Dear Pauline Is the 1841 census accessible on the Carmarthenshire FHS site just for Carmarthenshire as opposed to the whole of Wales? What is the subscription to join the CFHS? With Thanks Lyn Taylor

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: E. Schreuder [mailto:e.schreuder7@chello.nl] Verzonden: zondag 30 oktober 2005 9:28 Aan: 'Dyfed-L@rootsweb.com' Onderwerp: FW: [Cmn-L] Holy Trinity Felinfoel -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: E. Schreuder [mailto:e.schreuder7@chello.nl] Verzonden: zaterdag 29 oktober 2005 0:06 Aan: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: [Cmn-L] Holy Trinity Felinfoel Hello List, Wonder if somebody is willing to take a snap for me of the headstones of my Roberts relatives at Holy Trinity Felinfoel churchyard. Burialplace of Edward (Ned) Roberts, died 1931 and Margaret Ann Roberts, died 1958. Also for Elisabeth Roberts, wife of John Roberts Glanrafon, died 18-10-1904 ( age 79). Elwyn - Netherlands. ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database

Hi Pauline I have found a record with the IGI via LDS in the 1881 Census Would you be able to do a check on the 1871 census to see if the family was there and if any ages - Elizabeth would be 2 approx Elizabeth Morgan born: 01 JUN 1873 Llanfihangel Tallyllyn, Brecon, Wales Parents William Morgan and Elizabeth Source Information: Batch No C081311 dates 1713-1848 Call No 0104475 Prints Call No: 1238710 (Film) _____ Our could you tell me how I could get more details on this record. Would be grateful for some advise on this one. Regards Sue

Hi Pauline, Might be wrong but I think it is every 5 years. The promise of confidentiality and destruction was made at the outset of census taking by the Commonwealth, because if it wasn't confidential people wouldn't complete the details or otherwise tell porkies. The census here is fairly invasive of your private life and are not just simple questions about your family. What could be made of this info if it were held for 100 years escapes me. But your descendants would probably be fascinated. At least we genealogists have made some progress with the last census. Regards. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <tangerard@bigpond.com.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: Re: RE [Cmn-L]Queensland BDM > Hi Pauline, > Yes we still have Census I think every 10 years, but when legislation came in re Privacy it basically meant that you couldnt delve into records beyond a certain time eg births deaths etc are also restricted from public access from a certain time, I am in the finance industry and I really only intersted in the act as much as it affects me and my clients. post privacy act when you fill out your census you are protected by the privacy act from predatory marketing, ie people who use this data for marketing so in about 100 years from now we wont have a track record of residency, except for big brother.. > > Re My ancestors My dillema is lengthy I will forward the email I sent you on 2/10 > concerning Joshua Morris amd Elizabeth Thomas b 1810 > > Hope I have clarified the subject re census info . > > Regards to you > > Trevor Gerard. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: RE [Cmn-L]Queensland BDM > > > > Hi Trevor, if its because of the Australian Privacy Act, why do they have a > > census count, do they still conduct a census?.........strange....I was 20 in > > 1971 so able to vote, so I will be on the voters list ......are they closed > > for 100 years there? > > > > thanks remind me who you are looking for > > > > Pauline > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <tangerard@bigpond.com.au> > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:41 AM > > Subject: RE [Cmn-L]Queensland BDM > > > > > >> Hi Pauline, > >> The reason the census details were deleted was the > >> direct result of the Australian Privacy act . simple as that , no doubt > >> the census was a data base that could be exploited to no end ,especially > >> if you were tryimg to track someone down , the electoral rolls are a > >> little more dificult as you have to be over 18 yo to be on the rollbut god > >> knows why we give some of them a vote . Thats my input into this segment. > >> Re Joshua Morris 1810 and Elizabeth Thomas 1810 I have to get back to you > >> when I have time. > >> > >> Cheers to you all > >> > >> Trevor Gerard. > >> Gods Country > >> Gold Coast Queensland > >> > >> > >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > >> PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > >> from this mailing list > >> > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 5/11/2005 > >

Hi Margaret, They are, I believe, quite prompt. If they said GST exempt - surprises me - then that would be the cost. All prices are to be quoted inclusive of GST and the GST component shown separately. Exempt means no GST ( 10%) applies. GST is basically the same as your VAT - it means Goods and Services Tax. I'll do some checking on Sunday. Regards. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > Hi Ray > The request for the marriage certificate is in the post (Sat 5..soon after > we communicated..I used your registration no) I don't know how long it will > take to get a reply..( if Dublin is anything to go by it'll be 6-8 weeks!) > One query, In my rush to post the form, I authorised the cost as $24.50. > After I'd posted it I re-read the instructions and saw that that was GST > exempt. Is this the same as our VAT and are they likely to send the > certificate ..any ideas? > Thanks so much for promising to look up the couple in later life. I suppose > with no census returns the death certs are the most likely option? > Thanks again > Margaret. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > Hi Margaret, > > I'll have a look next Sunday. > > I don't mind doing lookups because people do them for me. If I can't do > one > > I can usually point them in the right direction to a suitable web site. > For > > example NSW has all theirs on the web now includingthe recent additions. > I > > only have the 1788 - 1888 pioneer Indexes for NSW. I have a number of > > indexes at home including all of Victoria and Pioneer Indexes for all but > > South Australia. > > Regards. > > > > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > Hello again Ray, > > > Many thanks for your help, I can "get on with it" now! > > > That was the birth of the daughter Ivy Eileen,who married into the > > > LITTLEFIELD family, which I am researching. (She had a sad end, dying > of > > > 'flu in the epidemic in 1919 in England). > > > It would be interesting to know if the young bride and groom remained in > > > Australia..I have no idea what happened to them If you do find anything > > in > > > your perusals I would be delighted! > > > Many thanks again..you never know you might get a flood of requests for > > > look-ups..it could become the Carmarthenshire/Queensland list (what do > you > > > think Pauline???):-)). > > > I would be pleased to return the compliment if I can.. > > > Hwyl > > > Margaret. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:03 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > Hi Margaret, > > > > The registration number for the marriage is 1886/000904. > > > > There was a birth of Ivy Eileen HATTE 22.8.1887 reg. 1887/005476. > > > > I have the Qld Pioneers Index 1829 - 1889 at home. No places are > given > > in > > > > these indexes. > > > > I go to the State Library most Sundays and would be happy to do some > > > > lookups. Most states have Federation Indexes usually from 1889 - 1901, > > > > Edwardian 1902 - 1913, Great War 1914 - 1920 and by and large this is > > > where > > > > the births end. Marriages and Deaths vary too but generally 1921 - > 1945, > > > > then Deaths only vary from 1945 - 1985. > > > > There has been a recent expansion of the marriage and death indexes in > > NSW > > > > who now have marriages to about 1953 and deaths to 1970 > > > > Because I have few direct relatives in Queensland I'm not fully au > fait > > > with > > > > the details, but I think the deaths now go to about 1970. Anyhow I'd > be > > > > happy to check for you. > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:00 PM > > > > Subject: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ray, thanks for the offer of finding the registration no for me. > I > > > > will send you full details off -list but the basic details are > > > > > Groom James Joseph HATTE > > > > > Bride Fanny Margaret Ivanna NICHOLAS > > > > > married on 19 October 1886 Charters Towers > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you > > cannot > > > > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of > the > > > > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: > > > 31/10/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: > 3/11/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > questions & Quiries. > > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 5/11/2005 > >

Hi Pauline, Statistics, plain and simple. I think it was, with some justification, that there was an absolute promise that details given were under a promise of secrecy and would not be revealed. Consequently, once they were used for statistics they were destroyed. I don't think Genealogy was even on the horizon for the statisticians, it is now thank goodness. Regards. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > HI Ray > > What was the point of doing a census, and if you did not participate you > would have a fine for not doing so and then destroying them..?? > > Thanks for letting me know, I lived in Sydney area from 1970 to 1973......so > I will not be on the census in a hundred years time then....!! > > regards > Pauline > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:39 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > Hi Pauline, > > As I said to Margaret, I don't mind lookups but limit any research to what > > I > > can conveniently do in the time I have available. I will tell people if I > > can't do research, by which I mean other than checking indexes, electoral > > rolls etc. > > What 1971 Census? Our stupid government has destroyed all the census since > > 1900 and all we have now are the electoral rolls and directories. In the > > recent census a question was included seeking to retain the data for > > future > > generations. I think it was approved but frankly I don't know - haven't > > bothered to find out. I will now. > > Regards. > > > > Ray > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > >> HI Margaret and Ray > >> > >> How lucky we are.......thank you Ray for doing look-ups in Queensland > >> Australia, yes Margaret.......as everyone knows this is not just a list > > for > >> Carmarthenshire, but for anyone with interests anywhere in the > > world......!! > >> I myself will be on the 1971 census in Australia...... > >> > >> Lists have been slowing down of late with so much information on line, it > > is > >> great that this one has 'woken' up lately....... > >> > >> regards and thanks Pauline > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:21 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > >> > >> > >> > Hello again Ray, > >> > Many thanks for your help, I can "get on with it" now! > >> > That was the birth of the daughter Ivy Eileen,who married into the > >> > LITTLEFIELD family, which I am researching. (She had a sad end, dying > > of > >> > 'flu in the epidemic in 1919 in England). > >> > It would be interesting to know if the young bride and groom remained > >> > in > >> > Australia..I have no idea what happened to them If you do find > >> > anything > >> > in > >> > your perusals I would be delighted! > >> > Many thanks again..you never know you might get a flood of requests for > >> > look-ups..it could become the Carmarthenshire/Queensland list (what do > > you > >> > think Pauline???):-)). > >> > I would be pleased to return the compliment if I can.. > >> > Hwyl > >> > Margaret. > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > >> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:03 AM > >> > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hi Margaret, > >> >> The registration number for the marriage is 1886/000904. > >> >> There was a birth of Ivy Eileen HATTE 22.8.1887 reg. 1887/005476. > >> >> I have the Qld Pioneers Index 1829 - 1889 at home. No places are > >> >> given > >> >> in > >> >> these indexes. > >> >> I go to the State Library most Sundays and would be happy to do some > >> >> lookups. Most states have Federation Indexes usually from 1889 - 1901, > >> >> Edwardian 1902 - 1913, Great War 1914 - 1920 and by and large this is > >> > where > >> >> the births end. Marriages and Deaths vary too but generally 1921 - > > 1945, > >> >> then Deaths only vary from 1945 - 1985. > >> >> There has been a recent expansion of the marriage and death indexes in > >> >> NSW > >> >> who now have marriages to about 1953 and deaths to 1970 > >> >> Because I have few direct relatives in Queensland I'm not fully au > >> >> fait > >> > with > >> >> the details, but I think the deaths now go to about 1970. Anyhow I'd > >> >> be > >> >> happy to check for you. > >> >> Regards > >> >> > >> >> Ray > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > >> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:00 PM > >> >> Subject: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hi Ray, thanks for the offer of finding the registration no for me. > > I > >> >> will send you full details off -list but the basic details are > >> >> > Groom James Joseph HATTE > >> >> > Bride Fanny Margaret Ivanna NICHOLAS > >> >> > married on 19 October 1886 Charters Towers > >> >> > Many thanks > >> >> > Margaret > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> >> > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you > >> >> > cannot > >> >> find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of > > the > >> >> Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > -- > >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> >> > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: > >> > 31/10/2005 > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > >> >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you > >> > cannot > >> > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of > >> > the > >> > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > > questions & Quiries. > >> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 5/11/2005 > >

Hello again! my certificate could well be winging it's way to Peterborough in the near future then if they don't want the extra 10%! I'm learning a lot about Queensland administration through this thread of Family History! Thanks again and hope to hear from you if you discover anything.. Hwyl Margaret. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > Hi Margaret, > They are, I believe, quite prompt. If they said GST exempt - surprises me - > then that would be the cost. All prices are to be quoted inclusive of GST > and the GST component shown separately. Exempt means no GST ( 10%) applies. > GST is basically the same as your VAT - it means Goods and Services Tax. > I'll do some checking on Sunday. > Regards. > > Ray > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:10 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > Hi Ray > > The request for the marriage certificate is in the post (Sat 5..soon > after > > we communicated..I used your registration no) I don't know how long it > will > > take to get a reply..( if Dublin is anything to go by it'll be 6-8 weeks!) > > One query, In my rush to post the form, I authorised the cost as $24.50. > > After I'd posted it I re-read the instructions and saw that that was GST > > exempt. Is this the same as our VAT and are they likely to send the > > certificate ..any ideas? > > Thanks so much for promising to look up the couple in later life. I > suppose > > with no census returns the death certs are the most likely option? > > Thanks again > > Margaret. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:30 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > Hi Margaret, > > > I'll have a look next Sunday. > > > I don't mind doing lookups because people do them for me. If I can't do > > one > > > I can usually point them in the right direction to a suitable web site. > > For > > > example NSW has all theirs on the web now includingthe recent additions. > > I > > > only have the 1788 - 1888 pioneer Indexes for NSW. I have a number of > > > indexes at home including all of Victoria and Pioneer Indexes for all > but > > > South Australia. > > > Regards. > > > > > > Ray > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:21 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > Hello again Ray, > > > > Many thanks for your help, I can "get on with it" now! > > > > That was the birth of the daughter Ivy Eileen,who married into the > > > > LITTLEFIELD family, which I am researching. (She had a sad end, dying > > of > > > > 'flu in the epidemic in 1919 in England). > > > > It would be interesting to know if the young bride and groom remained > in > > > > Australia..I have no idea what happened to them If you do find > anything > > > in > > > > your perusals I would be delighted! > > > > Many thanks again..you never know you might get a flood of requests > for > > > > look-ups..it could become the Carmarthenshire/Queensland list (what do > > you > > > > think Pauline???):-)). > > > > I would be pleased to return the compliment if I can.. > > > > Hwyl > > > > Margaret. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:03 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Margaret, > > > > > The registration number for the marriage is 1886/000904. > > > > > There was a birth of Ivy Eileen HATTE 22.8.1887 reg. 1887/005476. > > > > > I have the Qld Pioneers Index 1829 - 1889 at home. No places are > > given > > > in > > > > > these indexes. > > > > > I go to the State Library most Sundays and would be happy to do some > > > > > lookups. Most states have Federation Indexes usually from 1889 - > 1901, > > > > > Edwardian 1902 - 1913, Great War 1914 - 1920 and by and large this > is > > > > where > > > > > the births end. Marriages and Deaths vary too but generally 1921 - > > 1945, > > > > > then Deaths only vary from 1945 - 1985. > > > > > There has been a recent expansion of the marriage and death indexes > in > > > NSW > > > > > who now have marriages to about 1953 and deaths to 1970 > > > > > Because I have few direct relatives in Queensland I'm not fully au > > fait > > > > with > > > > > the details, but I think the deaths now go to about 1970. Anyhow I'd > > be > > > > > happy to check for you. > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > > > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:00 PM > > > > > Subject: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ray, thanks for the offer of finding the registration no for > me. > > I > > > > > will send you full details off -list but the basic details are > > > > > > Groom James Joseph HATTE > > > > > > Bride Fanny Margaret Ivanna NICHOLAS > > > > > > married on 19 October 1886 Charters Towers > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you > > > cannot > > > > > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of > > the > > > > > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: > > > > 31/10/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > > > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you > cannot > > > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > > > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: > > 3/11/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > > questions & Quiries. > > > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 5/11/2005 > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > >

Thanks for the explanation Ray........sorts it out for us... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > Hi Pauline, > Statistics, plain and simple. > I think it was, with some justification, that there was an absolute > promise > that details given were under a promise of secrecy and would not be > revealed. Consequently, once they were used for statistics they were > destroyed. I don't think Genealogy was even on the horizon for the > statisticians, it is now thank goodness. > Regards. > > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > >> HI Ray >> >> What was the point of doing a census, and if you did not participate you >> would have a fine for not doing so and then destroying them..?? >> >> Thanks for letting me know, I lived in Sydney area from 1970 to > 1973......so >> I will not be on the census in a hundred years time then....!! >> >> regards >> Pauline >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 6:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM >> >> >> > Hi Pauline, >> > As I said to Margaret, I don't mind lookups but limit any research to > what >> > I >> > can conveniently do in the time I have available. I will tell people if > I >> > can't do research, by which I mean other than checking indexes, > electoral >> > rolls etc. >> > What 1971 Census? Our stupid government has destroyed all the census > since >> > 1900 and all we have now are the electoral rolls and directories. In >> > the >> > recent census a question was included seeking to retain the data for >> > future >> > generations. I think it was approved but frankly I don't know - haven't >> > bothered to find out. I will now. >> > Regards. >> > >> > Ray >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:02 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM >> > >> > >> >> HI Margaret and Ray >> >> >> >> How lucky we are.......thank you Ray for doing look-ups in Queensland >> >> Australia, yes Margaret.......as everyone knows this is not just a >> >> list >> > for >> >> Carmarthenshire, but for anyone with interests anywhere in the >> > world......!! >> >> I myself will be on the 1971 census in Australia...... >> >> >> >> Lists have been slowing down of late with so much information on line, > it >> > is >> >> great that this one has 'woken' up lately....... >> >> >> >> regards and thanks Pauline >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> >> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:21 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hello again Ray, >> >> > Many thanks for your help, I can "get on with it" now! >> >> > That was the birth of the daughter Ivy Eileen,who married into the >> >> > LITTLEFIELD family, which I am researching. (She had a sad end, > dying >> > of >> >> > 'flu in the epidemic in 1919 in England). >> >> > It would be interesting to know if the young bride and groom >> >> > remained >> >> > in >> >> > Australia..I have no idea what happened to them If you do find >> >> > anything >> >> > in >> >> > your perusals I would be delighted! >> >> > Many thanks again..you never know you might get a flood of requests > for >> >> > look-ups..it could become the Carmarthenshire/Queensland list (what > do >> > you >> >> > think Pauline???):-)). >> >> > I would be pleased to return the compliment if I can.. >> >> > Hwyl >> >> > Margaret. >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> >> >> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:03 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Hi Margaret, >> >> >> The registration number for the marriage is 1886/000904. >> >> >> There was a birth of Ivy Eileen HATTE 22.8.1887 reg. 1887/005476. >> >> >> I have the Qld Pioneers Index 1829 - 1889 at home. No places are >> >> >> given >> >> >> in >> >> >> these indexes. >> >> >> I go to the State Library most Sundays and would be happy to do >> >> >> some >> >> >> lookups. Most states have Federation Indexes usually from 1889 - > 1901, >> >> >> Edwardian 1902 - 1913, Great War 1914 - 1920 and by and large this > is >> >> > where >> >> >> the births end. Marriages and Deaths vary too but generally 1921 - >> > 1945, >> >> >> then Deaths only vary from 1945 - 1985. >> >> >> There has been a recent expansion of the marriage and death indexes > in >> >> >> NSW >> >> >> who now have marriages to about 1953 and deaths to 1970 >> >> >> Because I have few direct relatives in Queensland I'm not fully au >> >> >> fait >> >> > with >> >> >> the details, but I think the deaths now go to about 1970. Anyhow >> >> >> I'd >> >> >> be >> >> >> happy to check for you. >> >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> Ray >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> >> >> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:00 PM >> >> >> Subject: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Ray, thanks for the offer of finding the registration no for > me. >> > I >> >> >> will send you full details off -list but the basic details are >> >> >> > Groom James Joseph HATTE >> >> >> > Bride Fanny Margaret Ivanna NICHOLAS >> >> >> > married on 19 October 1886 Charters Towers >> >> >> > Many thanks >> >> >> > Margaret >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> >> > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you >> >> >> > cannot >> >> >> find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name >> >> >> of >> > the >> >> >> Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >> >> > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: >> >> > 31/10/2005 >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> >> >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you >> >> > cannot >> >> > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of >> >> > the >> >> > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research >> > questions & Quiries. >> >> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: > 3/11/2005 >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you >> > cannot >> > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of >> > the >> > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >> > >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 5/11/2005 >> >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Forwarded for Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <may.tan@realestate.com.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 1:29 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen > Hi Pauline, No I only have the 1841 census, This is all too much for me > today . I know that Morris is fairly common but to have 2 Joshuas marrying > 2 Elizabeth Thomas's , I do havea copy of Joshua Lewis Morris's(my > ggrandfather) marriage certificate and it lists his father as a nail maker > ( blacksmith ) it is possible that we have picked up the incorrect > siblings. I have only taken over this tree this past 12 months My cousin > who visited wales in 99 did some research but it was mainly the IGI list > that she has supported it with . I know David ,Thomas and elizabeth are > family names . Joshua Lewis was an architect and surveyor and we should > be able to pick him in the1871 census but that doesnt find and confirm his > siblings or connect his parents . > It is interesting that Joshua Lewis was quite wealthy and his son Howell > Price Morris , my grandfather built a home in sydney which bears a very > strong resemblance to BRYN MYRDDIN . I saw a sketch of this property in a > book on Carmarthen , I believe it was a Morris home, > > I will try to get a copy of the 51 census. Oh by the way I am not sure > what strength they had in religion but I do know that Joshua Lewis and > Mary Anne Williams married in a registry, because they had to . > > I must close now , Im not too sure of where to start, any ideas. > > Cheers Trevor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen > > >> Trevor >> >> Do you have 1851 census, If your Joshua Morris was a blacksmith, I think >> you have picked up the wrong siblings for Joshua L Morris according to >> your email........there are two Joshua Morris aged 41 and 40 in >> Carmarthenshire 1851 - if you are researching the one that is a >> blacksmith from Carmarthen this is the census >> >> 1851 St Peters Carmarthen dist 2G sch 40 page 9 >> Lammas Street >> Joshua Morris head marr 41 blacksmith born Carmarthen >> Elizabeth Morris wife marr 41 born Carmarthen >> David Morris son 13 blacksmith appren born Carmarthen >> Joshua L Morris son 10 scholar born Carmarthen >> Thomas Morris son 7 scholar born Carmarthen >> >> Is this one yours??.......if not is yours the Pig Drover aged 40 born >> Llanginning living in St Clears.......he was married in 1831......they >> both married an Elizabeth Thomas......just to complicate things!!! Or is >> the Pig Drover Anne's? >> >> Pauline >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <tangerard@bigpond.com.au> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:01 PM >> Subject: Fw: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen >> >> >>> Hi Pauline this is the email in question >>> >>> I am in no hurry Cheers >>> Trevor Gerard . >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <tangerard@bigpond.com.au> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:20 PM >>> Subject: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen >>> >>> >>>> Hi Pauline and Listers, >>>> Pauline after you helped me >>>> find >>>> my gg grandfather Joshua Morris b1810 and his wife Elizabeth Thomas , >>>> I >>>> am eager to track down what happened to his children and also who were >>>> his >>>> parents, I know about Joshua Lewis Morris my great grand father he >>>> migrated to Australia in 1878 but I am desperate to find out the other >>>> details of Joshua Lewis Morris's siblings and alsop where the rest of >>>> the >>>> family went . >>>> >>>> It goes like this, >>>> >>>> Joshua Morris b 1/11/1810 Carmn m 2/9/1834 St Peters Cmn to >>>> Elizaheth >>>> Thomas b 1810 Daughter of James Thomas (sawyer) >>>> >>>> His Father David Morris b 5/1775? m to [Margaret Richard bap 1782/3 >>>> Carmn >>>> ( 1841 cens of Mary St and 1851 cens of Spurrels yard] >>>> >>>> children of David and Margaret >>>> >>>> Mary bap 3/4/1807 >>>> Joshua bap 1/11/1810 ( my gg grandfather) >>>> David bap 19/12/1813 >>>> Samuel bap 20/10/1816 beleive died in infancy >>>> Samuel b 18/7/1818 >>>> Margaret b24/12/1821 bap 6/51821 >>>> William bap 5/6/1825 >>>> So I am trying to find out where these people went to and also find out >>>> and confirm the DavidMorris and Margaret Richard aspect and who were >>>> Davids siblings amd parents. >>>> >>>> Once I have sorted this out I can then research or ask for assistance >>>> to >>>> research my ggrandfathers siblings ( Joshua Lewis Morris ) >>>> >>>> He was bapt 21/3/1840? Carmn m 1/4/1867 Newbridge Registry Pontypridd >>>> to >>>> Mary Ann Williams (b 22/4/1847 Aberdare dau of Bethuel Williams) >>>> His Siblings: >>>> David bapt 12/2/1832 Llangynin >>>> Elizabeth bapt 23/11/1832 St Clears Carmn >>>> John bapt 17/6/1835 St Clears Carmn >>>> >>>> I really need help here, I understood that some of Joshua Lewis >>>> Morris's >>>> siblings migrated to the USA and settled in Colorado ( Denver or Pykes >>>> Peak ) >>>> >>>> Any chance you nor the list can be of assistance. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards to all >>>> >>>> Trevor Gerard (Australia) >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research >>> questions & Quiries. >>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> >

Hi, I wonder if someone could help me. I recently contacted the Archives Office regarding tracing baptismal records for 2 relatives. They searched the parish indexes for the areas but were unable to locate entries. They think therefore because of this it is likely they were baptised in a Non-Conformist Chapel? Can anyone tell me how I go about finding details for Non-Conformist and also find out if non-conformist would be correct? The details I gave the Archives Office was as follows: Benjamin Davies born circa 1822/1824 in Pencarreg. I only know his father's name was Thomas Davies from Benjamin's marriage certicate and census details. and also a Mary Jones born Caio to parents Harry (Henry) and Mary Jones. On all census, they lived at a place called Tynycoed, Caio, if that helps at all. Mary was born circa 1818-1822. Many thanks. Helen

Hi Ann, Thanks for the info but I am now even more confused .Did You read my reply to Pauline, Iwill contact you tomorrpow Regards Trevor ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Owen Taylor" <keithtaylor@manager10036.freeserve.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:22 PM Subject: Re: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen > Hi Trevor > > I have the children David, Elizabeth and John on my database. (baptised > Llangynin & St Clears) but I have their parents as Joshua Morris and > Elizabeth. Joshua was born at Cwmclyd, Llangynin and had moved to St > Clears > by 1851 (only 3 miles away) and was a pig drover. My line begins with his > uncle Benjamin Morris. > > I have a fair amount of information about the Morris family of Llangynin. > We > still own the farm next door to Cwmclyd (although the Cwmclyd farm house > no > longer exists) > > Best wishes > Anne Owen Taylor > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <tangerard@bigpond.com.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:01 AM > Subject: Fw: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen > > >> Hi Pauline this is the email in question >> >> I am in no hurry Cheers >> Trevor Gerard . >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <tangerard@bigpond.com.au> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:20 PM >> Subject: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen >> >> >> > Hi Pauline and Listers, >> > Pauline after you helped me >> > find >> > my gg grandfather Joshua Morris b1810 and his wife Elizabeth Thomas , >> > I >> > am eager to track down what happened to his children and also who were > his >> > parents, I know about Joshua Lewis Morris my great grand father he >> > migrated to Australia in 1878 but I am desperate to find out the other >> > details of Joshua Lewis Morris's siblings and alsop where the rest of > the >> > family went . >> > >> > It goes like this, >> > >> > Joshua Morris b 1/11/1810 Carmn m 2/9/1834 St Peters Cmn to > Elizaheth >> > Thomas b 1810 Daughter of James Thomas (sawyer) >> > >> > His Father David Morris b 5/1775? m to [Margaret Richard bap 1782/3 > Carmn >> > ( 1841 cens of Mary St and 1851 cens of Spurrels yard] >> > >> > children of David and Margaret >> > >> > Mary bap 3/4/1807 >> > Joshua bap 1/11/1810 ( my gg grandfather) >> > David bap 19/12/1813 >> > Samuel bap 20/10/1816 beleive died in infancy >> > Samuel b 18/7/1818 >> > Margaret b24/12/1821 bap 6/51821 >> > William bap 5/6/1825 >> > So I am trying to find out where these people went to and also find out >> > and confirm the DavidMorris and Margaret Richard aspect and who were >> > Davids siblings amd parents. >> > >> > Once I have sorted this out I can then research or ask for assistance >> > to >> > research my ggrandfathers siblings ( Joshua Lewis Morris ) >> > >> > He was bapt 21/3/1840? Carmn m 1/4/1867 Newbridge Registry Pontypridd > to >> > Mary Ann Williams (b 22/4/1847 Aberdare dau of Bethuel Williams) >> > His Siblings: >> > David bapt 12/2/1832 Llangynin >> > Elizabeth bapt 23/11/1832 St Clears Carmn >> > John bapt 17/6/1835 St Clears Carmn >> > >> > I really need help here, I understood that some of Joshua Lewis > Morris's >> > siblings migrated to the USA and settled in Colorado ( Denver or Pykes >> > Peak ) >> > >> > Any chance you nor the list can be of assistance. >> > >> > >> > Regards to all >> > >> > Trevor Gerard (Australia) >> > >> > >> > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > questions & Quiries. >> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >> >> >> > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hi Pauline this is the email in question I am in no hurry Cheers Trevor Gerard . ----- Original Message ----- From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <tangerard@bigpond.com.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:20 PM Subject: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen > Hi Pauline and Listers, > Pauline after you helped me find > my gg grandfather Joshua Morris b1810 and his wife Elizabeth Thomas , I > am eager to track down what happened to his children and also who were his > parents, I know about Joshua Lewis Morris my great grand father he > migrated to Australia in 1878 but I am desperate to find out the other > details of Joshua Lewis Morris's siblings and alsop where the rest of the > family went . > > It goes like this, > > Joshua Morris b 1/11/1810 Carmn m 2/9/1834 St Peters Cmn to Elizaheth > Thomas b 1810 Daughter of James Thomas (sawyer) > > His Father David Morris b 5/1775? m to [Margaret Richard bap 1782/3 Carmn > ( 1841 cens of Mary St and 1851 cens of Spurrels yard] > > children of David and Margaret > > Mary bap 3/4/1807 > Joshua bap 1/11/1810 ( my gg grandfather) > David bap 19/12/1813 > Samuel bap 20/10/1816 beleive died in infancy > Samuel b 18/7/1818 > Margaret b24/12/1821 bap 6/51821 > William bap 5/6/1825 > So I am trying to find out where these people went to and also find out > and confirm the DavidMorris and Margaret Richard aspect and who were > Davids siblings amd parents. > > Once I have sorted this out I can then research or ask for assistance to > research my ggrandfathers siblings ( Joshua Lewis Morris ) > > He was bapt 21/3/1840? Carmn m 1/4/1867 Newbridge Registry Pontypridd to > Mary Ann Williams (b 22/4/1847 Aberdare dau of Bethuel Williams) > His Siblings: > David bapt 12/2/1832 Llangynin > Elizabeth bapt 23/11/1832 St Clears Carmn > John bapt 17/6/1835 St Clears Carmn > > I really need help here, I understood that some of Joshua Lewis Morris's > siblings migrated to the USA and settled in Colorado ( Denver or Pykes > Peak ) > > Any chance you nor the list can be of assistance. > > > Regards to all > > Trevor Gerard (Australia) > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >

Hi Pauline, Yes we still have Census I think every 10 years, but when legislation came in re Privacy it basically meant that you couldnt delve into records beyond a certain time eg births deaths etc are also restricted from public access from a certain time, I am in the finance industry and I really only intersted in the act as much as it affects me and my clients. post privacy act when you fill out your census you are protected by the privacy act from predatory marketing, ie people who use this data for marketing so in about 100 years from now we wont have a track record of residency, except for big brother.. Re My ancestors My dillema is lengthy I will forward the email I sent you on 2/10 concerning Joshua Morris amd Elizabeth Thomas b 1810 Hope I have clarified the subject re census info . Regards to you Trevor Gerard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 8:21 PM Subject: Re: RE [Cmn-L]Queensland BDM > Hi Trevor, if its because of the Australian Privacy Act, why do they have a > census count, do they still conduct a census?.........strange....I was 20 in > 1971 so able to vote, so I will be on the voters list ......are they closed > for 100 years there? > > thanks remind me who you are looking for > > Pauline > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <tangerard@bigpond.com.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 10:41 AM > Subject: RE [Cmn-L]Queensland BDM > > >> Hi Pauline, >> The reason the census details were deleted was the >> direct result of the Australian Privacy act . simple as that , no doubt >> the census was a data base that could be exploited to no end ,especially >> if you were tryimg to track someone down , the electoral rolls are a >> little more dificult as you have to be over 18 yo to be on the rollbut god >> knows why we give some of them a vote . Thats my input into this segment. >> Re Joshua Morris 1810 and Elizabeth Thomas 1810 I have to get back to you >> when I have time. >> >> Cheers to you all >> >> Trevor Gerard. >> Gods Country >> Gold Coast Queensland >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your >> PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed >> from this mailing list >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >

Hi Pauline, The reason the census details were deleted was the direct result of the Australian Privacy act . simple as that , no doubt the census was a data base that could be exploited to no end ,especially if you were tryimg to track someone down , the electoral rolls are a little more dificult as you have to be over 18 yo to be on the rollbut god knows why we give some of them a vote . Thats my input into this segment. Re Joshua Morris 1810 and Elizabeth Thomas 1810 I have to get back to you when I have time. Cheers to you all Trevor Gerard. Gods Country Gold Coast Queensland

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Hi Pauline, As I said to Margaret, I don't mind lookups but limit any research to what I can conveniently do in the time I have available. I will tell people if I can't do research, by which I mean other than checking indexes, electoral rolls etc. What 1971 Census? Our stupid government has destroyed all the census since 1900 and all we have now are the electoral rolls and directories. In the recent census a question was included seeking to retain the data for future generations. I think it was approved but frankly I don't know - haven't bothered to find out. I will now. Regards. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > HI Margaret and Ray > > How lucky we are.......thank you Ray for doing look-ups in Queensland > Australia, yes Margaret.......as everyone knows this is not just a list for > Carmarthenshire, but for anyone with interests anywhere in the world......!! > I myself will be on the 1971 census in Australia...... > > Lists have been slowing down of late with so much information on line, it is > great that this one has 'woken' up lately....... > > regards and thanks Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:21 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > Hello again Ray, > > Many thanks for your help, I can "get on with it" now! > > That was the birth of the daughter Ivy Eileen,who married into the > > LITTLEFIELD family, which I am researching. (She had a sad end, dying of > > 'flu in the epidemic in 1919 in England). > > It would be interesting to know if the young bride and groom remained in > > Australia..I have no idea what happened to them If you do find anything > > in > > your perusals I would be delighted! > > Many thanks again..you never know you might get a flood of requests for > > look-ups..it could become the Carmarthenshire/Queensland list (what do you > > think Pauline???):-)). > > I would be pleased to return the compliment if I can.. > > Hwyl > > Margaret. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:03 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > >> Hi Margaret, > >> The registration number for the marriage is 1886/000904. > >> There was a birth of Ivy Eileen HATTE 22.8.1887 reg. 1887/005476. > >> I have the Qld Pioneers Index 1829 - 1889 at home. No places are given > >> in > >> these indexes. > >> I go to the State Library most Sundays and would be happy to do some > >> lookups. Most states have Federation Indexes usually from 1889 - 1901, > >> Edwardian 1902 - 1913, Great War 1914 - 1920 and by and large this is > > where > >> the births end. Marriages and Deaths vary too but generally 1921 - 1945, > >> then Deaths only vary from 1945 - 1985. > >> There has been a recent expansion of the marriage and death indexes in > >> NSW > >> who now have marriages to about 1953 and deaths to 1970 > >> Because I have few direct relatives in Queensland I'm not fully au fait > > with > >> the details, but I think the deaths now go to about 1970. Anyhow I'd be > >> happy to check for you. > >> Regards > >> > >> Ray > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:00 PM > >> Subject: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > >> > >> > >> > Hi Ray, thanks for the offer of finding the registration no for me. I > >> will send you full details off -list but the basic details are > >> > Groom James Joseph HATTE > >> > Bride Fanny Margaret Ivanna NICHOLAS > >> > married on 19 October 1886 Charters Towers > >> > Many thanks > >> > Margaret > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you > >> > cannot > >> find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > >> Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >> > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: > > 31/10/2005 > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >> > >> > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 > >

Hi Margaret, I'll have a look next Sunday. I don't mind doing lookups because people do them for me. If I can't do one I can usually point them in the right direction to a suitable web site. For example NSW has all theirs on the web now including the recent additions. I only have the 1788 - 1888 pioneer Indexes for NSW. I have a number of indexes at home including all of Victoria and Pioneer Indexes for all but South Australia. Regards. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > Hello again Ray, > Many thanks for your help, I can "get on with it" now! > That was the birth of the daughter Ivy Eileen,who married into the > LITTLEFIELD family, which I am researching. (She had a sad end, dying of > 'flu in the epidemic in 1919 in England). > It would be interesting to know if the young bride and groom remained in > Australia..I have no idea what happened to them If you do find anything in > your perusals I would be delighted! > Many thanks again..you never know you might get a flood of requests for > look-ups..it could become the Carmarthenshire/Queensland list (what do you > think Pauline???):-)). > I would be pleased to return the compliment if I can.. > Hwyl > Margaret. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:03 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > Hi Margaret, > > The registration number for the marriage is 1886/000904. > > There was a birth of Ivy Eileen HATTE 22.8.1887 reg. 1887/005476. > > I have the Qld Pioneers Index 1829 - 1889 at home. No places are given in > > these indexes. > > I go to the State Library most Sundays and would be happy to do some > > lookups. Most states have Federation Indexes usually from 1889 - 1901, > > Edwardian 1902 - 1913, Great War 1914 - 1920 and by and large this is > where > > the births end. Marriages and Deaths vary too but generally 1921 - 1945, > > then Deaths only vary from 1945 - 1985. > > There has been a recent expansion of the marriage and death indexes in NSW > > who now have marriages to about 1953 and deaths to 1970 > > Because I have few direct relatives in Queensland I'm not fully au fait > with > > the details, but I think the deaths now go to about 1970. Anyhow I'd be > > happy to check for you. > > Regards > > > > Ray > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:00 PM > > Subject: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > Hi Ray, thanks for the offer of finding the registration no for me. I > > will send you full details off -list but the basic details are > > > Groom James Joseph HATTE > > > Bride Fanny Margaret Ivanna NICHOLAS > > > married on 19 October 1886 Charters Towers > > > Many thanks > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: > 31/10/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: 3/11/2005 > >

Dear Pauline, Would Carmarthen R.O. also have school registers etc. for the above schools? Nancy (England)

HI Anne Thanks, have you read the message I sent to Trevor......there are 2 Joshua Morris in 1851 Carmarthenshire the same age, yours the pig drover is 40, his is 41 the blacksmith......he has mixed up baptisms taking yours when he should be looking for his in Carmarthen......as per 1851 They both married and Elizabeth Thomas !! Do you agree? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Owen Taylor" <keithtaylor@manager10036.freeserve.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen > Sorry about the blank message Pauline, I must have hit the reply button in > error. (All this rain has obviously left me half soaked!) The message > followed in a mail a few minutes later. > > Anne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:30 AM > Subject: Re: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen > > >> Anne, where is your message? Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anne Owen Taylor" <keithtaylor@manager10036.freeserve.co.uk> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:10 PM >> Subject: Re: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen >> >> >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <tangerard@bigpond.com.au> >> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 11:01 AM >> > Subject: Fw: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen >> > >> > >> >> Hi Pauline this is the email in question >> >> >> >> I am in no hurry Cheers >> >> Trevor Gerard . >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <tangerard@bigpond.com.au> >> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:20 PM >> >> Subject: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Pauline and Listers, >> >> > Pauline after you helped me >> >> > find >> >> > my gg grandfather Joshua Morris b1810 and his wife Elizabeth Thomas > , >> >> > I >> >> > am eager to track down what happened to his children and also who > were >> > his >> >> > parents, I know about Joshua Lewis Morris my great grand father he >> >> > migrated to Australia in 1878 but I am desperate to find out the > other >> >> > details of Joshua Lewis Morris's siblings and alsop where the rest > of >> > the >> >> > family went . >> >> > >> >> > It goes like this, >> >> > >> >> > Joshua Morris b 1/11/1810 Carmn m 2/9/1834 St Peters Cmn to >> > Elizaheth >> >> > Thomas b 1810 Daughter of James Thomas (sawyer) >> >> > >> >> > His Father David Morris b 5/1775? m to [Margaret Richard bap 1782/3 >> > Carmn >> >> > ( 1841 cens of Mary St and 1851 cens of Spurrels yard] >> >> > >> >> > children of David and Margaret >> >> > >> >> > Mary bap 3/4/1807 >> >> > Joshua bap 1/11/1810 ( my gg grandfather) >> >> > David bap 19/12/1813 >> >> > Samuel bap 20/10/1816 beleive died in infancy >> >> > Samuel b 18/7/1818 >> >> > Margaret b24/12/1821 bap 6/51821 >> >> > William bap 5/6/1825 >> >> > So I am trying to find out where these people went to and also find > out >> >> > and confirm the DavidMorris and Margaret Richard aspect and who > were >> >> > Davids siblings amd parents. >> >> > >> >> > Once I have sorted this out I can then research or ask for >> >> > assistance >> >> > to >> >> > research my ggrandfathers siblings ( Joshua Lewis Morris ) >> >> > >> >> > He was bapt 21/3/1840? Carmn m 1/4/1867 Newbridge Registry > Pontypridd >> > to >> >> > Mary Ann Williams (b 22/4/1847 Aberdare dau of Bethuel Williams) >> >> > His Siblings: >> >> > David bapt 12/2/1832 Llangynin >> >> > Elizabeth bapt 23/11/1832 St Clears Carmn >> >> > John bapt 17/6/1835 St Clears Carmn >> >> > >> >> > I really need help here, I understood that some of Joshua Lewis >> > Morris's >> >> > siblings migrated to the USA and settled in Colorado ( Denver or > Pykes >> >> > Peak ) >> >> > >> >> > Any chance you nor the list can be of assistance. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Regards to all >> >> > >> >> > Trevor Gerard (Australia) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> >> > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> >> GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research >> > questions & Quiries. >> >> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research >> > questions & Quiries. >> > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >> > >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> >> > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Trevor Do you have 1851 census, If your Joshua Morris was a blacksmith, I think you have picked up the wrong siblings for Joshua L Morris according to your email........there are two Joshua Morris aged 41 and 40 in Carmarthenshire 1851 - if you are researching the one that is a blacksmith from Carmarthen this is the census 1851 St Peters Carmarthen dist 2G sch 40 page 9 Lammas Street Joshua Morris head marr 41 blacksmith born Carmarthen Elizabeth Morris wife marr 41 born Carmarthen David Morris son 13 blacksmith appren born Carmarthen Joshua L Morris son 10 scholar born Carmarthen Thomas Morris son 7 scholar born Carmarthen Is this one yours??.......if not is yours the Pig Drover aged 40 born Llanginning living in St Clears.......he was married in 1831......they both married an Elizabeth Thomas......just to complicate things!!! Or is the Pig Drover Anne's? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <tangerard@bigpond.com.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: Fw: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen > Hi Pauline this is the email in question > > I am in no hurry Cheers > Trevor Gerard . > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "May Tan/Trevor Gerard" <tangerard@bigpond.com.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 10:20 PM > Subject: Re:[Cmn-L] Morris at Carmarthen > > >> Hi Pauline and Listers, >> Pauline after you helped me find >> my gg grandfather Joshua Morris b1810 and his wife Elizabeth Thomas , I >> am eager to track down what happened to his children and also who were >> his >> parents, I know about Joshua Lewis Morris my great grand father he >> migrated to Australia in 1878 but I am desperate to find out the other >> details of Joshua Lewis Morris's siblings and alsop where the rest of >> the >> family went . >> >> It goes like this, >> >> Joshua Morris b 1/11/1810 Carmn m 2/9/1834 St Peters Cmn to Elizaheth >> Thomas b 1810 Daughter of James Thomas (sawyer) >> >> His Father David Morris b 5/1775? m to [Margaret Richard bap 1782/3 >> Carmn >> ( 1841 cens of Mary St and 1851 cens of Spurrels yard] >> >> children of David and Margaret >> >> Mary bap 3/4/1807 >> Joshua bap 1/11/1810 ( my gg grandfather) >> David bap 19/12/1813 >> Samuel bap 20/10/1816 beleive died in infancy >> Samuel b 18/7/1818 >> Margaret b24/12/1821 bap 6/51821 >> William bap 5/6/1825 >> So I am trying to find out where these people went to and also find out >> and confirm the DavidMorris and Margaret Richard aspect and who were >> Davids siblings amd parents. >> >> Once I have sorted this out I can then research or ask for assistance to >> research my ggrandfathers siblings ( Joshua Lewis Morris ) >> >> He was bapt 21/3/1840? Carmn m 1/4/1867 Newbridge Registry Pontypridd >> to >> Mary Ann Williams (b 22/4/1847 Aberdare dau of Bethuel Williams) >> His Siblings: >> David bapt 12/2/1832 Llangynin >> Elizabeth bapt 23/11/1832 St Clears Carmn >> John bapt 17/6/1835 St Clears Carmn >> >> I really need help here, I understood that some of Joshua Lewis Morris's >> siblings migrated to the USA and settled in Colorado ( Denver or Pykes >> Peak ) >> >> Any chance you nor the list can be of assistance. >> >> >> Regards to all >> >> Trevor Gerard (Australia) >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >