Hi Ken You do know pre 1837 that there are no fathers names or occupation on the marriage entries.........you would have to obtain that marriage from Swansea Record Office in Oystermouth, not the registry office as registration did not begin until June 1837...... Being as you state she said she was from Llangyfelach I would favour that one too.......Llanrhidian is in the Gower peninsular. Perhaps the baptism I found was not your John Robert/s, it was the only one I came across for that period......do you have him in 1861 census.....perhaps he gave a different age..... Whilst indexing St Peters Carmarthen I have come across entries where the father and mother are the same for a few children but still not married.....I always index in both fathers surname and mothers surname in case the child took either name.......it is surprising how many children were born out of wedlock......the Militia were in Carmarthen at the time I am indexing 1816/1817 quite a few of the Militiamen are fathering illigitmate children, wonder what happened to the mother and child when they had to return to where-ever with the militia.......the local surgeon is also fathering illig children too........ Constant Cellan.....unsure about that, according to my info Cellan is in Cardiganshire.......perhaps someone else knows who knows the area? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken roberts" <drdl16403@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] John ROBERTS > Hi Pauline > > Thank you very much, It has given me a lot to ponder on. It is most > unfortunate that both the John ROBERTS married a Catherine MORGAN, I > rather like the marriage in Llangefelach, I'll send for the marriage cert. > > I'll let you know how I get on > > John ROBERTS was a collier in Glamorgan, but as he migrated from > Carmarthenshire he could have quite easily have been an Ag Lab. I have > felt for some time that John did not move to Glamorgan alone, because in > the Swansea area there are a number of Roberts families (as yet > unconnected with mine, I have all his children and grandchildren accounted > for), yet these families have very similar Christian names with an age > group that could make them cousins, so I have been looking for a brother > for John, but if he is illegitimate that closes that line. > > > One other problem that has plagued me for some time is CONSTANT CELLAN, > this is shown on a birth cert of 1855 (where born), I am aware of the > CELLAN part, but where is Constant, Reg district : Lampeter, Sub district: > Pencarreg, in the county of Cardigan and Carmarthen. > > I have looked on many maps, It doesn't look as though it is a village, so > must be a dwelling (farm, institute, hospital ?) > > regards > > ken > > Stourbridge > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >

Hi Pauline Thanks again for the info. In 1861 Catherine ROBERTS (Head) was a widow. I had overlooked the lack of occupation pre 1837. I have the Swansea RO details, I have found them very helpful. regards Ken

Hi Anna i looked in the book' Story of Carmarthen' but it was not listed there ........what info do you have and what do you want to know...... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <AnnaDinahThomas@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] quiet list > Hi Pauline > > Do you know anything about Prosser & Son of Lammas Street, Carmarthen? I > found a Daniel Thomas connected to Prosser's Warehouse and Prosser & Son > in the > 1830 Pigots Directory. I was wondering if this is where my elusive > Prosser/Thomas link comes in. > > TIA > Anna > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Ken I was just going to ask that question..... They did not marry in Carmarthenshire, I have two possible ones in Glamorganshire.... 1820 8th Feb Llangyfelach parish church John Roberts parish Llansamlet and Catherine Morgan Llangyfelach 1824 24 Nov Llanrhidian parish church John Roberts parish Loughor and Catherine Morgan Llanrhidian. I looked in Llandeilo fawr baptisms I found one but looks like he was illigitimate.... 1798 December 2nd Llandeilo fawr John reputed of John Robert by Elizabeth Griffith think it was John or Johnathan as it was abreviated to Jno..... When you become a member you will have access to the online indexes that we have prepared for 2006.........we also have a list like this but for members only, and it is busier than this one.......so you can look for information yourself from many sources.... let me know what you think of the above.... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "ken roberts" <drdl16403@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 6:39 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Quiet list > Hi Pauline > > I should have added that all of John ROBERTS's children were born in > Swansea, the eldest being William b.1826. > > > regards > > ken > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hi Pauline Thank you very much, It has given me a lot to ponder on. It is most unfortunate that both the John ROBERTS married a Catherine MORGAN, I rather like the marriage in Llangefelach, I'll send for the marriage cert. I'll let you know how I get on John ROBERTS was a collier in Glamorgan, but as he migrated from Carmarthenshire he could have quite easily have been an Ag Lab. I have felt for some time that John did not move to Glamorgan alone, because in the Swansea area there are a number of Roberts families (as yet unconnected with mine, I have all his children and grandchildren accounted for), yet these families have very similar Christian names with an age group that could make them cousins, so I have been looking for a brother for John, but if he is illegitimate that closes that line. One other problem that has plagued me for some time is CONSTANT CELLAN, this is shown on a birth cert of 1855 (where born), I am aware of the CELLAN part, but where is Constant, Reg district : Lampeter, Sub district: Pencarreg, in the county of Cardigan and Carmarthen. I have looked on many maps, It doesn't look as though it is a village, so must be a dwelling (farm, institute, hospital ?) regards ken Stourbridge

