Hi Pauline Yes I do think now that this is my man - this John Lewis is my gggrandfather. Just one query - if you have the census for Pendine is it possible to comment on whether Backs was a house or a farm and can you say roughly how far it was from Ashwell farm? I am happy to close this issue down if you would care to comment off-list, Pauline Thanks for your help. Alan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re:John Lewis of Backs > Hi Alan > > Do you think the census I gave to you re Backs is the father of John > Lewis, I think so.....perhaps John Lewis junior was working in Ashwell > farm and that is where he met Mary Phyllips.......probably when he was > asked where he was from he said 'Backs' although living in > Ashwell....stranger things have happened....... > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Heard" <alan.heard2@btinternet.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:37 PM > Subject: [Cmn-L] Re:John Lewis of Backs > > >> >> I was very pleased to find offers of help with my query re the location >> Backs, the residence of John Lewis - further details have been requested >> by listers. >> >> The details on the certificate I have are: >> >> Church of Pendine, Carmarthenshire, Marriage >> March 13th 1851 John Lewis full age, bachelor, labourer,residence: >> Backs, father: John Lewis, farmer >> Mary Phyllips full age spinster, servant, >> residence: Ashwell, father: Enoch Phyllips, weaver >> Witnesses David Lewis, David Harries >> Reg. Dist: Narberth >> >> Additionally I have a record from Pendine Parish showing: >> Baptisms: >> >> 12.10.1845 John Lewis bapt illeg. child of John Lewis and Mary Phillips, >> Ashwell lab >> >> Is this the illeg. child of the above couple who subsequently married? >> If so why is the location of the child's father shown as Ashwell farm in >> 1845 but Backs in 1851? >> >> Without a doubt Ashwell Farm Pendine is the 'seat' of my Lewis family in >> the 2nd half of the 19th century. It's this reference to Backs that is >> throwing me. >> Was it just a house in Pendine? >> >> Again , grateful for the response to my enquiry - perhaps these details >> will generate more! >> >> Regards >> >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >

Hi Alan Do you think the census I gave to you re Backs is the father of John Lewis, I think so.....perhaps John Lewis junior was working in Ashwell farm and that is where he met Mary Phyllips.......probably when he was asked where he was from he said 'Backs' although living in Ashwell....stranger things have happened....... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Heard" <alan.heard2@btinternet.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:37 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Re:John Lewis of Backs > > I was very pleased to find offers of help with my query re the location > Backs, the residence of John Lewis - further details have been requested > by listers. > > The details on the certificate I have are: > > Church of Pendine, Carmarthenshire, Marriage > March 13th 1851 John Lewis full age, bachelor, labourer,residence: > Backs, father: John Lewis, farmer > Mary Phyllips full age spinster, servant, > residence: Ashwell, father: Enoch Phyllips, weaver > Witnesses David Lewis, David Harries > Reg. Dist: Narberth > > Additionally I have a record from Pendine Parish showing: > Baptisms: > > 12.10.1845 John Lewis bapt illeg. child of John Lewis and Mary Phillips, > Ashwell lab > > Is this the illeg. child of the above couple who subsequently married? If > so why is the location of the child's father shown as Ashwell farm in 1845 > but Backs in 1851? > > Without a doubt Ashwell Farm Pendine is the 'seat' of my Lewis family in > the 2nd half of the 19th century. It's this reference to Backs that is > throwing me. > Was it just a house in Pendine? > > Again , grateful for the response to my enquiry - perhaps these details > will generate more! > > Regards > > Alan > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Bill I am reading you loud and clear......you are subscribed so you should be able to use.....one person who contacted us yesterday found that he could not send his mail as he had 'blocked himself'......check that everything is okay on your side.....as you are on the list.....I can tell as you know I am list administrator thanks Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <Taffywilliam@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Testing > Thot I would test one more time(only one response last time from down > under) . Last three requests have received no responses. Probably time to > smell > the coffee and unsubscribe...... Bill > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hello Bill - I received your test - is there a problem? Diana

Hi Bill Why are you thinking of going? If you want a reply to your e-mail query of Thursday then hang on a bit. We have just had a weekend and most people go rather quiet on the list at the weekend!! I'll look at your query tomorrow. Pat In message <105.6ba0a947.308d5772@aol.com>, Taffywilliam@aol.com writes >Thot I would test one more time(only one response last time from down >under) . Last three requests have received no responses. Probably time to smell >the coffee and unsubscribe...... Bill > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > -- Pat Powell

Thanks for the tip, Pat. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Pat Powell [mailto:pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk] Sent: 23 October 2005 13:52 To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES Hello Dick According to "The History of the Methodists in Carmarthen" which I haave just indexed there were two well knowm brothers Thomas Charles and David Charles. In the section about Laugharne it states that they were born not far from that place. Could these be the Charles family you are referring to? I believe the timescale is about right. Cheers Pat In message <NFBBLIDDHLJPINLGOAPKOEDLCMAA.dickcoleman@btinternet.com>, Dick Coleman <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> writes >Hi listers > >I'm new to this list and seeking information on Sophia CHARLES, born about >1810 in Carmarthen. She is believed to have been a niece or great-niece of >Thomas CHARLES (1755-1814), the famous Methodist. About 1835 Sophia married >John PATRICK (c 1812-1864) of Lincoln and they established the Black Lion >Inn in Llanllwchaiarn/New Quay, Cardiganshire. Sophia died there in 1853. > >Can anybody help further? > >Dick > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > -- Pat Powell ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed from this mailing list

Hello Herschuel and all This has been a long task as it is a book absolutely packed with names!! The index can be found online at:- http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Methodist.html Re your question Hershuel:- I couldn't see any mention of a Daniel or a Samuel Howell. But that is not too surprising as Jerusalem , Gwynfe is not Methodist - It is Independent. Isn't Trecastle in Breconshire? Or is there another one in Carmarthen? Pat In message <000401c5d7e5$653630a0$94c32e45@HGHOWELL>, hhowell <hhowell@lakedalelink.net> writes >Hi Pat >You mentioned indexing the history of Methodists. Is there any reference to >Daniel or Samuel Howell? They might be associated with Jerusalem Church >near Gwynfe or the Saron Chapel near Trecastle. >Herschuel >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Pat Powell" <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> >To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 6:52 AM >Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > > >> Hello Dick >> >> According to "The History of the Methodists in Carmarthen" which I haave >> just indexed there were two well knowm brothers Thomas Charles and David >> Charles. >> >> In the section about Laugharne it states that they were born not far >> from that place. >> >> Could these be the Charles family you are referring to? I believe the >> timescale is about right. >> >> Cheers >> >> Pat -- Pat Powell

Thot I would test one more time(only one response last time from down under) . Last three requests have received no responses. Probably time to smell the coffee and unsubscribe...... Bill

Anybody who can help? _____ Van: E. Schreuder [mailto:e.schreuder7@chello.nl] Verzonden: vrijdag 21 oktober 2005 17:21 Aan: 'Pauline James' Onderwerp: zion chapel llanelli Hello Pauline, Tried to find baptism-record for my great-grandmother Phoebe Evans, born 21-10-1840 at Llanelli, Rhandir. Was told that Adulam and Zion records were together, but no sign of Evans relatives at all in the Adulam records. Any idea where to look next. Did Zion Chapel belong to another area? Think it is still having services. Anybody who knows of members there? Regards, Elwyn - netherlands

Hi Dick The only Sophia Charles I saw in the IGI was born 1799 Carmarthen St Peters, BUT this was an entry from a relative........not from a register.....no other Sophia Charles in the IGI I have on fiche.... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Coleman" <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:58 PM Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > Thanks Pauline. Yes, Sophia CHARLES was certainly non-conformist, in line > with the link to Thomas CHARLES. Her entry in the IGI is only her birth, > marriage & death dates, there's no baptism record. > > Dick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@onvol.net] > Sent: 23 October 2005 12:20 > To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > > > Hi Dick > > Perhaps they were non-conformists........the chapel registers are mainly > from 1813-1837 as the chapels did not have to 'hand' in their registers by > law except for these years.. > > Where in the IGI did it state Sophia Charles was baptised.......as the > non-conformists are on the IGI and bishops transcripts not the welsh > parish > registers... > > Yes, Charles is a popular name in Llanelly and Pembrey area.........I > myself > have a connection with Charles's from Burry, Pembrey parish.......they > were > not connected to the Minister though..... > > Pauline > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Coleman" <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:26 PM > Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > > >> Thanks for such a rapid response Pauline. >> >> I think it's Carmarthen Town, but not 100% sure. The 1851 census in New >> Quay >> says she was born in Carmarthen & was aged 39 (ie DOB 1812). Her age at >> death, 3 Nov 1853, is given as 44 (ie DOB 1809) acc to the NBI. A record >> on >> the IGI also suggests Carmarthen Town. >> >> I know from the IGI that there are other CHARLES family births in >> Llanelly, >> Carmarthen, do you have any list for that area? >> >> Thanks again >> >> Dick >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@onvol.net] >> Sent: 23 October 2005 10:38 >> To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES >> >> >> Hi Dick >> >> I have looked in Carmarthen St Peters from 1808-1812 and cannot see a >> Sophia >> Charles.....there are sons to a John and Elizabeth Charles being baptised >> in >> Carmathen but no Sophia >> >> Do you mean Carmarthen Town or Carmarthenshire? >> >> Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dick Coleman" <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:08 AM >> Subject: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES >> >> >>> Hi listers >>> >>> I'm new to this list and seeking information on Sophia CHARLES, born >>> about >>> 1810 in Carmarthen. She is believed to have been a niece or great-niece >>> of >>> Thomas CHARLES (1755-1814), the famous Methodist. About 1835 Sophia >>> married >>> John PATRICK (c 1812-1864) of Lincoln and they established the Black >>> Lion >>> Inn in Llanllwchaiarn/New Quay, Cardiganshire. Sophia died there in >>> 1853. >>> >>> Can anybody help further? >>> >>> Dick >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your >> PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed >> from this mailing list >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Hello Dick According to "The History of the Methodists in Carmarthen" which I haave just indexed there were two well knowm brothers Thomas Charles and David Charles. In the section about Laugharne it states that they were born not far from that place. Could these be the Charles family you are referring to? I believe the timescale is about right. Cheers Pat In message <NFBBLIDDHLJPINLGOAPKOEDLCMAA.dickcoleman@btinternet.com>, Dick Coleman <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> writes >Hi listers > >I'm new to this list and seeking information on Sophia CHARLES, born about >1810 in Carmarthen. She is believed to have been a niece or great-niece of >Thomas CHARLES (1755-1814), the famous Methodist. About 1835 Sophia married >John PATRICK (c 1812-1864) of Lincoln and they established the Black Lion >Inn in Llanllwchaiarn/New Quay, Cardiganshire. Sophia died there in 1853. > >Can anybody help further? > >Dick > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > -- Pat Powell

I was very pleased to find offers of help with my query re the location Backs, the residence of John Lewis - further details have been requested by listers. The details on the certificate I have are: Church of Pendine, Carmarthenshire, Marriage March 13th 1851 John Lewis full age, bachelor, labourer,residence: Backs, father: John Lewis, farmer Mary Phyllips full age spinster, servant, residence: Ashwell, father: Enoch Phyllips, weaver Witnesses David Lewis, David Harries Reg. Dist: Narberth Additionally I have a record from Pendine Parish showing: Baptisms: 12.10.1845 John Lewis bapt illeg. child of John Lewis and Mary Phillips, Ashwell lab Is this the illeg. child of the above couple who subsequently married? If so why is the location of the child's father shown as Ashwell farm in 1845 but Backs in 1851? Without a doubt Ashwell Farm Pendine is the 'seat' of my Lewis family in the 2nd half of the 19th century. It's this reference to Backs that is throwing me. Was it just a house in Pendine? Again , grateful for the response to my enquiry - perhaps these details will generate more! Regards Alan

Hi Dick Perhaps they were non-conformists........the chapel registers are mainly from 1813-1837 as the chapels did not have to 'hand' in their registers by law except for these years.. Where in the IGI did it state Sophia Charles was baptised.......as the non-conformists are on the IGI and bishops transcripts not the welsh parish registers... Yes, Charles is a popular name in Llanelly and Pembrey area.........I myself have a connection with Charles's from Burry, Pembrey parish.......they were not connected to the Minister though..... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Coleman" <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > Thanks for such a rapid response Pauline. > > I think it's Carmarthen Town, but not 100% sure. The 1851 census in New > Quay > says she was born in Carmarthen & was aged 39 (ie DOB 1812). Her age at > death, 3 Nov 1853, is given as 44 (ie DOB 1809) acc to the NBI. A record > on > the IGI also suggests Carmarthen Town. > > I know from the IGI that there are other CHARLES family births in > Llanelly, > Carmarthen, do you have any list for that area? > > Thanks again > > Dick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@onvol.net] > Sent: 23 October 2005 10:38 > To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > > > Hi Dick > > I have looked in Carmarthen St Peters from 1808-1812 and cannot see a > Sophia > Charles.....there are sons to a John and Elizabeth Charles being baptised > in > Carmathen but no Sophia > > Do you mean Carmarthen Town or Carmarthenshire? > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Coleman" <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:08 AM > Subject: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > > >> Hi listers >> >> I'm new to this list and seeking information on Sophia CHARLES, born >> about >> 1810 in Carmarthen. She is believed to have been a niece or great-niece >> of >> Thomas CHARLES (1755-1814), the famous Methodist. About 1835 Sophia >> married >> John PATRICK (c 1812-1864) of Lincoln and they established the Black Lion >> Inn in Llanllwchaiarn/New Quay, Cardiganshire. Sophia died there in 1853. >> >> Can anybody help further? >> >> Dick >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >

Thanks Pauline. Yes, Sophia CHARLES was certainly non-conformist, in line with the link to Thomas CHARLES. Her entry in the IGI is only her birth, marriage & death dates, there's no baptism record. Dick -----Original Message----- From: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@onvol.net] Sent: 23 October 2005 12:20 To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES Hi Dick Perhaps they were non-conformists........the chapel registers are mainly from 1813-1837 as the chapels did not have to 'hand' in their registers by law except for these years.. Where in the IGI did it state Sophia Charles was baptised.......as the non-conformists are on the IGI and bishops transcripts not the welsh parish registers... Yes, Charles is a popular name in Llanelly and Pembrey area.........I myself have a connection with Charles's from Burry, Pembrey parish.......they were not connected to the Minister though..... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Coleman" <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: RE: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > Thanks for such a rapid response Pauline. > > I think it's Carmarthen Town, but not 100% sure. The 1851 census in New > Quay > says she was born in Carmarthen & was aged 39 (ie DOB 1812). Her age at > death, 3 Nov 1853, is given as 44 (ie DOB 1809) acc to the NBI. A record > on > the IGI also suggests Carmarthen Town. > > I know from the IGI that there are other CHARLES family births in > Llanelly, > Carmarthen, do you have any list for that area? > > Thanks again > > Dick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@onvol.net] > Sent: 23 October 2005 10:38 > To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > > > Hi Dick > > I have looked in Carmarthen St Peters from 1808-1812 and cannot see a > Sophia > Charles.....there are sons to a John and Elizabeth Charles being baptised > in > Carmathen but no Sophia > > Do you mean Carmarthen Town or Carmarthenshire? > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dick Coleman" <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:08 AM > Subject: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > > >> Hi listers >> >> I'm new to this list and seeking information on Sophia CHARLES, born >> about >> 1810 in Carmarthen. She is believed to have been a niece or great-niece >> of >> Thomas CHARLES (1755-1814), the famous Methodist. About 1835 Sophia >> married >> John PATRICK (c 1812-1864) of Lincoln and they established the Black Lion >> Inn in Llanllwchaiarn/New Quay, Cardiganshire. Sophia died there in 1853. >> >> Can anybody help further? >> >> Dick >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database

Hi Dick I have looked in Carmarthen St Peters from 1808-1812 and cannot see a Sophia Charles.....there are sons to a John and Elizabeth Charles being baptised in Carmathen but no Sophia Do you mean Carmarthen Town or Carmarthenshire? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Coleman" <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > Hi listers > > I'm new to this list and seeking information on Sophia CHARLES, born about > 1810 in Carmarthen. She is believed to have been a niece or great-niece of > Thomas CHARLES (1755-1814), the famous Methodist. About 1835 Sophia > married > John PATRICK (c 1812-1864) of Lincoln and they established the Black Lion > Inn in Llanllwchaiarn/New Quay, Cardiganshire. Sophia died there in 1853. > > Can anybody help further? > > Dick > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Thanks for such a rapid response Pauline. I think it's Carmarthen Town, but not 100% sure. The 1851 census in New Quay says she was born in Carmarthen & was aged 39 (ie DOB 1812). Her age at death, 3 Nov 1853, is given as 44 (ie DOB 1809) acc to the NBI. A record on the IGI also suggests Carmarthen Town. I know from the IGI that there are other CHARLES family births in Llanelly, Carmarthen, do you have any list for that area? Thanks again Dick -----Original Message----- From: Pauline James [mailto:paulinejames@onvol.net] Sent: 23 October 2005 10:38 To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES Hi Dick I have looked in Carmarthen St Peters from 1808-1812 and cannot see a Sophia Charles.....there are sons to a John and Elizabeth Charles being baptised in Carmathen but no Sophia Do you mean Carmarthen Town or Carmarthenshire? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Coleman" <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:08 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > Hi listers > > I'm new to this list and seeking information on Sophia CHARLES, born about > 1810 in Carmarthen. She is believed to have been a niece or great-niece of > Thomas CHARLES (1755-1814), the famous Methodist. About 1835 Sophia > married > John PATRICK (c 1812-1864) of Lincoln and they established the Black Lion > Inn in Llanllwchaiarn/New Quay, Cardiganshire. Sophia died there in 1853. > > Can anybody help further? > > Dick > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk

Hi listers I'm new to this list and seeking information on Sophia CHARLES, born about 1810 in Carmarthen. She is believed to have been a niece or great-niece of Thomas CHARLES (1755-1814), the famous Methodist. About 1835 Sophia married John PATRICK (c 1812-1864) of Lincoln and they established the Black Lion Inn in Llanllwchaiarn/New Quay, Cardiganshire. Sophia died there in 1853. Can anybody help further? Dick

Hi Pat You mentioned indexing the history of Methodists. Is there any reference to Daniel or Samuel Howell? They might be associated with Jerusalem Church near Gwynfe or the Saron Chapel near Trecastle. Herschuel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Powell" <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Sophia CHARLES > Hello Dick > > According to "The History of the Methodists in Carmarthen" which I haave > just indexed there were two well knowm brothers Thomas Charles and David > Charles. > > In the section about Laugharne it states that they were born not far > from that place. > > Could these be the Charles family you are referring to? I believe the > timescale is about right. > > Cheers > > Pat > > > > > In message <NFBBLIDDHLJPINLGOAPKOEDLCMAA.dickcoleman@btinternet.com>, > Dick Coleman <dickcoleman@btinternet.com> writes >>Hi listers >> >>I'm new to this list and seeking information on Sophia CHARLES, born about >>1810 in Carmarthen. She is believed to have been a niece or great-niece of >>Thomas CHARLES (1755-1814), the famous Methodist. About 1835 Sophia >>married >>John PATRICK (c 1812-1864) of Lincoln and they established the Black Lion >>Inn in Llanllwchaiarn/New Quay, Cardiganshire. Sophia died there in 1853. >> >>Can anybody help further? >> >>Dick >> >> >>==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > > -- > Pat Powell > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >

Greetings to Bill - reading you. Glyn NZ

mean Ashwell farm not Allt...!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Heard" <alan.heard2@btinternet.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] John Lewis residence Backs >I have just received the marriage cert for John Lewis to Mary Phyllips in >Pendine Church in 1851. This shows Mary as servant at Ashwell (I think >this is Ashwell farm where my Lewis family lived) and John Lewis is at >Backs. Does anyone know where Backs is please? > > I have a sneaky feeling I 've got the wrong cert. > > Alan > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >