Hi List, May have sent this previous but not to list. l and had some help from Pauline off list due to my new email address not working I hope it is now. I am looking for the place of Birth of William THOMAS he Married Elizabeth ROBERTS in 1815 at Cilycwm. He lived in and around Llanfair ar Bryn had children Charlotte 1816, Thomas 1817, Jane 1819, John 1821, Robert 1822 [Died1827] Mary 1824, Iasaac 1826, David 1824 and Robert 1835. [Another Robert 1827] It is in the family bible that William Thomas Vipond dropped the Vipond and used the name William Thomas when he married Elizabeth Roberts in 1815. Viponds are in the area from about 1754 but not many Males christenings or Deaths which makes me wonder if they are in non conformist records. As William had a son born 1835 their must be a chance that the family are around on the 1841 list. It would be very significant if William's Birth was in the County of Carmarthen [or even more if elsware!!!] Would it be possible for a look up on the 1841 or 1851 census [Pauline could not find them on the 1851 census] to see what Parish or County he was born in? The children were all born in Llanfair ar Bryn I cannot find William or Elizabeth on the 1861 census but can possibly find some of the Children. Any help would be very much appreciated. David Thomas

----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 1:33 PM Subject: DAVIS I am new to this list and am researching my GGGrandmother MARY DAVIS. Mary arrived in Tasmania (Australia) as a convict, on the "Emma Eugenia" which left Woolwich on 24th November 1841, she was 18 and had been convicted of the theft of an apron and a pair of stockings , She was tried at Glamorgan Quarter Sessions ,she received 7 years for this crime and was transported, she came under an assumed name of Mary Evans and there is evidence she gave birth to a child, but no trace of this child has been found, she later married another convict John Peter Murray and so the family grew........................... Mary's Mother was Elizabeth and she had two brothers John and David also a sister Rachel ,no father listed or found so I am assuming he had passed on by the date Mary was convicted. I would like to find out where she came from and if there are decendants of this family. I am on a very limited budget so any help would be very gratefully received, I am also more than willing to share all the information I have on Mary's decendants and her life in Australia. thank you Suzanne in Australia suzyq4@bigpond.com

thank you Pauline Suzanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] To Pauline > Hi Suzanne > > I forwarded your message from my computer, it is under my headings so that > your contact email address was on the message.......you can resend if you > wish, but it is there.... > > thanks and welcome > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzanne" <suzyq4@bigpond.com.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:57 AM > Subject: [Cmn-L] To Pauline > > > > Sorry about that Pauline , do I have to re submit my message again? re > > Mary davies? > > Suzanne > > suzyq4@bigpond.com > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed from this mailing list > >

Sorry about that Pauline , do I have to re submit my message again? re Mary davies? Suzanne suzyq4@bigpond.com

Hi Suzanne I forwarded your message from my computer, it is under my headings so that your contact email address was on the message.......you can resend if you wish, but it is there.... thanks and welcome Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne" <suzyq4@bigpond.com.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 11:57 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] To Pauline > Sorry about that Pauline , do I have to re submit my message again? re > Mary davies? > Suzanne > suzyq4@bigpond.com > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Any further info/photos/reminiscences about this Second World War base. Thanking you in anticipation for your help. Ronald John Saunders

sorry Susanne you sent your message before I added you to the 'accept' list......I do that to prevent spammers.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Suzanne" <suzyq4@bigpond.com.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 5:33 AM Subject: {not a subscriber} DAVIS >I am new to this list and am researching my GGGrandmother MARY DAVIS. > Mary arrived in Tasmania (Australia) as a convict, on the "Emma Eugenia" > which left Woolwich on 24th November 1841, she was 18 and had been > convicted of the theft of an apron and a pair of stockings , She was tried > at Glamorgan Quarter Sessions ,she received 7 years for this crime and was > transported, she came under an assumed name of Mary Evans and there is > evidence she gave birth to a child, but no trace of this child has been > found, she later married another convict John Peter Murray and so the > family grew........................... > Mary's Mother was Elizabeth and she had two brothers John and David also a > sister Rachel ,no father listed or found so I am assuming he had passed on > by the date Mary was convicted. > I would like to find out where she came from and if there are decendants > of this family. > I am on a very limited budget so any help would be very gratefully > received, I am also more than willing to share all the information I have > on Mary's decendants and her life in Australia. > thank you > Suzanne in Australia > suzyq4@bigpond.com > >

Hi David I only have burials that took place in Llanybydder parish church, he is not listed as buried there so sorry cannot help you......have you tried in the registry office for a death certificate........email contact address is Registrars@carmarthenshire.gov.uk Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hopkin" <david@hopkin5838.fsnet.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 10:19 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Evan Davies or Davis >I am wondering whether it is possible to look up Llanybydder burials or >deaths for Evan Davies or Davis between 1856 and 1861.i have no further >information on himexcpt that he died during this period and lived in the >area. > many thanks > david > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

I am wondering whether it is possible to look up Llanybydder burials or deaths for Evan Davies or Davis between 1856 and 1861.i have no further information on himexcpt that he died during this period and lived in the area. many thanks david

Hi Jane - that is ok - I was transcribing anyway so it was no trouble. The ones I gave you were the only ones with a William in the family so it may be a relation maybe time will tell. with best wishes Diana

Hello Diana, Thank you for your early reply. Somehow, I was hoping that the 1841 census of Llanelly might provide the names of WILLIAM EDWARDS' parents. But, as I think about it now, I realize there would be no way of determining who his parents were, from the census. I apologize if I caused you excessive searching - I guess in our eagerness to learn more about our families, we don't always think as clearly as we should. (At least this applies to me in this case.) Again, I am sorry about this and will try to think things out before I make any future requests. Many thanks, again. Best regards, Jane in Cal.

Hi Anna Have you seen this marriage? 1802 26th December St Peters Carmarthen Thomas Thomas and Margaret Prosser could be a start ........perhaps the children were not baptised with the middle name Prosser but adopted it at a later stage........that is what my own grandfather done because his name was David Thomas to distinguish himself from all the other Dai's in the Llanelly area!! Pauline Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <AnnaDinahThomas@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] quiet list > Hi Pauline > > I have the name Daniel Thomas from a lady who's trying to find out about a > Dr E M Prosser Thomas. I searched the Pigots Directory for 1830 looking > for > Thomas and found a Daniel Thomas who appeared to work at Prosser's > Warehouse > in Lammas Street. I also found Prosser & Son in the same street. My > husband's grandfather Tom Prosser Thomas was shown as living in Tenby at > the time of > his marriage in 1915. His father was given as William Prosser Thomas, > engineer. The closest I've come to a William Prosser Thomas, engineer is > a son > living with his father Thomas Thomas, tailor. William and one of his > siblings > is shown as engineers. This family were living in Green, St Mary's > Pembroke. > I've been unable to trace William beyond 1881 and Tom from before his > marriage in Cornwall. I know there were members of Tom Prosser Thomas's > family > living in Ystalyfera, Glamorgan . When I saw Thomas and Prosser in > Lammas > Street it occurrred to me that perhaps the Prosser Thomas could have come > about > through marriage. It could equally be, I suppose one branch of the > family > dropping the 'Prosser'. > > This is proving more difficult than my great grandfather John Davies! > > Regards > Anna > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Hello Jane - thanks for the email. I thought you had said that William Edwards was in Llanelly in 1841 - no wonder I couldn't find him. There are a few Edward/s families there but I did not take any notice of any that were not William Edwards. Which Edward/s do you want to find in Llanelly in 1841? with best wishes Diana

Hi Pauline Thanks for that. It gives me something to look for. If I can find a William and connect the family to Carmarthenshire then this would make things easier as it's where my own earlier research is. This would give impetus to the idea of a holiday in Carmarthen where I could attempt to kill two birds with one stone! I hadn't thought of dropping a name to distinguish one very common family surname from another! Anna

Can anyone advise me on where to get Army information i.e.Regiment or list of personnel. I have discovered some relatives were based in Newport in 1850 and dont seem to be able to get any further regards Marie