Hi Pat firstly yes, Llangan has arrived, sorry did not tell you...... Welcome back after two weeks away, hope you had a nice time.... Saw an email from you here yesterday re William Powell........can see one from you now on the members pages too..... The lists are not very busy at the moment, no idea why ...perhaps no-one is doing family history at the moment, I know hundreds are subscribed....but do not seem to have any questions, or anything to share with us... welcome back Pat......Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Powell" <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] To the list and for Pauline > Hello Listers > > I have been off the list mostly for the last 2 weeks - just to let you > know I am back in circulation again!!! > > If any of you are waiting replies from me could you please send to me > again. > > I have sent some e-mails testerday and today but not received any > replies so I'm hoping you are all "hearing me" > > Pauline - did you get the 1841 Llangan that I sent last night? > > I'm not chasing a reply - just making sure it arrived OK - if not I can > send it again. > > Bye for now > > Pat > > > > -- > Pat Powell > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Pauline I should have added that all of John ROBERTS's children were born in Swansea, the eldest being William b.1826. regards ken

Hi Pauline I am new to the Carmarthen list, though I have been lurking, but before asking for help I was waiting until I became a member in October, I have found that new members to a FHS get an awful lot of information that allows them to work out their problems for themselves, and that's where the fun is (isn't it ?). All my closer ROBERTS ancestors were from Glamorgan but I am now getting into Carmarthen. I am trying to find a John Roberts c. 1799 Llandeilo married to a Catherine b. 1796 Llangafelach, the 1841 census shows he was living in Weig Village Swansea age 40, the 51 census gives age 52. his children were William, John, David, Daniel, Griffiths, Catherine and Thomas. So my first problem in Carmarthen is to find his parents, birth cert and marriage cert. I have other ancestors from Carmarthenshire, but they will keep for another day. regards ken roberts

Hello Listers I have been off the list mostly for the last 2 weeks - just to let you know I am back in circulation again!!! If any of you are waiting replies from me could you please send to me again. I have sent some e-mails testerday and today but not received any replies so I'm hoping you are all "hearing me" Pauline - did you get the 1841 Llangan that I sent last night? I'm not chasing a reply - just making sure it arrived OK - if not I can send it again. Bye for now Pat -- Pat Powell

Lyn Looked for William Powell from 1826 to 1830 could not see him there... William Powell was murdered 1770 so he could not be his father.......the book said that he only had 2 daughters..... What information do you have for us to help you......give us what you have .....it does make searching easier if we know who to look for.. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > Hi Lyn > > Do you know where he would have been baptised......do you think Llandeilo > fawr? If so I can look there Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > > >> Thanks very much for your help Pauline it is really interesting. >> >> I need to find the parents of a William POWELL who was born in 1828 and >> migrated to Tasmania around 1840-1850. I was always told he was the son >> of the murdered William POWELL but this can't be so as there is a 58 year >> gap. >> >> I am not sure where to search next. >> >> Thanks >> >> Lyn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:43 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >> >> >>> Found this under Glanarth.....according to the murder write up William >>> Powell was a gentleman.....extract from Carmarthenshire Homes and Their >>> Families.... >>> >>> .................Much later in 1758 William Powell gent, natural son of >>> William Powell of Llanerch Bledri married Catherine daughter of John >>> Bowen of Gurrey near Llandeilo. His putative father left him all his >>> estate; and after a while he left Llanerch Bledri and settled at >>> Glanareth. He was murdered in his parlour in 1770. The widow later >>> married Cyprian Randeau Bunce of Canterbury, but was again a widow in >>> 1783, then living in Hereford. William Powell left two daughters and >>> coheirs - Catherine who in 1777 married John Lucas of Stouthall, >>> Glamorgan, and Anne. It was after the murder of 1770 that Glanareth >>> mansion was abondoned. In 1841 Glanareth farm was ownd by one John >>> Samuel with William Griffiths as tenant. >>> >>> Hope this helps......Pauline >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >>> >>> >>>> Yes Pauline that sounds like them. >>>> >>>> Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales >>>> William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales >>>> Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales >>>> Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales >>>> I found this on the IGI >>>> >>>> In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place >>>> Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire >>>> Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL. >>>> >>>> This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here. >>>> >>>> An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the >>>> internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder >>>> of William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Lyn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Lyn >>>>> >>>>> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned >>>>> a William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database >>>>> is this them? >>>>> >>>>> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms >>>>> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr >>>>> >>>>> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you >>>>> need to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be >>>>> possibly filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813. >>>>> >>>>> Pauline >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM >>>>> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Everyone >>>>>> >>>>>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he >>>>>> is an ancestor of mine. >>>>>> >>>>>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS >>>>>> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never >>>>>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL, >>>>>> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's. >>>>>> >>>>>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who >>>>>> migrated to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on >>>>>> investigation this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in >>>>>> 1770 and the second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap >>>>>> of 58 years. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a >>>>>> daughter Anne born about 1754. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lyn Taylor >>>>>> Western Australia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & >>>>>> Information >>>>>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Lyn Do you know where he would have been baptised......do you think Llandeilo fawr? If so I can look there Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > Thanks very much for your help Pauline it is really interesting. > > I need to find the parents of a William POWELL who was born in 1828 and > migrated to Tasmania around 1840-1850. I was always told he was the son > of the murdered William POWELL but this can't be so as there is a 58 year > gap. > > I am not sure where to search next. > > Thanks > > Lyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > > >> Found this under Glanarth.....according to the murder write up William >> Powell was a gentleman.....extract from Carmarthenshire Homes and Their >> Families.... >> >> .................Much later in 1758 William Powell gent, natural son of >> William Powell of Llanerch Bledri married Catherine daughter of John >> Bowen of Gurrey near Llandeilo. His putative father left him all his >> estate; and after a while he left Llanerch Bledri and settled at >> Glanareth. He was murdered in his parlour in 1770. The widow later >> married Cyprian Randeau Bunce of Canterbury, but was again a widow in >> 1783, then living in Hereford. William Powell left two daughters and >> coheirs - Catherine who in 1777 married John Lucas of Stouthall, >> Glamorgan, and Anne. It was after the murder of 1770 that Glanareth >> mansion was abondoned. In 1841 Glanareth farm was ownd by one John >> Samuel with William Griffiths as tenant. >> >> Hope this helps......Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >> >> >>> Yes Pauline that sounds like them. >>> >>> Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales >>> William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales >>> Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales >>> Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales >>> I found this on the IGI >>> >>> In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place >>> Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire >>> Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL. >>> >>> This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here. >>> >>> An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the >>> internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder of >>> William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Lyn >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >>> >>> >>>> Hi Lyn >>>> >>>> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned >>>> a William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database >>>> is this them? >>>> >>>> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms >>>> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr >>>> >>>> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you >>>> need to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be >>>> possibly filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813. >>>> >>>> Pauline >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM >>>> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dear Everyone >>>>> >>>>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he >>>>> is an ancestor of mine. >>>>> >>>>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS >>>>> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. >>>>> >>>>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never >>>>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL, >>>>> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's. >>>>> >>>>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who >>>>> migrated to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on >>>>> investigation this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in >>>>> 1770 and the second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap >>>>> of 58 years. >>>>> >>>>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a >>>>> daughter Anne born about 1754. >>>>> >>>>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap. >>>>> >>>>> Lyn Taylor >>>>> Western Australia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >>>>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Pauline I have the name Daniel Thomas from a lady who's trying to find out about a Dr E M Prosser Thomas. I searched the Pigots Directory for 1830 looking for Thomas and found a Daniel Thomas who appeared to work at Prosser's Warehouse in Lammas Street. I also found Prosser & Son in the same street. My husband's grandfather Tom Prosser Thomas was shown as living in Tenby at the time of his marriage in 1915. His father was given as William Prosser Thomas, engineer. The closest I've come to a William Prosser Thomas, engineer is a son living with his father Thomas Thomas, tailor. William and one of his siblings is shown as engineers. This family were living in Green, St Mary's Pembroke. I've been unable to trace William beyond 1881 and Tom from before his marriage in Cornwall. I know there were members of Tom Prosser Thomas's family living in Ystalyfera, Glamorgan . When I saw Thomas and Prosser in Lammas Street it occurrred to me that perhaps the Prosser Thomas could have come about through marriage. It could equally be, I suppose one branch of the family dropping the 'Prosser'. This is proving more difficult than my great grandfather John Davies! Regards Anna

I am currently indexing St Peters Carmarthen baptisms, (finished the burials) and I know that Richard collects Stedman Thomas names 1818 19th November St Peters Carmarthen Jane Stedman dau William and Dorothy Thomas of Guildhall Square, Draper hope he is still subscribed.......is this one of your Stedman's?? Pauline

Hello, Diana, Thank you for all the information you sent. To answer your question, the first knowledge I have is from the 1841 and 1851 census of Gloucestershire, England, which lists the birthplace of WILLIAM EDWARDS as "Llanelity, Glamorgan, Wales" In 1851 he was 34 years of age and his occupation was Blacksmith. On June 27, 1847, he married Eliza Davis of Chaxhill, Gloucestershire. He passed away between the years of 1861 and 1871 and is buried in St. John's Churchyard in Cinderford, Gloucestershire. One census lists the birthplace of his brother, thomas, as "Caermarthen, Llanethly, Wales". This is about all that I know, so not having anymore information on his birthplace, it looks as if I have come up against one of those "brick walls", but I don't want to give up on my search. I truly appreciate all the help you give to me. Bet regards, Jane in Cal. ,

Hi Pauline Do you know anything about Prosser & Son of Lammas Street, Carmarthen? I found a Daniel Thomas connected to Prosser's Warehouse and Prosser & Son in the 1830 Pigots Directory. I was wondering if this is where my elusive Prosser/Thomas link comes in. TIA Anna

FAO Jane in Cal Hello Jane - I wonder from where you have got his birth information. Mostly it is baptism dates that you can get. Sometimes I have found the birth information written on the baptism entry but not always. I have looked on the St. Eli Llanelly parish register of births and there is no William Edward baptised on the 27th February 1817 in that church. You need to know the town or village in which William Edward was born. Pauline I think told me that St. Eli church was the main church in Llanelly. I would ask Pauline if he is in the non conformist records of Llanelly. If he is there the best way to obtain a birth or marriage entry pre 1837 is if you email archives@carmarthenshire.gov.uk and give them the name and the date of birth and the place of birth ie Llanelly Carmarmarthenshire (?) you can get a copy of the entry of birth. The other way I have gone about it is to pay for a couple of hours search - but again you need to know the area for them to research. When I do it I phone them and pay by credit card but I guess that is more difficult for you. The copies are very cheap but they do have a minimum charge. You will have to ask them in the email how you should pay. with best wishes Diana

Yes Pauline that sounds like them. Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales I found this on the IGI In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL. This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here. An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder of William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770. Regards Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > Hi Lyn > > Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned a > William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database is > this them? > > 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms > William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr > > not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you need > to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be possibly > filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813. > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM > Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > > >> Dear Everyone >> >> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he is >> an ancestor of mine. >> >> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS >> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. >> >> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never >> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL, >> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's. >> >> It has always been believed in the family that the William who migrated >> to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on investigation >> this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in 1770 and the >> second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap of 58 years. >> >> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a daughter >> Anne born about 1754. >> >> Can anyone help me fill in this gap. >> >> Lyn Taylor >> Western Australia >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >

Hello Vicki, I have just arrived home after a weekend away; I will search the Carmarthen IGI for you tomorrow and get back to you. Regards Jenny -----Original Message----- From: Vickie [mailto:vben5029@bigpond.net.au] Sent: 16 September 2005 14:55 To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] IGI FOR CARMARTHENSHIRE Hi Jennifer, I have Walter Jones born 1777 Kidwelly. Carmarthenshire married Tabitha Daniells Chaplain born 1782 Carmarthen. Eglwys. Cymmin. Wales. They married 1807 Carmarthen Llandefaelog and had 9 children born Carmarthen Llandefaelog between 1807 and 1827 before migrating to Western Australia. I am particularly looking for the parents and grandparents of Walter Jones and Tabitha Chaplain and any other information I can get on this family. Regards Vickie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Rapps" <jennifer.rapps@ntlworld.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] IGI FOR CARMARTHENSHIRE > Hello Lister, > > I would just to offer my help with the IGI for Carmarthenshire, I was > fortunate enough to buy them on E-bay a few ago, if anyone needs any help > with look ups please get back to me. > > > > Regards to all. > > Jenny > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk

Dear Everyone The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he is an ancestor of mine. It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL, also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's. It has always been believed in the family that the William who migrated to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on investigation this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in 1770 and the second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap of 58 years. I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a daughter Anne born about 1754. Can anyone help me fill in this gap. Lyn Taylor Western Australia