Hello Lyn Yes Glanareth in Llangadog was where William Powell lived. I would think it almost certain that Glanareth was the name of his house. I have an account of the murder in "The Black Flag over Carmarthen" by Peter J R Goodall. I haven't seen what is on the interenet -so maybe you already have seen all the info that is in my account. However if you would like me to key it in for you I will. It lists the nine people who were charged with the murder and states which of them was hanged. William Williams who was supposed to be the ringleader had already fled to France where he later drowned. It was said that he wanted to marry William Powell's wife. If some of this sounds new to you let me know. I also have a mention in the diary of Thomas Jenkins of Llandeilo, who lived much later - but obviously knew of the murder as on March 24th 1839 he says he went to Pontbrenaraeth to see the house built by Wm Powell A.D. 1762 and where he was afterwards murdered by a band of ruffians in 1770. All for now Pat In message <00eb01c5bc5b$a457f200$fa6b7bcb@oem02hhichurb4>, PR & LS Taylor <ptaylor@esat.net.au> writes >Yes Pauline that sounds like them. > >Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales >William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales >Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales >Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales >I found this on the IGI > >In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place >Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire >Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL. > >This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here. > >An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the internet >:- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder of William >Powell Carmarthenshire 1770. > >Regards > >Lyn > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM >Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > > >> Hi Lyn >> >> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned a >> William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database is >> this them? >> >> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms >> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr >> >> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you need >> to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be possibly >> filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813. >> >> Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM >> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >> >> >>> Dear Everyone >>> >>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he is >>> an ancestor of mine. >>> >>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS >>> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. >>> >>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never >>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL, >>> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's. >>> >>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who migrated >>> to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on investigation >>> this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in 1770 and the >>> second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap of 58 years. >>> >>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a daughter >>> Anne born about 1754. >>> >>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap. >>> >>> Lyn Taylor >>> Western Australia >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> > > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > -- Pat Powell

Hi Lyn I don't know if this will add anything to the information you already hold but there are extracts from a contemporary pamphlet account of the trial at _www.earlymodernweb.org.uk/waleslaw/glanarth_ (http://www.earlymodernweb.org.uk/waleslaw/glanarth) . It gives grisly details of the murder and also mentions that Mrs.Powell had a brother referred to as Captain Bowen There is a marriage of Catherine Bowen of Llandilo Fawr to William Powell at Llangadock on 10 March 1758. Hope this helps, Yvonne R.

Found this under Glanarth.....according to the murder write up William Powell was a gentleman.....extract from Carmarthenshire Homes and Their Families.... .................Much later in 1758 William Powell gent, natural son of William Powell of Llanerch Bledri married Catherine daughter of John Bowen of Gurrey near Llandeilo. His putative father left him all his estate; and after a while he left Llanerch Bledri and settled at Glanareth. He was murdered in his parlour in 1770. The widow later married Cyprian Randeau Bunce of Canterbury, but was again a widow in 1783, then living in Hereford. William Powell left two daughters and coheirs - Catherine who in 1777 married John Lucas of Stouthall, Glamorgan, and Anne. It was after the murder of 1770 that Glanareth mansion was abondoned. In 1841 Glanareth farm was ownd by one John Samuel with William Griffiths as tenant. Hope this helps......Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > Yes Pauline that sounds like them. > > Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales > William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales > Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales > Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales > I found this on the IGI > > In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place > Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire > Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL. > > This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here. > > An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the > internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder of > William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770. > > Regards > > Lyn > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > > >> Hi Lyn >> >> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned a >> William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database is >> this them? >> >> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms >> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr >> >> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you need >> to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be possibly >> filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813. >> >> Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM >> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >> >> >>> Dear Everyone >>> >>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he is >>> an ancestor of mine. >>> >>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS >>> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. >>> >>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never >>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL, >>> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's. >>> >>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who migrated >>> to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on investigation >>> this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in 1770 and the >>> second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap of 58 years. >>> >>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a >>> daughter Anne born about 1754. >>> >>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap. >>> >>> Lyn Taylor >>> Western Australia >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Lyn I am lucky enough to have access to parish registers for Llandeilo fawr....not the IGI actual parish registers 1734 18th June Llandeilo fawr parish church Katherine dau of John Bowen Esq and Anne Is this her? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > Yes Pauline that sounds like them. > > Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales > William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales > Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales > Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales > I found this on the IGI > > In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place > Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire > Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL. > > This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here. > > An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the > internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder of > William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770. > > Regards > > Lyn > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > > >> Hi Lyn >> >> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned a >> William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database is >> this them? >> >> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms >> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr >> >> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you need >> to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be possibly >> filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813. >> >> Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM >> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >> >> >>> Dear Everyone >>> >>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he is >>> an ancestor of mine. >>> >>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS >>> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. >>> >>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never >>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL, >>> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's. >>> >>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who migrated >>> to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on investigation >>> this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in 1770 and the >>> second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap of 58 years. >>> >>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a >>> daughter Anne born about 1754. >>> >>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap. >>> >>> Lyn Taylor >>> Western Australia >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Lyn Could be them as Bethlehem is either in Llangadog or Llanddeusant neighbouring parishes of Llandeilo fawr....Glanareth could be the name of a property......do you know why he was murdered.......what account was given on it, may be a few little clues there. Was there a letter of administation after his death do you know? The IGI only contains the bishops transcripts not the actual parish registers, some are even donated by relatives, in that instance the infomation is guesswork..... I will see if I can see Catherine/Katherine Bowen's baptism in Llandeilo fawr...... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > Yes Pauline that sounds like them. > > Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales > William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales > Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales > Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales > I found this on the IGI > > In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place > Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire > Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL. > > This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here. > > An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the > internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder of > William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770. > > Regards > > Lyn > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > > >> Hi Lyn >> >> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned a >> William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database is >> this them? >> >> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms >> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr >> >> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you need >> to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be possibly >> filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813. >> >> Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM >> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >> >> >>> Dear Everyone >>> >>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he is >>> an ancestor of mine. >>> >>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS >>> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. >>> >>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never >>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL, >>> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's. >>> >>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who migrated >>> to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on investigation >>> this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in 1770 and the >>> second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap of 58 years. >>> >>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a >>> daughter Anne born about 1754. >>> >>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap. >>> >>> Lyn Taylor >>> Western Australia >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Lyn Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned a William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database is this them? 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you need to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be possibly filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > Dear Everyone > > The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he is > an ancestor of mine. > > It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS > migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. > > Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never captured > and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL, also William, > migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's. > > It has always been believed in the family that the William who migrated to > Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on investigation this > cannot be so as the first William was murdered in 1770 and the second > William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap of 58 years. > > I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a daughter > Anne born about 1754. > > Can anyone help me fill in this gap. > > Lyn Taylor > Western Australia > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Does anyone know where or what GLANARETH is ? Also does anyone know of a castle owned by William POWELL around 1730 to 1770. William POWELL was born around 1730 and murdered in 1770. With thanks Lyn Taylor Western Australia

Thanks Pauline, I'll see if it fits into my family jigsaw. Russ. >>Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:58:49 +0200 >From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] RE: CARMARTHENSHIRE-D Digest V05 #309 > >Russell.......me butting in, its from the 1841 census that Shirley is >currently taking part in indexing.... > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Russell Phillips" <rivoli6@hotmail.com> >To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 6:18 PM >Subject: [Cmn-L] RE: CARMARTHENSHIRE-D Digest V05 #309 > > > > Shirley, > > > > Sorry to butt in, but what was the year of this census? > > Haven't spotted this one before, and you never know, it mght be >something > > to do with me. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Russell Phillips, > > Worcester, UK. > > > > Interests: PHILLIPS,LONEY,BENNETT,WILLIAM,ROBERT,GETHING > > > > > >>Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:12:21 EDT > >>From: WLSML@aol.com > >>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > >>Message-ID: <141.4d71f056.305bd865@aol.com> > >>Subject: John Phillips > >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >> > >>Hi, > >> > >>There is a family of John Phillips on the Llanfihangel A'r Arth, living >in > >>?Segythlyn. I am sure I have seen a lister looking for a Phillips >family, > >>so I > >>thought I put this information out: > >> > >>John Phillips 49 Farmer Yes > >>Rachel 34 > >>David 15 > >>Mary 13 > >>James 11 > >>John 9 > >>Elizabeth 7 > >>Benjamin 5 > >>Hanah 3 > >>Ann 1 > >>Rachel Titus 25 Female Servant > >>Elinor Daniel 10 Female Servant > >> > >>All born in Carmarthenshire County. > >> > >>Hope this will help someone on the List. > >> > >>Regards > >>Shirley _________________________________________________________________ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters

----- Original Message ----- From: PR & LS Taylor To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: William POWELL I am new to the list and researching the descendants of the William POWELL who was murdered in 1770 in Carmarthenshire. I would be grateful for any information. Regards Lyn Taylor Western Australia

Daniel , A reply in haste as I am just back and reading many messages. I understand your problems working from a distance. I do not think my Lewis are connected to yours till I look at dates carefully. I do have Rachel LEWIS BORN 1838 in Carmarthenshire, she gives the location of birth differently at different times but they are all correct!basically 2 miles from St Clears and near Laugharne. Her Marriage to my GTxxGrandfather Lewis MORGANS born 1834 Pembrokshire was in LLanfihangle Abercowin /Abercywn in 1870. Her youngest brother and last in the family did emigrate and now has family in Texas with whom I am in contact. So there could be a connection through him. The other possibility, that may help you could be the Lewis family members I have found who are not mine but Carmarthenshir/Pembrokshire.born. If you would like me to look back over what I have let me know either on List or at pippyx@tiscali.co.uk This is not the magic reply we all wait for but I think worth mailing in case something looks useful. If you have any other odd snippets of information and want to mail them then it often helps. Cheers, Sue in LLantrisant, Glamorgan Wales. ************************ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel David Lewis Frommherz" <mckenzie_market@mckenzievalleymarket.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:22 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Lewis at NLW > Pauline, I am not having much luck in sending out general information on > my Lewis Family of Carmarthenshire to the list or otherwise. My browser > is now opened to the web site for the National Library of Wales. They > have or are supposed to have a link to find a researcher close to the > library who might be willing to help me with an eyes on project there for > my Lewis family. New information has just crossed my desk in the past > week. I have found the 1850 census for Fairfield County, Connecticut, USA > in it the son of John reports that he was born in the same parish that his > father was baptized in years before. His birth would then be about 1813. > This makes it more likely than not that his parents John and Sarah were > married at this parish. From what I can gather taken from the stone's > inscriptions at the cemetery John was born 13 February 1771, from > information sent me taken from the NLW his baptism was 15 February 1772 at > what appears to be Llandeilo Abbercywyn, Carmarthen, Wales. In the 1850 > census just mentioned John who is also calling himself William. Both John > and William report that they are married to Cynthia but in different > sources. It is she who has the same birth date in both. Again in > different sources these men William and John also share the same death > date making it highly likely that they are the same person just using > possibly first and middle names at different times in their lives. Only > the spouse named John is marked on the stone next to Cynthia at Christ's > Church Cemetery with the date of death. I believe that we are going to > find the John married Sarah in Carmarthenshire at least before 1813 the > year given as the birth of their son. They appear to have come to America > together. I don't know if they had other children. What I would like is > the name of a person close enough to the NLW who could for a fee try to > locate John born 1771, Sarah born about 1779, and John who could be using > the given name of William was born about 1813. If I can find them I will > have some chance for locating a departure date and place to the USA. > > Daniel David Lewis Frommherz > www.mckenzievalleymarket.com > Paternal grandson of Adolph Joseph and Lucy Adelia (King) Frommherz Sr. of > Egg, Baden, Germany and Benton County, Oregon > Maternal grandson of Myron Horton and Winifred Marie (Smith) Lounsbury of > Mount Vernon and Cortland, Westchester County, New York > President and CEO of OUT NOW INC. (_E=MC2_) > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.23/99 - Release Date: 12/09/2005 > >

Russell.......me butting in, its from the 1841 census that Shirley is currently taking part in indexing.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Phillips" <rivoli6@hotmail.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] RE: CARMARTHENSHIRE-D Digest V05 #309 > Shirley, > > Sorry to butt in, but what was the year of this census? > Haven't spotted this one before, and you never know, it mght be something > to do with me. > > Sincerely, > > Russell Phillips, > Worcester, UK. > > Interests: PHILLIPS,LONEY,BENNETT,WILLIAM,ROBERT,GETHING > > >>Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:12:21 EDT >>From: WLSML@aol.com >>To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >>Message-ID: <141.4d71f056.305bd865@aol.com> >>Subject: John Phillips >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >>Hi, >> >>There is a family of John Phillips on the Llanfihangel A'r Arth, living in >>?Segythlyn. I am sure I have seen a lister looking for a Phillips family, >>so I >>thought I put this information out: >> >>John Phillips 49 Farmer Yes >>Rachel 34 >>David 15 >>Mary 13 >>James 11 >>John 9 >>Elizabeth 7 >>Benjamin 5 >>Hanah 3 >>Ann 1 >>Rachel Titus 25 Female Servant >>Elinor Daniel 10 Female Servant >> >>All born in Carmarthenshire County. >> >>Hope this will help someone on the List. >> >>Regards >>Shirley >>Brighter Cornwall today >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! > http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/ > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Jennifer, I have Walter Jones born 1777 Kidwelly. Carmarthenshire married Tabitha Daniells Chaplain born 1782 Carmarthen. Eglwys. Cymmin. Wales. They married 1807 Carmarthen Llandefaelog and had 9 children born Carmarthen Llandefaelog between 1807 and 1827 before migrating to Western Australia. I am particularly looking for the parents and grandparents of Walter Jones and Tabitha Chaplain and any other information I can get on this family. Regards Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Rapps" <jennifer.rapps@ntlworld.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] IGI FOR CARMARTHENSHIRE > Hello Lister, > > I would just to offer my help with the IGI for Carmarthenshire, I was > fortunate enough to buy them on E-bay a few ago, if anyone needs any help > with look ups please get back to me. > > > > Regards to all. > > Jenny > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >

Shirley, Sorry to butt in, but what was the year of this census? Haven't spotted this one before, and you never know, it mght be something to do with me. Sincerely, Russell Phillips, Worcester, UK. Interests: PHILLIPS,LONEY,BENNETT,WILLIAM,ROBERT,GETHING >Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 04:12:21 EDT >From: WLSML@aol.com >To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <141.4d71f056.305bd865@aol.com> >Subject: John Phillips >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Hi, > >There is a family of John Phillips on the Llanfihangel A'r Arth, living in >?Segythlyn. I am sure I have seen a lister looking for a Phillips family, >so I >thought I put this information out: > >John Phillips 49 Farmer Yes >Rachel 34 >David 15 >Mary 13 >James 11 >John 9 >Elizabeth 7 >Benjamin 5 >Hanah 3 >Ann 1 >Rachel Titus 25 Female Servant >Elinor Daniel 10 Female Servant > >All born in Carmarthenshire County. > >Hope this will help someone on the List. > >Regards >Shirley >Brighter Cornwall today > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/

Hello Pauline and Valerie, Thank you very much for checking Breconshire 1851. Unfortunately, the closest connection I can make here is that possibly this William could be a nephew. It looks as if the name "William" was a popular name in the Edwards families. I truly appreciate all your efforts. Regards, Jane in Cal.

Hello, Diana, Thank you very much for checking the 1841 Llanelly census for WILLIAM EDWARDS, but it doesn't seem as if this is the one. However, there is a possibility that the DANIEL EDWARDS listed here, born in 1816, could be a brother to WIlliam. I do know William had a brother named THOMAS... How could I go about finding a record of William's birth or baptism? The date he was born is Feb. 27, 1817. this would list his parents' names. I truly appreciate all of the information you have provided to me. Regards, Jane in Cal..

Hi Jane this came through for you on the members list Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [CmnFHS] > Hi Valerie > > Is this the Edwards that Diana has been helping with, if so, you will have > to tell Jan? on the listers pages as she is not a member so will not be > subscribed to this list.....are you subscribed there too.....if so would > you send there? > > thanks for looking........that is why these lists are so great as everyone > is so willing to help everyone else....we are so lucky.... > > Pauline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valerie Moore" <val.moore1@ntlworld.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 10:48 PM > Subject: [CmnFHS] > > >> Hello >> Have just had a look at Breconshire 1851. >> There is a William Edwards born Llanelly he is 10years old, >> his mother is Mary Father Thomas who was born in Aberystwith. >> There are also >> Thomas 13 who is an invalid >> Margaret 8 >> Anne 4 >> Jane 9. >> All living at Orchard St. >> Hope this may be of some help. >> Valerie >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS Mailing List ==== >> Welcome to the CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS mailing list! for Carmarthenshire FHS >> Members only, This is a closed list, only Carmarthenshire FHS Members are >> subscribed to this list >> When you become a member your e-mail address is added to the Accept list, >> You can subscribe & unsubscribe in the usual manner >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS Mailing List ==== > This is a Closed List For Carmarthenshire FHS Members only > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > CarmarthenshireFHS@Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > >

Hi, There is a family of John Phillips on the Llanfihangel A'r Arth, living in ?Segythlyn. I am sure I have seen a lister looking for a Phillips family, so I thought I put this information out: John Phillips 49 Farmer Yes Rachel 34 David 15 Mary 13 James 11 John 9 Elizabeth 7 Benjamin 5 Hanah 3 Ann 1 Rachel Titus 25 Female Servant Elinor Daniel 10 Female Servant All born in Carmarthenshire County. Hope this will help someone on the List. Regards Shirley Brighter Cornwall today

Forwarded this for Valerie .... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Moore" <val.moore1@ntlworld.com> > Hello > Have just had a look at Breconshire 1851. > There is a William Edwards born Llanelly he is 10years old, > his mother is Mary Father Thomas who was born in Aberystwith. > There are also > Thomas 13 who is an invalid > Margaret 8 > Anne 4 > Jane 9. > All living at Orchard St. > Hope this may be of some help. > Valerie > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS mailing list! for Carmarthenshire FHS > Members only, This is a closed list, only Carmarthenshire FHS Members are > subscribed to this list > When you become a member your e-mail address is added to the Accept list, > You can subscribe & unsubscribe in the usual manner >

Thanks for the assistance Pauline. I'm going to my cottage on Georgian Bay for three weeks. Peg Horn in Toronto

Dear Pauline and all on list, After Pauline has helped me track down my great grandfather Joshua Lewis Morris I need to find his siblings ,their parents and their grand parents , and it goes like this. Joshua Morris b 1/11/1810 married 2/9/1834 to Elizabeth Thomas b1810 from Carmarthen and at 1851 census at Llammas st with the following children David bap 12/2/1832 , Llangynin Carm, Elizabeth bap 23/111833 St Clears Carm, John Bap 17/6/1835 St Clears Carm. and of course Joshua Lewis bap 21/3/1841 ? he is my g grandfather He married 1/4/1867 to Mary Ann Williams , b 22/4/1847 at NewbridgeRegistry Carm , only dau of Bethuel Williams lived in Aberdare at 1851 census. Joshua Lewis migrated to Australia 1878 arrived feb. I need to track down his siblings (I beleive some of them migrated to colorado USA) can anyone help I need to find his fathers siblings Mary bap 3/4/1807 David bap 19/12/1813 Samuel bap20/10/1816 died Samuel b 18/7/1818 Margaret b 24/4/1821 bap 6/5/1821 William Bap 5/6/1825( in 1851 census he was living with his mother Mary nee Richartd b 1782/3 Carm I believe the father was David Morris b 5/ 1776 they married at Llannon 5/2/1808. and of course if there are any links to David and Margaret I would be delighted to hear. Trust the list members or you Pauline can help I have the proverbial brick wall here . Regards to you all . Trevor Morris Gerard