Yes that is what I am trying to find out. There is a 58 year gap between murdered William Powell and the William Powell who migrated to Tasmania, and who was born in Wales in 1828. and now I have found out the murdered William only had two daughters. I need to find the second Williams parents but don't seem to have enough information. I know William Powell was born in Wales in 1828 and migrated to Tasmania somewhere between 1840-50 most likely in the late 40's or early 50's . He married Mary Ann Brown in 1853 but that was in Tasmania. Thank you very much for trying I do appreciate it and you have given me information I did not have. I started the search with family information believing the first William was the father of the second William but now I know that cannot be so. Kind Regards Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > Lyn > > Looked for William Powell from 1826 to 1830 could not see him there... > > William Powell was murdered 1770 so he could not be his father.......the > book said that he only had 2 daughters..... > > What information do you have for us to help you......give us what you have > .....it does make searching easier if we know who to look for.. > > Pauline > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > > >> Hi Lyn >> >> Do you know where he would have been baptised......do you think Llandeilo >> fawr? If so I can look there Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 2:30 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >> >> >>> Thanks very much for your help Pauline it is really interesting. >>> >>> I need to find the parents of a William POWELL who was born in 1828 and >>> migrated to Tasmania around 1840-1850. I was always told he was the son >>> of the murdered William POWELL but this can't be so as there is a 58 >>> year gap. >>> >>> I am not sure where to search next. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Lyn >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:43 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >>> >>> >>>> Found this under Glanarth.....according to the murder write up William >>>> Powell was a gentleman.....extract from Carmarthenshire Homes and Their >>>> Families.... >>>> >>>> .................Much later in 1758 William Powell gent, natural son of >>>> William Powell of Llanerch Bledri married Catherine daughter of John >>>> Bowen of Gurrey near Llandeilo. His putative father left him all his >>>> estate; and after a while he left Llanerch Bledri and settled at >>>> Glanareth. He was murdered in his parlour in 1770. The widow later >>>> married Cyprian Randeau Bunce of Canterbury, but was again a widow in >>>> 1783, then living in Hereford. William Powell left two daughters and >>>> coheirs - Catherine who in 1777 married John Lucas of Stouthall, >>>> Glamorgan, and Anne. It was after the murder of 1770 that Glanareth >>>> mansion was abondoned. In 1841 Glanareth farm was ownd by one John >>>> Samuel with William Griffiths as tenant. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps......Pauline >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:16 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >>>> >>>> >>>>> Yes Pauline that sounds like them. >>>>> >>>>> Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales >>>>> William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales >>>>> Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales >>>>> Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales >>>>> I found this on the IGI >>>>> >>>>> In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 >>>>> Place Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire >>>>> Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL. >>>>> >>>>> This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here. >>>>> >>>>> An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the >>>>> internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder >>>>> of William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Lyn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Lyn >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you >>>>>> mentioned a William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my >>>>>> marriage database is this them? >>>>>> >>>>>> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms >>>>>> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr >>>>>> >>>>>> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you >>>>>> need to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be >>>>>> possibly filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pauline >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >>>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM >>>>>> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Everyone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think >>>>>>> he is an ancestor of mine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the >>>>>>> POWELLS migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never >>>>>>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another >>>>>>> POWELL, also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or >>>>>>> early 50's. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who >>>>>>> migrated to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on >>>>>>> investigation this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in >>>>>>> 1770 and the second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap >>>>>>> of 58 years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a >>>>>>> daughter Anne born about 1754. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lyn Taylor >>>>>>> Western Australia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & >>>>>>> Information >>>>>>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >

Thanks very much for your help Pauline it is really interesting. I need to find the parents of a William POWELL who was born in 1828 and migrated to Tasmania around 1840-1850. I was always told he was the son of the murdered William POWELL but this can't be so as there is a 58 year gap. I am not sure where to search next. Thanks Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > Found this under Glanarth.....according to the murder write up William > Powell was a gentleman.....extract from Carmarthenshire Homes and Their > Families.... > > .................Much later in 1758 William Powell gent, natural son of > William Powell of Llanerch Bledri married Catherine daughter of John Bowen > of Gurrey near Llandeilo. His putative father left him all his estate; > and after a while he left Llanerch Bledri and settled at Glanareth. He > was murdered in his parlour in 1770. The widow later married Cyprian > Randeau Bunce of Canterbury, but was again a widow in 1783, then living in > Hereford. William Powell left two daughters and coheirs - Catherine who in > 1777 married John Lucas of Stouthall, Glamorgan, and Anne. It was after > the murder of 1770 that Glanareth mansion was abondoned. In 1841 > Glanareth farm was ownd by one John Samuel with William Griffiths as > tenant. > > Hope this helps......Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > > >> Yes Pauline that sounds like them. >> >> Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales >> William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales >> Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales >> Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales >> I found this on the IGI >> >> In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place >> Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire >> Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL. >> >> This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here. >> >> An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the >> internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder of >> William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770. >> >> Regards >> >> Lyn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >> >> >>> Hi Lyn >>> >>> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned a >>> William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database is >>> this them? >>> >>> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms >>> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr >>> >>> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you need >>> to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be possibly >>> filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813. >>> >>> Pauline >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM >>> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >>> >>> >>>> Dear Everyone >>>> >>>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he >>>> is an ancestor of mine. >>>> >>>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS >>>> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. >>>> >>>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never >>>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL, >>>> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's. >>>> >>>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who migrated >>>> to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on investigation >>>> this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in 1770 and the >>>> second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap of 58 years. >>>> >>>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a >>>> daughter Anne born about 1754. >>>> >>>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap. >>>> >>>> Lyn Taylor >>>> Western Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >>>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >

Yes Pauline this is her. Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > Hi Lyn > > I am lucky enough to have access to parish registers for Llandeilo > fawr....not the IGI actual parish registers > > 1734 18th June Llandeilo fawr parish church > Katherine dau of John Bowen Esq and Anne > > Is this her? Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > > >> Yes Pauline that sounds like them. >> >> Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales >> William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales >> Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales >> Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales >> I found this on the IGI >> >> In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place >> Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire >> Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL. >> >> This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here. >> >> An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the >> internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder of >> William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770. >> >> Regards >> >> Lyn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >> >> >>> Hi Lyn >>> >>> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned a >>> William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database is >>> this them? >>> >>> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms >>> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr >>> >>> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you need >>> to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be possibly >>> filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813. >>> >>> Pauline >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM >>> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >>> >>> >>>> Dear Everyone >>>> >>>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he >>>> is an ancestor of mine. >>>> >>>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS >>>> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. >>>> >>>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never >>>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL, >>>> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's. >>>> >>>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who migrated >>>> to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on investigation >>>> this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in 1770 and the >>>> second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap of 58 years. >>>> >>>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a >>>> daughter Anne born about 1754. >>>> >>>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap. >>>> >>>> Lyn Taylor >>>> Western Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >>>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >

Pauli The story in the family is that William WILLIAMS claimed to be an illigitimate son and so wanted to inherit the Powell fortune. Another story I read is that WILLIAMS wanted POWELLS wife. I don'tknow anything about a letter of administration . Yjanks Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > Lyn > > Could be them as Bethlehem is either in Llangadog or Llanddeusant > neighbouring parishes of Llandeilo fawr....Glanareth could be the name of > a property......do you know why he was murdered.......what account was > given on it, may be a few little clues there. Was there a letter of > administation after his death do you know? > > The IGI only contains the bishops transcripts not the actual parish > registers, some are even donated by relatives, in that instance the > infomation is guesswork..... > > I will see if I can see Catherine/Katherine Bowen's baptism in Llandeilo > fawr...... > > Pauline > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire > > >> Yes Pauline that sounds like them. >> >> Katherine Bowen was born 18 Jun 1734 Llandilo Fawr, Carmarthen, Wales >> William Powell born about 1730 Carmarthen Wales >> Marriage about 1753 Carmarthen Wales >> Daughter Anne born about 1754 Carmarthen Wales >> I found this on the IGI >> >> In a report on GENUKI : Welsh Murders it says Period 1769/1770 Place >> Glanareth, Bethlehem, Carmarthenshire >> Could Glanareth be the name of the property owned by William POWELL. >> >> This is all I know and I don't know where to look from here. >> >> An account of the trial of the conspirators in the murder is on the >> internet :- Early Modern Resources Wales and the Law Murder of >> William Powell Carmarthenshire 1770. >> >> Regards >> >> Lyn >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 9:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >> >> >>> Hi Lyn >>> >>> Do you know where in Carmarthenshire they were from......you mentioned a >>> William Powell and Katherine Bowen, I looked in my marriage database is >>> this them? >>> >>> 1758 10th March Llangadog/ock parish church Carms >>> William Powell of this parish and Catherine Bowen of Llandeilo Fawr >>> >>> not 1754 but close enough......what information do you have, as you need >>> to know where in Wales this took place, so that the gaps can be possibly >>> filled in...as most indexes do not begin until after 1813. >>> >>> Pauline >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "PR & LS Taylor" <ptaylor@esat.net.au> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 1:54 PM >>> Subject: [Cmn-L] William Powell o f C armarthenshire >>> >>> >>>> Dear Everyone >>>> >>>> The reason I am interested in the William POWELL murder is I think he >>>> is an ancestor of mine. >>>> >>>> It has always been believed in the family that the reason the POWELLS >>>> migrated to Tasmania was because of the murder. >>>> >>>> Apparently William POWELL'S, murderer William WILLIAMS, was never >>>> captured and vowed to kill all POWELLS. Consequently another POWELL, >>>> also William, migrated to Tasmania in the late 1840's or early 50's. >>>> >>>> It has always been believed in the family that the William who migrated >>>> to Tasmania was the son of the murdered William. But on investigation >>>> this cannot be so as the first William was murdered in 1770 and the >>>> second William wasn't born until 1828 so there is a gap of 58 years. >>>> >>>> I know that the first William and his wife Katherine Bowen had a >>>> daughter Anne born about 1754. >>>> >>>> Can anyone help me fill in this gap. >>>> >>>> Lyn Taylor >>>> Western Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >>>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > >

I mean Oystermouth Road in Swansea, not Oystermouth....sorry Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John ROBERTS > Hi Ken > > You do know pre 1837 that there are no fathers names or occupation on the > marriage entries.........you would have to obtain that marriage from > Swansea Record Office in Oystermouth, not the registry office as > registration did not begin until June 1837...... > > Being as you state she said she was from Llangyfelach I would favour that > one too.......Llanrhidian is in the Gower peninsular. > > Perhaps the baptism I found was not your John Robert/s, it was the only > one I came across for that period......do you have him in 1861 > census.....perhaps he gave a different age..... > > Whilst indexing St Peters Carmarthen I have come across entries where the > father and mother are the same for a few children but still not > married.....I always index in both fathers surname and mothers surname in > case the child took either name.......it is surprising how many children > were born out of wedlock......the Militia were in Carmarthen at the time I > am indexing 1816/1817 quite a few of the Militiamen are fathering > illigitmate children, wonder what happened to the mother and child when > they had to return to where-ever with the militia.......the local surgeon > is also fathering illig children too........ > > Constant Cellan.....unsure about that, according to my info Cellan is in > Cardiganshire.......perhaps someone else knows who knows the area? > > Pauline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ken roberts" <drdl16403@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 7:46 PM > Subject: [Cmn-L] John ROBERTS > > >> Hi Pauline >> >> Thank you very much, It has given me a lot to ponder on. It is most >> unfortunate that both the John ROBERTS married a Catherine MORGAN, I >> rather like the marriage in Llangefelach, I'll send for the marriage >> cert. >> >> I'll let you know how I get on >> >> John ROBERTS was a collier in Glamorgan, but as he migrated from >> Carmarthenshire he could have quite easily have been an Ag Lab. I have >> felt for some time that John did not move to Glamorgan alone, because in >> the Swansea area there are a number of Roberts families (as yet >> unconnected with mine, I have all his children and grandchildren >> accounted for), yet these families have very similar Christian names with >> an age group that could make them cousins, so I have been looking for a >> brother for John, but if he is illegitimate that closes that line. >> >> >> One other problem that has plagued me for some time is CONSTANT CELLAN, >> this is shown on a birth cert of 1855 (where born), I am aware of the >> CELLAN part, but where is Constant, Reg district : Lampeter, Sub >> district: Pencarreg, in the county of Cardigan and Carmarthen. >> >> I have looked on many maps, It doesn't look as though it is a village, so >> must be a dwelling (farm, institute, hospital ?) >> >> regards >> >> ken >> >> Stourbridge >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your >> PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed >> from this mailing list >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >