Good Morning, I am trying to find early records for a John Lewis who in various census while he was living in Neath, Glamorgan gives his place of birth as St Clears, or Abercowen Llanfihangel. He is always listed as a Draper and his birth year is fairly consistent between 1826 and 1828. He is often employing assistants from St Clears/ Abercowen Llanfihangel with the surname Davies which may indicate some sort of relationship although this is not stated. I have looked at the IGI and find one baptism that might be him, son of William & Maria at a Congregational Church. I am not sure if this would be the right John Lewis since his son David Arthur Lewis was ordained in the Church Of Wales. I would be grateful for any help, with Parish records or the 1841 census, to find out more about John Lewis. Many thanks, Tricia Heseltine, Dorset

Hi Sue Firstly, try asking for a lookup (found on GENUKI, lLANDDEUSANT) on the following giving as much information as you can. It might also be useful to look for burials of THOMAS that identify the farm. SEE BELOW Llanddeusant. BT's for 1775-1815. A private database which includes all baptisms, marriages and burials for the period shown is available for lookups on the South/West Wales Lookup Exchange at http://home.clara.net/tirbach/lookup.html The farm is called 'Cil-gerddan' it can be found on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ at Grid Ref: 275442,226067 to see it click coordinate and paste in the grid reference. You can also get a modern map and an aerial photo. If the farm was owned or leased by the family for sometime you may be able to trace them through this. Incidentily the farm is still in use see http://archive.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/2004/09/08/12077.html Where under the pig competition you find this - Gilt or Boar born Jan/Feb 2004. 1st: 27, Judith Harvey, Cilgerddan, Llanddeusant, Llangadog, Carmarthenshire, SA19 9YN Hope this helps. Glen Jenkins --- PT & S Kinsella <kinceller@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > Can someone answer this please, Having found the > husband of Mary THOMAS, to be Thomas THOMAS, I > assumed they would be related and so started to look > for the baptism of Mary. I find There are a number > of possibilities but not one of them is a THOMAS. > possible fathers are > Morgan DAVID: Thomas LEWIS: Thomas RYTHERCH: > There are no mothers and I am at a loss as to where > to go from here. > Thank You Sue Kinsella > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alayne and Glen Jenkins" > <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1841 Query. > > > > Sue > > > > Another christening given possible marriage date > > MARY THOMAS - International Genealogical Index > > Gender: Female Christening: 24 OCT 1824 > Llanddeusant, > > Carmarthen, Wales > > > > Glen Jenkins > > > > --- PT & S Kinsella <kinceller@iprimus.com.au> > wrote: > > > >> Can anyone find this family in 1841 for me. I had > >> hoped to find the husband of the family in 1851, > but > >> now in view of the fact the the youngest child is > >> born in 1841, have my fingers crossed and hope > that > >> someone can help. They are on a farm which seems > to > >> have various spellings. Cilgerddan being the most > >> recent. I am in hopeful anticipation of a good > >> result. Sue Kinsella from Australia. > >> > >> 1851 Cilgarhan Llanddausant Carmarthenshire > >> Mary Thomas 1805 Head widow 46 farmer of > 82 > >> Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Mary Thomas 1826 Daug Un 25 > >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Margaret Thomas 1829 Daug Un 22 > Llanddausaint, > >> Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Jane Thomas 1831 Daug Un 20 > >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Elizabeth Thomas 1833 Daug Un 18 > Llanddausaint, > >> Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Thomas Thomas 1836 Son Un 15 > Llanddausaint, > >> Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Anne Thomas 1841 Daug Un 10 > >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Daniel Davies 1831 Serv Un agricltural > >> servant Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> > >> 1861 Cilgertham Llanddausant Carmarthenshire > >> Thomas Thomas 1836 Head Un 28 Llanddausaint, > >> Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Mary Thomas 1805 mother widow 66 farmer of > 86 > >> Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Mary Thomas 1826 sister Un 38 > >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> Nancy Thomas 1841 sister Un 18 > >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > >> > >> > >> > >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > > Yahoo! Exclusive Xmas Game, help Santa with his > celebrity party - > http://santas-christmas-party.yahoo.net/ > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

I am trying to access online data but dont seem to be able to.Am I doing something wrong ? I get as far as the parishes CLICK HERE TO ACCESS then nothing.

Hello Barb, I do not know if you saw Pauline's reply on the List, where she found a James Rowlands and his family in the 1851 census. I am going with his son John David as my man, so he would have been born around 1844, fingers crossed. Dorothy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb McBride" <rbhighlander@shaw.ca> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1871/81 CENSUS QUERY > Hello Dorothy > Dorothy > > Do you have an approximate age for James? > > Barb > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "dorothy higgins" <proactive@base1778.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:06 AM > Subject: [Cmn-L] 1871/81 CENSUS QUERY > > > > Hello List, I wonder if there is sks who can help me find the following > > family who > > resided in Carmarthen Town, 1870/86? > > > > James [David]? Rowlands, - his wife was - Elizabeth, - family tradition > > has James' > > profession as being a - 'surgeon'- . Could possibly have been a 'ship's > > surgeon'. In the > > early 1870s I believe they lived in - 'Spilman or Spelman Street, > > Carmarthen'- . I do not > > know of any children that can be definitely attached to the couple. > > > > I would be very grateful for any advice or information regarding this > > family, thank > > you. Dorothy. > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/6/2005 > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >

Hello Pauline, thank you very much for your fast response. What a lovely lot of threads to follow up. I do not think it is 'my' James, but it could possibly be his mother and father and a load of siblings. Strangely there is no son named for his father. Could perhaps John David be my James David, who grew up to follow his father into the medical profession? I must try and bring them down through the various censii. Thank you again for all your help. Dorothy.

Hi Dorothy will 1851 census do you 1851 Carmarthen St Peters enu dist 2j sch 34 page 11 King Street James Rowlands head marr 36 surgeon GP Llanwnin Cards Ann Rowlands wife marr 33 born Brecon Isabella F dau 9 born Chelsea Middx John David 7 born Carmarthen Daniel G 6 born Carmarthen Maria C 5 born Carmarthen Anne B 3 born Carmarthen Thomas M 2 born Carmarthen Elizabeth M 1 born Carmarthen Edward Edwards nephew 9 mths drapers son born Islington Middx there is also a governess, 2 nurses and a few servants residing with them.....do you need that info Is this your James as his wife is Ann......but he is a surgeon hope this helps let us know Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "dorothy higgins" <proactive@base1778.freeserve.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] 1871/81 CENSUS QUERY > Hello List, I wonder if there is sks who can help me find the following > family who > resided in Carmarthen Town, 1870/86? > > James [David]? Rowlands, - his wife was - Elizabeth, - family tradition > has James' > profession as being a - 'surgeon'- . Could possibly have been a 'ship's > surgeon'. In the > early 1870s I believe they lived in - 'Spilman or Spelman Street, > Carmarthen'- . I do not > know of any children that can be definitely attached to the couple. > > I would be very grateful for any advice or information regarding this > family, thank > you. Dorothy. > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Hello Dorothy Dorothy Do you have an approximate age for James? Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: "dorothy higgins" <proactive@base1778.freeserve.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 5:06 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] 1871/81 CENSUS QUERY > Hello List, I wonder if there is sks who can help me find the following > family who > resided in Carmarthen Town, 1870/86? > > James [David]? Rowlands, - his wife was - Elizabeth, - family tradition > has James' > profession as being a - 'surgeon'- . Could possibly have been a 'ship's > surgeon'. In the > early 1870s I believe they lived in - 'Spilman or Spelman Street, > Carmarthen'- . I do not > know of any children that can be definitely attached to the couple. > > I would be very grateful for any advice or information regarding this > family, thank > you. Dorothy. > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/193 - Release Date: 12/6/2005

Hello List, I wonder if there is sks who can help me find the following family who resided in Carmarthen Town, 1870/86? James [David]? Rowlands, - his wife was - Elizabeth, - family tradition has James' profession as being a - 'surgeon'- . Could possibly have been a 'ship's surgeon'. In the early 1870s I believe they lived in - 'Spilman or Spelman Street, Carmarthen'- . I do not know of any children that can be definitely attached to the couple. I would be very grateful for any advice or information regarding this family, thank you. Dorothy.

Can someone answer this please, Having found the husband of Mary THOMAS, to be Thomas THOMAS, I assumed they would be related and so started to look for the baptism of Mary. I find There are a number of possibilities but not one of them is a THOMAS. possible fathers are Morgan DAVID: Thomas LEWIS: Thomas RYTHERCH: There are no mothers and I am at a loss as to where to go from here. Thank You Sue Kinsella ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alayne and Glen Jenkins" <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1841 Query. > Sue > > Another christening given possible marriage date > MARY THOMAS - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 24 OCT 1824 Llanddeusant, > Carmarthen, Wales > > Glen Jenkins > > --- PT & S Kinsella <kinceller@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > >> Can anyone find this family in 1841 for me. I had >> hoped to find the husband of the family in 1851, but >> now in view of the fact the the youngest child is >> born in 1841, have my fingers crossed and hope that >> someone can help. They are on a farm which seems to >> have various spellings. Cilgerddan being the most >> recent. I am in hopeful anticipation of a good >> result. Sue Kinsella from Australia. >> >> 1851 Cilgarhan Llanddausant Carmarthenshire >> Mary Thomas 1805 Head widow 46 farmer of 82 >> Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Mary Thomas 1826 Daug Un 25 >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Margaret Thomas 1829 Daug Un 22 Llanddausaint, >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Jane Thomas 1831 Daug Un 20 >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Elizabeth Thomas 1833 Daug Un 18 Llanddausaint, >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Thomas Thomas 1836 Son Un 15 Llanddausaint, >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Anne Thomas 1841 Daug Un 10 >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Daniel Davies 1831 Serv Un agricltural >> servant Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> 1861 Cilgertham Llanddausant Carmarthenshire >> Thomas Thomas 1836 Head Un 28 Llanddausaint, >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Mary Thomas 1805 mother widow 66 farmer of 86 >> Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Mary Thomas 1826 sister Un 38 >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Nancy Thomas 1841 sister Un 18 >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Exclusive Xmas Game, help Santa with his celebrity party - http://santas-christmas-party.yahoo.net/ > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Thank You so much for that. Why didn't I think of the IGI?? I guess having looked for this little village for so long and never found it on the IGI, it never occurred to me that it might now be there!!! There are 2 Thomas Thomas's in the valley at this time although by the look of it, at about the same time. I just have to make sure I have the right one. If anyone has the 1841 census though I would be pleased to have that detail as well. Cheers Sue Kinsella ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alayne and Glen Jenkins" <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1841 Query. > Sue > > Another christening given possible marriage date > MARY THOMAS - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Christening: 24 OCT 1824 Llanddeusant, > Carmarthen, Wales > > Glen Jenkins > > --- PT & S Kinsella <kinceller@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > >> Can anyone find this family in 1841 for me. I had >> hoped to find the husband of the family in 1851, but >> now in view of the fact the the youngest child is >> born in 1841, have my fingers crossed and hope that >> someone can help. They are on a farm which seems to >> have various spellings. Cilgerddan being the most >> recent. I am in hopeful anticipation of a good >> result. Sue Kinsella from Australia. >> >> 1851 Cilgarhan Llanddausant Carmarthenshire >> Mary Thomas 1805 Head widow 46 farmer of 82 >> Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Mary Thomas 1826 Daug Un 25 >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Margaret Thomas 1829 Daug Un 22 Llanddausaint, >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Jane Thomas 1831 Daug Un 20 >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Elizabeth Thomas 1833 Daug Un 18 Llanddausaint, >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Thomas Thomas 1836 Son Un 15 Llanddausaint, >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Anne Thomas 1841 Daug Un 10 >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Daniel Davies 1831 Serv Un agricltural >> servant Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> 1861 Cilgertham Llanddausant Carmarthenshire >> Thomas Thomas 1836 Head Un 28 Llanddausaint, >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Mary Thomas 1805 mother widow 66 farmer of 86 >> Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Mary Thomas 1826 sister Un 38 >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Nancy Thomas 1841 sister Un 18 >> Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Exclusive Xmas Game, help Santa with his celebrity party - > http://santas-christmas-party.yahoo.net/ > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Sue Another christening given possible marriage date MARY THOMAS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 24 OCT 1824 Llanddeusant, Carmarthen, Wales Glen Jenkins --- PT & S Kinsella <kinceller@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > Can anyone find this family in 1841 for me. I had > hoped to find the husband of the family in 1851, but > now in view of the fact the the youngest child is > born in 1841, have my fingers crossed and hope that > someone can help. They are on a farm which seems to > have various spellings. Cilgerddan being the most > recent. I am in hopeful anticipation of a good > result. Sue Kinsella from Australia. > > 1851 Cilgarhan Llanddausant Carmarthenshire > Mary Thomas 1805 Head widow 46 farmer of 82 > Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > Mary Thomas 1826 Daug Un 25 > Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > Margaret Thomas 1829 Daug Un 22 Llanddausaint, > Carmarthenshire, Wales > Jane Thomas 1831 Daug Un 20 > Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > Elizabeth Thomas 1833 Daug Un 18 Llanddausaint, > Carmarthenshire, Wales > Thomas Thomas 1836 Son Un 15 Llanddausaint, > Carmarthenshire, Wales > Anne Thomas 1841 Daug Un 10 > Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > Daniel Davies 1831 Serv Un agricltural > servant Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire, Wales > > 1861 Cilgertham Llanddausant Carmarthenshire > Thomas Thomas 1836 Head Un 28 Llanddausaint, > Carmarthenshire, Wales > Mary Thomas 1805 mother widow 66 farmer of 86 > Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > Mary Thomas 1826 sister Un 38 > Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > Nancy Thomas 1841 sister Un 18 > Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Exclusive Xmas Game, help Santa with his celebrity party - http://santas-christmas-party.yahoo.net/

Hello Sue The fathers name is Thomas Thomas. Here are the christenings for some of the children THOMAS THOMAS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 17 JUL 1836 Llanddeusant, Carmarthen, Wales 2. ELIZABETH THOMAS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 26 OCT 1833 Llanddeusant, Carmarthen, Wales 3. JOHN THOMAS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 14 JUN 1829 Llanddeusant, Carmarthen, Wales 4. MARGARET THOMAS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 18 JUN 1828 Llanddeusant, Carmarthen, Wales 5. JANE THOMAS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 18 FEB 1831 Llanddeusant, Carmarthen, Wales 6. ANNE THOMAS - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 24 MAY 1840 Llanddeusant, Carmarthen, Wales A possible marriage is 11 JUN 1824 Thomas Thomas to Mary Thomas LLanddeusant Hope you find them in the 1841 Glen Jenkins --- PT & S Kinsella <kinceller@iprimus.com.au> wrote: > Can anyone find this family in 1841 for me. I had > hoped to find the husband of the family in 1851, but > now in view of the fact the the youngest child is > born in 1841, have my fingers crossed and hope that > someone can help. They are on a farm which seems to > have various spellings. Cilgerddan being the most > recent. I am in hopeful anticipation of a good > result. Sue Kinsella from Australia. > > 1851 Cilgarhan Llanddausant Carmarthenshire > Mary Thomas 1805 Head widow 46 farmer of 82 > Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > Mary Thomas 1826 Daug Un 25 > Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > Margaret Thomas 1829 Daug Un 22 Llanddausaint, > Carmarthenshire, Wales > Jane Thomas 1831 Daug Un 20 > Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > Elizabeth Thomas 1833 Daug Un 18 Llanddausaint, > Carmarthenshire, Wales > Thomas Thomas 1836 Son Un 15 Llanddausaint, > Carmarthenshire, Wales > Anne Thomas 1841 Daug Un 10 > Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > Daniel Davies 1831 Serv Un agricltural > servant Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire, Wales > > 1861 Cilgertham Llanddausant Carmarthenshire > Thomas Thomas 1836 Head Un 28 Llanddausaint, > Carmarthenshire, Wales > Mary Thomas 1805 mother widow 66 farmer of 86 > Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > Mary Thomas 1826 sister Un 38 > Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > Nancy Thomas 1841 sister Un 18 > Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > ___________________________________________________________ WIN ONE OF THREE YAHOO! VESPAS - Enter now! - http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/features/competitions/vespa.html

Woops I used the wrong email address to send ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] 1841 Query. > Hi Sue, I too am looking for the father of my Elizabeth Thomas circ 1810 > I belkeive his name was James Thomas and he was a Sawyer she married my GG > Grandfather Joshua Morris if you can connect or stir up some action I > would be appreciative . > > Regards Trevor Gerard Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "PT & S Kinsella" <kinceller@iprimus.com.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 6:29 PM > Subject: [Cmn-L] 1841 Query. > > >> Can anyone find this family in 1841 for me. I had hoped to find the >> husband of the family in 1851, but now in view of the fact the the >> youngest child is born in 1841, have my fingers crossed and hope that >> someone can help. They are on a farm which seems to have various >> spellings. Cilgerddan being the most recent. I am in hopeful anticipation >> of a good result. Sue Kinsella from Australia. >> >> 1851 Cilgarhan Llanddausant Carmarthenshire >> Mary Thomas 1805 Head widow 46 farmer of 82 Acres Llanddausaint, >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Mary Thomas 1826 Daug Un 25 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, >> Wales >> Margaret Thomas 1829 Daug Un 22 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, >> Wales >> Jane Thomas 1831 Daug Un 20 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, >> Wales >> Elizabeth Thomas 1833 Daug Un 18 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, >> Wales >> Thomas Thomas 1836 Son Un 15 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, >> Wales >> Anne Thomas 1841 Daug Un 10 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, >> Wales >> Daniel Davies 1831 Serv Un agricltural servant Llanarthney, >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> >> 1861 Cilgertham Llanddausant Carmarthenshire >> Thomas Thomas 1836 Head Un 28 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Mary Thomas 1805 mother widow 66 farmer of 86 Acres Llanddausaint, >> Carmarthenshire, Wales >> Mary Thomas 1826 sister Un 38 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, >> Wales >> Nancy Thomas 1841 sister Un 18 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, >> Wales >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> >

Can anyone find this family in 1841 for me. I had hoped to find the husband of the family in 1851, but now in view of the fact the the youngest child is born in 1841, have my fingers crossed and hope that someone can help. They are on a farm which seems to have various spellings. Cilgerddan being the most recent. I am in hopeful anticipation of a good result. Sue Kinsella from Australia. 1851 Cilgarhan Llanddausant Carmarthenshire Mary Thomas 1805 Head widow 46 farmer of 82 Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales Mary Thomas 1826 Daug Un 25 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales Margaret Thomas 1829 Daug Un 22 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales Jane Thomas 1831 Daug Un 20 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales Elizabeth Thomas 1833 Daug Un 18 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales Thomas Thomas 1836 Son Un 15 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales Anne Thomas 1841 Daug Un 10 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales Daniel Davies 1831 Serv Un agricltural servant Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1861 Cilgertham Llanddausant Carmarthenshire Thomas Thomas 1836 Head Un 28 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales Mary Thomas 1805 mother widow 66 farmer of 86 Acres Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales Mary Thomas 1826 sister Un 38 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales Nancy Thomas 1841 sister Un 18 Llanddausaint, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Hello list, Who can help me with my search for the burial-place of Elisabeth Thomas, 7 Glanrafon terrace, Felinfoel, Llanelli, who died Febr. 2nd 1909 at age 83. Possibly buried together with her unmarried son Theophilus Thomas, who died 15-05-1923, age 74. Tried Adulam cemetry and Holy Trinity, but no results. Elwyn - Netherlands.

Hi Margaret, Pleased to have been of service. I'll have a look next Sunday - my day at the state library. Regards. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > Hi Ray, > I thought you'd be interested to know that I've received the marriage > certificate, and it makes very interesting reading! > I notice that some of the information you sent me now seems particularly > relevant, especially "Hatte: > > > Frederick if. James m. Annie Kirkwood 26.6.1940" > This would appear to be the brother of the Groom as his parents are given as > the above. > > Also the bride's Father was present at the wedding, so I should be looking > for John NICHOLAS married to Amelia Bristow Shaw,as they were in Australia, > but the Hatte parents not necessarily there at that time. > I'd be very grateful if you would send me the relevant reg nos . > many thanks > Hwyl > Margaret. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:40 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > Hi Margaret, > > > First, $24.50 is the total cost and all certs are exempt GST > > > > > > Secondly, with regard to the HATTES.. I couldn't find any further B,D & > M > > > for that family, so it is possible they all returned to England, but > that > > > would have to be verified. > > > I did find a number of other HATTE events, which may be of interest: > > > Births: > > > To Frederick and Annie De Courcey > > > Emily Ilma . 2.12. 1906 reg. 1907/ 00004 > > > Stephen Francis Charles 19.12.1912 erg. 1913/ 000011 > > > Wilton Edward Kenneth 2.11.14 reg. 1914/000189. > > > > > > Deaths: > > > Hatty: > > > James McPherson f. Alexander m. Georgina Well 6.5.1944 > > > Hatte: > > > Frederick f. James m. Annie Kirkwood 26.6.1940 > > > Kenneth Kirkwood f. William Kirkwood m.eliz.Theresa Kath. Flaherty > > > 2.11.1951 > > > Stephen Francis Chas. parents above under births 27.12.1952 > > > Gertrude Frances August Nehmer m. Catherine Mulligan 10.12.1956 > > > > > > Marriages: > > > Hatte (also Hattie), Frederick James m Gertrude Fran. Nehmer 1954 > > > > > > Births index end at 1919, marriages 1956 and deaths 1964 for Queensland. > > > I have the reg numbers if you want them. > > > Regards. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 > >

Good Morning, I wonder if there is anyone on the list who might be able to help me find LLewellyn JORDAN on the 1841 census please? In 1851 he is living in Abernant, Aberdare, Glamorgan aged 24 an ostler and says he was born Carmarthen Town. By 1861 his age has gone up by 2 years and he says he is 36 born Llangang? Carmarthenshire, by 1871 he is 47 born Carmarthen and in 1881 57 born Llanwnog? Carmarthenshire. I do not have access to the 1841 census myself and hope that there might be a lister who might have some knowledge of the family. Many thanks, Tricia Heseltine, Dorset

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----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:23 PM Subject: [CmnFHS] Fw: *** SPAM *** mail size exceeds limit > Can't do this one!! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <uboot@uboot.com> > To: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 2:15 PM > Subject: *** SPAM *** mail size exceeds limit > > >> hi, >> >> you have sent a mail to g597lanagan, >> a registered user of www.uboot.com. >> your mail was too large -- 295k. www.uboot.com can >> only accept mails up to 150k in size. >> >> thanks for your understanding, >> >> uboot >> >> www.uboot.com - who r U? >> >> >> >> > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE-FHS Mailing List ==== > This is a Closed List For Carmarthenshire FHS Members only > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > CarmarthenshireFHS@Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > Hi Ray > Many thanks for your search and checking out the correct "all inclusive " > price of the certificate. Hopefully I will receive it soon. > I don't know how these other names could fit in..I'll have to ponder awhile! > Ivy Eileen did go to Singapore at some time as a nurse I believe. She > married there and then moved to England. I wonder if her parents were with > her in Singapore..another avenue to explore!! > Once again many thanks, I'll get back to you if I find any connections with > the HATTE/HATTY names you discovered. > Hwyl > Margaret. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:40 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > Hi Margaret, > > First, $24.50 is the total cost and all certs are exempt GST > > > > Secondly, with regard to the HATTES.. I couldn't find any further B,D & M > > for that family, so it is possible they all returned to England, but that > > would have to be verified. > > I did find a number of other HATTE events, which may be of interest: > > Births: > > To Frederick and Annie De Courcey > > Emily Ilma . 2.12. 1906 reg. 1907/ 00004 > > Stephen Francis Charles 19.12.1912 erg. 1913/ 000011 > > Wilton Edward Kenneth 2.11.14 reg. 1914/000189. > > > > Deaths: > > Hatty: > > James McPherson f. Alexander m. Georgina Well 6.5.1944 > > Hatte: > > Frederick f. James m. Annie Kirkwood 26.6.1940 > > Kenneth Kirkwood f. William Kirkwood m.eliz.Theresa Kath. Flaherty > > 2.11.1951 > > Stephen Francis Chas. parents above under births 27.12.1952 > > Gertrude Frances August Nehmer m. Catherine Mulligan 10.12.1956 > > > > Marriages: > > Hatte (also Hattie), Frederick James m Gertrude Fran. Nehmer 1954 > > > > Births index end at 1919, marriages 1956 and deaths 1964 for Queensland. > > I have the reg numbers if you want them. > > Regards. > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:10 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > Hi Ray > > > The request for the marriage certificate is in the post (Sat 5..soon > > after > > > we communicated..I used your registration no) I don't know how long it > > will > > > take to get a reply..( if Dublin is anything to go by it'll be 6-8 > weeks!) > > > One query, In my rush to post the form, I authorised the cost as $24.50. > > > After I'd posted it I re-read the instructions and saw that that was GST > > > exempt. Is this the same as our VAT and are they likely to send the > > > certificate ..any ideas? > > > Thanks so much for promising to look up the couple in later life. I > > suppose > > > with no census returns the death certs are the most likely option? > > > Thanks again > > > Margaret. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 5:30 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > Hi Margaret, > > > > I'll have a look next Sunday. > > > > I don't mind doing lookups because people do them for me. If I can't > do > > > one > > > > I can usually point them in the right direction to a suitable web > site. > > > For > > > > example NSW has all theirs on the web now including the recent > > additions. > > > I > > > > only have the 1788 - 1888 pioneer Indexes for NSW. I have a number of > > > > indexes at home including all of Victoria and Pioneer Indexes for all > > but > > > > South Australia. > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:21 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello again Ray, > > > > > Many thanks for your help, I can "get on with it" now! > > > > > That was the birth of the daughter Ivy Eileen,who married into the > > > > > LITTLEFIELD family, which I am researching. (She had a sad end, > dying > > > of > > > > > 'flu in the epidemic in 1919 in England). > > > > > It would be interesting to know if the young bride and groom > remained > > in > > > > > Australia..I have no idea what happened to them If you do find > > anything > > > > in > > > > > your perusals I would be delighted! > > > > > Many thanks again..you never know you might get a flood of requests > > for > > > > > look-ups..it could become the Carmarthenshire/Queensland list (what > do > > > you > > > > > think Pauline???):-)). > > > > > I would be pleased to return the compliment if I can.. > > > > > Hwyl > > > > > Margaret. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > > > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:03 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Margaret, > > > > > > The registration number for the marriage is 1886/000904. > > > > > > There was a birth of Ivy Eileen HATTE 22.8.1887 reg. 1887/005476. > > > > > > I have the Qld Pioneers Index 1829 - 1889 at home. No places are > > > given > > > > in > > > > > > these indexes. > > > > > > I go to the State Library most Sundays and would be happy to do > some > > > > > > lookups. Most states have Federation Indexes usually from 1889 - > > 1901, > > > > > > Edwardian 1902 - 1913, Great War 1914 - 1920 and by and large this > > is > > > > > where > > > > > > the births end. Marriages and Deaths vary too but generally 1921 - > > > 1945, > > > > > > then Deaths only vary from 1945 - 1985. > > > > > > There has been a recent expansion of the marriage and death > indexes > > in > > > > NSW > > > > > > who now have marriages to about 1953 and deaths to 1970 > > > > > > Because I have few direct relatives in Queensland I'm not fully au > > > fait > > > > > with > > > > > > the details, but I think the deaths now go to about 1970. Anyhow > I'd > > > be > > > > > > happy to check for you. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > > > > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:00 PM > > > > > > Subject: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ray, thanks for the offer of finding the registration no for > > me. > > > I > > > > > > will send you full details off -list but the basic details are > > > > > > > Groom James Joseph HATTE > > > > > > > Bride Fanny Margaret Ivanna NICHOLAS > > > > > > > married on 19 October 1886 Charters Towers > > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > > Margaret > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc > you > > > > cannot > > > > > > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name > of > > > the > > > > > > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.6/152 - Release Date: > > > > > 31/10/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > > > > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you > > cannot > > > > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of > the > > > > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/161 - Release Date: > > > 3/11/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > > > questions & Quiries. > > > > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: > 5/11/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > >