-----Original Message----- From: diana murray <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 29 October 2005 6:25 Subject: [Cmn-L] Llechor >Hello everyone - has anyone heard of Llechor in or around Llanelly. I have found a John William who I am hoping is mine!! in the Adulam chapel records who is living there. > Diana This may be Llwchwr - known more commonly by its English name of Loughor, which is in Glamorgan, on the Carmarthenshire, west of Swansea. Hope this helps Anna

This is truly a sad state of affairs, which we only have our current government to thank whereby greed is more important, and profitable, than preserving our history and heritage. If we don't cherish and preserve our history and heritage, whathave we left? Or, sadly, maybe this is the big plan. I don't know. But I would think that if enough family historians and genealogists raised a stink and alarm, we might be able to aid the cause for preservation? Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: "althea.john" <althea.john@ntlworld.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] graveyard bites the dust cont > Hi if you would like to read the article its in The South Wales Evening post . If you go to www.wrx.zen.co.uk/wales.htm and click the link for the south Wales evening post .one article on 27 Oct and the other on the 25th Oct. > I personally haven't got anyone in this grave yard but thought it kneaded to be circulated to family researchers incase they have rellies ther. Like you I am horified that they can do this but it seems we can not acsses certain record unless someone has been dead either 75 or 100 years to maintain their privacy but it o.k.to build a house and school yard on them. > What a funny world > Althea > > ----- Original Message ----- > Althea > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > >

Hello Gwenda - I asked my husband who is a reader in the church!! Adulam is a Cannanite city in Judah fortified by Rhoboam who was a king of Judah. Mentioned by Micah and inhabited after the Exile in Babylon approx 500 bc (we think!) It is usually associated with the cave in which King David hid when pursued by Saul. We have a picture of it in our bible dictionary. I learn something new every day. Diana

Hello everyone - has anyone heard of Llechor in or around Llanelly. I have found a John William who I am hoping is mine!! in the Adulam chapel records who is living there. I am still looking also for a place called Waun Gwdre does anyone know of it please. Diana

Hello List, Wonder if somebody is willing to take a snap for me of the headstones of my Roberts relatives at Holy Trinity Felinfoel churchyard. Burialplace of Edward (Ned) Roberts, died 1931 and Margaret Ann Roberts, died 1958. Also for Elisabeth Roberts, wife of John Roberts Glanrafon, died 18-10-1904 ( age 79). Elwyn - Netherlands.

I totally agree with you Althea..if it's the churchyard I'm thinking of then Amy Williams, who has been in touch with me about the HARRIS family of Nantycaws and subsequently Swansea would be particularly interested in this piece of news! (I believe she is related to Elwyn in the Netherlands too!) Hwyl Margaret. ----- Original Message ----- From: "althea.john" <althea.john@ntlworld.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] graveyard bites the dust cont > Hi if you would like to read the article its in The South Wales Evening post . If you go to www.wrx.zen.co.uk/wales.htm and click the link for the south Wales evening post .one article on 27 Oct and the other on the 25th Oct. > I personally haven't got anyone in this grave yard but thought it kneaded to be circulated to family researchers incase they have rellies ther. Like you I am horified that they can do this but it seems we can not acsses certain record unless someone has been dead either 75 or 100 years to maintain their privacy but it o.k.to build a house and school yard on them. > What a funny world > Althea > > ----- Original Message ----- > Althea > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Hello list, Can somebody find marriages of my ancestors in records of Llanelli, possibly St.Elli's at that time. Edward Robert to a Margaret near 1761/1762, family possibly at Tyisha William Robert to an Ann ...near 1765. Elwyn - Netherlands.

Athea...This smacks of the movie Poltergeist where developers built a housing project over an old cemetary. Always thot that a cemetary was a hallowed ground. Granted that under or over 50 years would be a matter of ashes to ashes and dust to dust. It would seem that is some form of descecration to those interred whose remains have since mingled with the earth where they rest to be violated by a backhoe. Sometimes developers and politicians see only profit and progress and totally dismiss or ignore why we created cemetaries to honor and leave a living testimony to those loved ones who have gone on before.To ignore the sanctity of the grave is outrageous. To remove stones over 50 yrs of age , whether llegible or not and crush them into gravel gravel is an insult to the deceased and their kin......In another Movie the Loved Ones developers designed a scheme to send the bodies into orbit so they could develop the property....Fact seems to have merged with fiction....... Bill in Ohio

Hi All I am new to this list having just found the birthplace of my DAVID JONES in 1851 census. Could someone please tell me where I could look for the Baptism of DAVID JONES 1818. SAUNDERSFOOT (sic) Carmarthenshire. I know his Father was Thomas Jones. As Wales is "new"to me I would appreciate any advise please? Eve Ferguson

If anyone is interested in finding out if their ancestors are buried at Babell go to the Cambrian index there are quite a few death notices of people buried in that cemetry Althea

Hi if you would like to read the article its in The South Wales Evening post . If you go to www.wrx.zen.co.uk/wales.htm and click the link for the south Wales evening post .one article on 27 Oct and the other on the 25th Oct. I personally haven't got anyone in this grave yard but thought it kneaded to be circulated to family researchers incase they have rellies ther. Like you I am horified that they can do this but it seems we can not acsses certain record unless someone has been dead either 75 or 100 years to maintain their privacy but it o.k.to build a house and school yard on them. What a funny world Althea ----- Original Message ----- Althea

Hello list - has anyone heard of the place or are called 'Waun Gwrdre' . It may or may not be near Llanelly/Felinfoel. I have a John William in the Adulam records who is said to be formerly of this place. thanks Diana

I was reading last nights evening post and they were reporting on the fact that Babell Chapel in Carmarthen Road Cwmbwria are going to have their headstones removed to make way for Swansea housing consortium to build new homes . Gravestones under 50 years old will be placed on the boundary of the property and the older ones will be broken up and disposed of within 2 months . There are 800 graves at his site no bodies to be exhumed but they promise to TRY to move the gravestones to a memorial garden. It goes on to say that the John Williams has 4 generations of his family there all members of the Presbyterian Church of Wales and its predecessor The Welsh Calvinistic Methodists. I can Just make out a bit of the info on one of the graves in the photo Glyn Ivor Johnson, John Charles Johnson Also Mary beloved wife of the above also Gladys. rest of the info to small to read clearly Althea

Hi Pat. Thanks for your efforts. Regretably all of my archives only indicate that they came to the states from Glamorganshire. Unlike my Williams side who gave Rhandir Mywn Parish as their abode before coming to America. One possible clue to a census search would be to see if there is a widow Jane Davies with a ten yr old daughter Ann(b.1841) with two other siblings in 1851 Census. .Back in 2004 Judith George found a Morgan family in Merthyr Tydfil some points matched but not enough for confirmation.Will try Ancestry. Com as you suggested..Take care..Bill

What year range did they marry in? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "N Lewis" <N.Lewis@trinity-cm.ac.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Lewis Hall > Dear List, > > looking for any information on the marriage of David Joseph Lewis and > Muriel Rachel Hall, Llanelli area. > > More details to follow. > > Many thanks, > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hello list, Wonder if somebody knows the Bowen-family in Swansea. Am Looking for descendents of Reginald Bowen, born 10-04-1900 and his brother Leslie Bowen, born 19-07-1906, sons of John Bowen and Mary Roberts ( first wife). John Bowen remarried and went to live in Swansea. Did in 1948 at age of 74. Lived at 121 Pentrchwyth Road. Secons wife Elisabeth Evans. John Bowen is buried with his first wife at Box Cemetry, Llanelli. Elwyn - Netherlands.

Thank You, everything is loud and clear. Recently installed new virus blockers and spyware. Would like to share with listers, the success I have had in finding vital information in Obitruaries. They often can be found on microfish in libraries in town or city of death. Permit me to share a few excerpts on my kin and how they brought their Welshness to America.........Oak Hill Press(Ohio) James G, Morgan(d.1941)....."in his youth he enjoyed gathering around the organ in their little home and singing the old Welsh dear to the hearts of all Welsh Boys and Girls....He had a keen air for music." Mrs. James G. Morgan(d.1969)Her parents were early Welsh pioneers both of whom had been born in Wales. Her mother's people were from the northern part of Wales and in order to distinguish them from the other families they were called the Jones(North) Family."......Daniel Morgan Jones(d.1980)....."At the time he started school , he and his sister could only speak the Welsh Language spoken predominately in their home church and community....."American of strict Welsh heritage and very proud of his Celtic Forebearers".........."A man of his Welsh proudness through his later years of ups and downs.".....Wilkes Barre Record(Pa.).Morgan B..Williams(d,1903)......." he had a good singing voice and was a consistent member of the Welsh Presbyterian Church and when it was rebuilt he gave $5000. to its work."

Dear List, looking for any information on the marriage of David Joseph Lewis and Muriel Rachel Hall, Llanelli area. More details to follow. Many thanks,

Hi Bill I've had a look at this query and with such names there are so many possibles. Thinking that Ursula would be a good place to start - I have had no luck. Are you sure they should be Glamorganshire in 1841 aND 1851? Have you any idea at all what part of the county? It's a big place. Maybe not in size in American terms - but certainly in number of towns and villages. Do you have any of these people in another census? let us know where and the details. Have you had a look via the 1851 index on Ancestry.co Uk? Cheers Pat In message <1da.4670f76b.30803512@aol.com>, Taffywilliam@aol.com writes >In the 1841 Census returns for Glamorganshire, Ann Davies , daughter of John >and Jane Hughes Davies woluld have been an infant and only child. In 1851 >Census she would have been ca. 10 yrs of age and living with widowed mother >Jane and two other siblings. Her future husband Wm.D.Morgan parents, >Daniel E. Morgan would have been ca. 26 in 1841 and spouse Ursula ca. 30 . In >1851 Census Wm. D, should appear aged 7 or so, possibly with siblings >Elizabeth and Evan D. and maybe others. Appreciate any help in tracking down my >mothers side of the family. Thanks.. Bill in Ohio > > > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > -- Pat Powell

Hi Alan Pendine in 1851 only has 181 people living there......only the one enumeration district schedule 26 was Backs and schedule 31 was Ashwell farm ....... it stated in 1851 that John and Mary Lewis were niece and nephew wonder whose family it was his or hers? Banks is a farm and so is Ashwell Farm Have you looked on the old maps on line to see if you can find them? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Heard" <alan.heard2@btinternet.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re:John Lewis of Backs > Hi Pauline > > Yes I do think now that this is my man - this John Lewis is my > gggrandfather. Just one query - if you have the census for Pendine is it > possible to comment on whether Backs was a house or a farm and can you say > roughly how far it was from Ashwell farm? > > I am happy to close this issue down if you would care to comment off-list, > Pauline > > Thanks for your help. > > Alan. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Re:John Lewis of Backs > > >> Hi Alan >> >> Do you think the census I gave to you re Backs is the father of John >> Lewis, I think so.....perhaps John Lewis junior was working in Ashwell >> farm and that is where he met Mary Phyllips.......probably when he was >> asked where he was from he said 'Backs' although living in >> Ashwell....stranger things have happened....... >> >> Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan Heard" <alan.heard2@btinternet.com> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:37 PM >> Subject: [Cmn-L] Re:John Lewis of Backs >> >> >>> >>> I was very pleased to find offers of help with my query re the location >>> Backs, the residence of John Lewis - further details have been requested >>> by listers. >>> >>> The details on the certificate I have are: >>> >>> Church of Pendine, Carmarthenshire, Marriage >>> March 13th 1851 John Lewis full age, bachelor, labourer,residence: >>> Backs, father: John Lewis, farmer >>> Mary Phyllips full age spinster, servant, >>> residence: Ashwell, father: Enoch Phyllips, weaver >>> Witnesses David Lewis, David Harries >>> Reg. Dist: Narberth >>> >>> Additionally I have a record from Pendine Parish showing: >>> Baptisms: >>> >>> 12.10.1845 John Lewis bapt illeg. child of John Lewis and Mary Phillips, >>> Ashwell lab >>> >>> Is this the illeg. child of the above couple who subsequently married? >>> If so why is the location of the child's father shown as Ashwell farm in >>> 1845 but Backs in 1851? >>> >>> Without a doubt Ashwell Farm Pendine is the 'seat' of my Lewis family in >>> the 2nd half of the 19th century. It's this reference to Backs that is >>> throwing me. >>> Was it just a house in Pendine? >>> >>> Again , grateful for the response to my enquiry - perhaps these details >>> will generate more! >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >> > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >