below, I found > the two brothers Philip and George on the 1861 Census. They were both > working as servants for a farmers widow in Llanelli but have had no luck > with John, Elizabeth or Lemuel which surprised me. I didn't even > contemplate looking for Mary at least until my eye stop spinning! > > Can you explain please how would I go about requesting a look up in the > Carmarthen Archives? > > Many thanks > > Ginette > >>If he was a labourer, this one could be good.......I looked at my marriage >>index for John Phillip/s to any Elizabeth there are two possibilities >> >>1824 23rd July Llanelly parish church >>John Philip and Elizabeth Hugh >> >>1825 14th October Kidwelly parish church >>John Phillips and Elizabeth Lloyd >> >>unless Elizabeth was his second wife as a big gap between ages of 24 then >>down to 10 years old...... >> >>keep us posted - hope you find the correct birth certificate this time.... >> >>>>Kidwelly 1851 census dist 2b page 7 sch 29 >>>>Lady Street >>>>John Phillips head mar 48 labourer born Llanelly >>>>Elizabeth Phillips wife marr 45 born Kidwelly >>>>Mary Phillips dau un 24 born Kidwelly >>>>Phillip Phillips son 10 born Kidwelly >>>>George Phillips son 8 born Kidwelly >>>>Lemuel Phillips son 6 born Kidwelly >>>> >>>>When you want a popular name and you know where he was born, go to the >>>>local registry office they will ensure that you have the correct >>>>certificate with correct father and occupation..... >>>> >>>>Kidwelly is under Llanelly registry office, but they do not have an >>>>official email address yet so if you send to Carmarthen they will find >>>>out for you >>>> >>>>Registrars@carmarthenshire.gov.uk > > -- > Ginette Phillips > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hello Pauline, Many thanks for explaining to me how to send messages to the list, (I feel a right idiot) Henry Stuckey Gifford was born in South Petherton in Somerset. His surname was originally Stuckey which he didn't like (so I have been told) so he change to his mothers maiden name Gifford (Hence Stuckey Gifford) As you say it is perhaps best for me to send for a birth certificate. Regards Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@onvol.net] Sent: 15 September 2005 08:24 To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] SURNAME INTEREST Hi Jenny Have you tried to obtain their birth certificates from Registry office, not for all 14 as that would be very expensive.... When was he born, you did not say......did he give his place of birth as Llandeilo fawr? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Rapps" <jennifer.rapps@ntlworld.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] SURNAME INTEREST > Hello to all, Carmarthen listers, > > > > I am a new subscriber to Carmarthen mailing list I would therefore like to > submit my surname of interest in the hope that someone may be researching > the same surname as myself. > > > > Henry Stuckey Gifford, > > On 1901 census RG13 5105 folio 18 page 7. He is living at Red Lion > Cottage > with Balbina his Spanish wife and 11 of his 15 children. > > > > While on holiday in Tenby I spent a few hours at the archives in > Carmarthen > hoping to find baptism of his children, this I failed to do, do anyone > have > any suggestion where I can find baptisms other than Llandilo Fawr. > > > > I look forward to any help or suggestion. > > > > Many thanks to you all in advance. > > Jenny > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk

Trevor I'm trying to link a Prosser Thomas family with Cornwall and Glamorgan. I understood from my husband's late aunt who lived in Ystylafera in Glamorgan that Prosser Thomas was the correct surname. I did find though on Pigots 1830 Directory two entries in Lamas Street. Firstly, there's a Daniel Thomas, connected with a frm called Prosser and a separate entry for Prosser & Son again in Lammas Street. I was wondering if your Thomas family were connected. Anna Thomas

Gday Pauline, I am not a member of the CFHS but have an interest in Llangathen. I noticed you still need a volunteer to transcribe the 1841 census for Llangathen and I would be pleased to do it if will help. It didnt escape my notice that it is only a small one lol. Regards Trevor Whitlock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census > Hi Jan > > Thanks for the offer, there are not many left, do you have any census CD > of ours for 1841? The only ones left now are.... > > Meidrim, Llanfihangel Abercowin, Llandilo Abercowin, Llangathen,, > Llanfynydd (big one) Llanllwni Llanybydder and Llanycrwys > > We just cannot believe how members have rallied around to do this 1841 > census......lots are finished the rest being done as we speak...... > members when finishing one are taking on another one to do......think we > are all trying to beat ancestry.com to it....!!! > > 1851 census as you know has been completed that one took 5 long long > years to complete, members thought that it was never going to be finished, > so on the last leg members came to the rescue as I had more or less given > up.....Pat P was there the whole duration helping out. Both 1851 and 1841 > census will be added to the ever growing online databases which is > membership for 2006. Transcribers of 1841 will have access to all 1841 > regardless...... > > Do you want to do any of the above census.......if you do not have the CD > I will send you one with the parish of your choice on.......some of 1841 > are very difficult to read in places as some used pencil without lead in > it!!!! > > let me know thanks for the offer, there is no rush only do in your own > time..... > > Pauline > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan" <janisj.burns@ntlworld.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census > > >> Pauline, >> >> Can I help with the indexing ?I don't have a lot of spare time but >> perhaps can fit in an hour or two , >> >> Jan >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:30 AM >> Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census >> >> >>> Diana, you need a break after all the 1841 census transcribing you have >>> done, and a full time job too.....Llanelli is one of the hardest ones to >>> complete as it is so large.......enjoy your holiday!! >>> >>> Thanks go to you all all the other members who are making this census >>> available for CFHS on-line indexes - added bonus to go with 1851 for >>> 2006 membership!! Look-ups will be a thing of the past we can look up >>> everything ourselves.....how lucky we are!! >>> >>> Pauline >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:42 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Fw: William Edwards >>> >>> >>>> Hi Pauline - no the message was for you and not the group I don't know >>>> what >>>> I did there. I transcribed about 1500 names yesterday trying to >>>> finish it >>>> before I go away on holiday. Would you be kind enough to let whoever >>>> it >>>> was wanted William Edward/s about those two I sent - one to you and one >>>> to >>>> the group. >>>> >>>> If you let me know what you think of the that one I could not read >>>> 'Kilwraes or Kilvaes' and I will alter that one and sent you Borough 6. >>>> >>>> Diana >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you >>>> cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the >>>> name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 267.10.20 - Release Date: 9/09/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 267.10.20 - Release Date: 9/09/2005

Hi Pauline This is all looking very exciting:-) Going by what you said below, I found the two brothers Philip and George on the 1861 Census. They were both working as servants for a farmers widow in Llanelli but have had no luck with John, Elizabeth or Lemuel which surprised me. I didn't even contemplate looking for Mary at least until my eye stop spinning! Can you explain please how would I go about requesting a look up in the Carmarthen Archives? Many thanks Ginette >If he was a labourer, this one could be good.......I looked at my >marriage index for John Phillip/s to any Elizabeth there are two >possibilities > >1824 23rd July Llanelly parish church >John Philip and Elizabeth Hugh > >1825 14th October Kidwelly parish church >John Phillips and Elizabeth Lloyd > >unless Elizabeth was his second wife as a big gap between ages of 24 >then down to 10 years old...... > >keep us posted - hope you find the correct birth certificate this time.... > >>>Kidwelly 1851 census dist 2b page 7 sch 29 >>>Lady Street >>>John Phillips head mar 48 labourer born Llanelly >>>Elizabeth Phillips wife marr 45 born Kidwelly >>>Mary Phillips dau un 24 born Kidwelly >>>Phillip Phillips son 10 born Kidwelly >>>George Phillips son 8 born Kidwelly >>>Lemuel Phillips son 6 born Kidwelly >>> >>>When you want a popular name and you know where he was born, go to >>>the local registry office they will ensure that you have the correct >>>certificate with correct father and occupation..... >>> >>>Kidwelly is under Llanelly registry office, but they do not have an >>>official email address yet so if you send to Carmarthen they will >>>find out for you >>> >>>Registrars@carmarthenshire.gov.uk -- Ginette Phillips

Hello to all, Carmarthen listers, I am a new subscriber to Carmarthen mailing list I would therefore like to submit my surname of interest in the hope that someone may be researching the same surname as myself. Henry Stuckey Gifford, On 1901 census RG13 5105 folio 18 page 7. He is living at Red Lion Cottage with Balbina his Spanish wife and 11 of his 15 children. While on holiday in Tenby I spent a few hours at the archives in Carmarthen hoping to find baptism of his children, this I failed to do, do anyone have any suggestion where I can find baptisms other than Llandilo Fawr. I look forward to any help or suggestion. Many thanks to you all in advance. Jenny

Yes Pauline I will give it a go, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census > Hi Jan > > Its the biggest parish that is left about 102 frames if I remember > rightly........do you still want it??? > > you'd be quite welcome to it ........thanks Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan" <janisj.burns@ntlworld.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census > > >> >> >> Hi Pauline, >> >> No I don't have any CDs sorry ,but I would love to do Llanfynydd if >> possible, >> >> Jan >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:05 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census >>> >>> >>>> Hi Jan >>>> >>>> Thanks for the offer, there are not many left, do you have any census >>>> CD of ours for 1841? The only ones left now are.... >>>> >>>> Meidrim, Llanfihangel Abercowin, Llandilo Abercowin, Llangathen,, >>>> Llanfynydd (big one) Llanllwni Llanybydder and Llanycrwys >>>> >>>> We just cannot believe how members have rallied around to do this 1841 >>>> census......lots are finished the rest being done as we speak...... >>>> members when finishing one are taking on another one to do......think >>>> we are all trying to beat ancestry.com to it....!!! >>>> >>>> 1851 census as you know has been completed that one took 5 long long >>>> years to complete, members thought that it was never going to be >>>> finished, so on the last leg members came to the rescue as I had more >>>> or less given up.....Pat P was there the whole duration helping out. >>>> Both 1851 and 1841 census will be added to the ever growing online >>>> databases which is membership for 2006. Transcribers of 1841 will have >>>> access to all 1841 regardless...... >>>> >>>> Do you want to do any of the above census.......if you do not have the >>>> CD I will send you one with the parish of your choice on.......some of >>>> 1841 are very difficult to read in places as some used pencil without >>>> lead in it!!!! >>>> >>>> let me know thanks for the offer, there is no rush only do in your own >>>> time..... >>>> >>>> Pauline >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jan" <janisj.burns@ntlworld.com> >>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:35 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census >>>> >>>> >>>>> Pauline, >>>>> >>>>> Can I help with the indexing ?I don't have a lot of spare time but >>>>> perhaps can fit in an hour or two , >>>>> >>>>> Jan >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:30 AM >>>>> Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Diana, you need a break after all the 1841 census transcribing you >>>>>> have done, and a full time job too.....Llanelli is one of the hardest >>>>>> ones to complete as it is so large.......enjoy your holiday!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks go to you all all the other members who are making this >>>>>> census available for CFHS on-line indexes - added bonus to go with >>>>>> 1851 for 2006 membership!! Look-ups will be a thing of the past we >>>>>> can look up everything ourselves.....how lucky we are!! >>>>>> >>>>>> Pauline >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "diana murray" >>>>>> <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> >>>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:42 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Fw: William Edwards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Pauline - no the message was for you and not the group I don't >>>>>>> know what >>>>>>> I did there. I transcribed about 1500 names yesterday trying to >>>>>>> finish it >>>>>>> before I go away on holiday. Would you be kind enough to let >>>>>>> whoever it >>>>>>> was wanted William Edward/s about those two I sent - one to you and >>>>>>> one to >>>>>>> the group. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you let me know what you think of the that one I could not read >>>>>>> 'Kilwraes or Kilvaes' and I will alter that one and sent you Borough >>>>>>> 6. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Diana >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you >>>>>>> cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the >>>>>>> name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & >>>>>> Information >>>>>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you >>>> cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the >>>> name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot >> find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the >> Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > >

Hi Jan Its the biggest parish that is left about 102 frames if I remember rightly........do you still want it??? you'd be quite welcome to it ........thanks Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan" <janisj.burns@ntlworld.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census > > > Hi Pauline, > > No I don't have any CDs sorry ,but I would love to do Llanfynydd if > possible, > > Jan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 12:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census >> >> >>> Hi Jan >>> >>> Thanks for the offer, there are not many left, do you have any census CD >>> of ours for 1841? The only ones left now are.... >>> >>> Meidrim, Llanfihangel Abercowin, Llandilo Abercowin, Llangathen,, >>> Llanfynydd (big one) Llanllwni Llanybydder and Llanycrwys >>> >>> We just cannot believe how members have rallied around to do this 1841 >>> census......lots are finished the rest being done as we speak...... >>> members when finishing one are taking on another one to do......think we >>> are all trying to beat ancestry.com to it....!!! >>> >>> 1851 census as you know has been completed that one took 5 long long >>> years to complete, members thought that it was never going to be >>> finished, so on the last leg members came to the rescue as I had more or >>> less given up.....Pat P was there the whole duration helping out. Both >>> 1851 and 1841 census will be added to the ever growing online databases >>> which is membership for 2006. Transcribers of 1841 will have access to >>> all 1841 regardless...... >>> >>> Do you want to do any of the above census.......if you do not have the >>> CD I will send you one with the parish of your choice on.......some of >>> 1841 are very difficult to read in places as some used pencil without >>> lead in it!!!! >>> >>> let me know thanks for the offer, there is no rush only do in your own >>> time..... >>> >>> Pauline >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jan" <janisj.burns@ntlworld.com> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 11:35 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census >>> >>> >>>> Pauline, >>>> >>>> Can I help with the indexing ?I don't have a lot of spare time but >>>> perhaps can fit in an hour or two , >>>> >>>> Jan >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 8:30 AM >>>> Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: 1841 census >>>> >>>> >>>>> Diana, you need a break after all the 1841 census transcribing you >>>>> have done, and a full time job too.....Llanelli is one of the hardest >>>>> ones to complete as it is so large.......enjoy your holiday!! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks go to you all all the other members who are making this census >>>>> available for CFHS on-line indexes - added bonus to go with 1851 for >>>>> 2006 membership!! Look-ups will be a thing of the past we can look up >>>>> everything ourselves.....how lucky we are!! >>>>> >>>>> Pauline >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "diana murray" >>>>> <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> >>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 7:42 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Fw: William Edwards >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Pauline - no the message was for you and not the group I don't >>>>>> know what >>>>>> I did there. I transcribed about 1500 names yesterday trying to >>>>>> finish it >>>>>> before I go away on holiday. Would you be kind enough to let >>>>>> whoever it >>>>>> was wanted William Edward/s about those two I sent - one to you and >>>>>> one to >>>>>> the group. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you let me know what you think of the that one I could not read >>>>>> 'Kilwraes or Kilvaes' and I will alter that one and sent you Borough >>>>>> 6. >>>>>> >>>>>> Diana >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>>> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you >>>>>> cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the >>>>>> name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >>>>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot >>> find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the >>> Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >>> >>> >> > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >