Hello Pat Firstly I apologise, I have found the certificate for the marriage of John Howell to Rachel Evan. Two lessons learnt, firstly keep better records and secondly, don't take a two year break from FHS!! Sorry again for any work and time you have given to this but I promise to be better organised from here on in. 7th December 1837 John Howell aged 24 Labourer residence at time of marriage Penyback married Rachel Evan aged 22 Servant residence at time of marriage Llanboidy. John's father was a David Howell it reads on the certificate as sailor? Rachel's father was John Evan (weaver). So next wish to trace Evan family from Llanboidy and Howell family, I do have John Howell born 13.11.1813 in Llangan, I am just trying to find Penyback to see if this is near Llangan. Sorry again for any inconvenience caused David

Hello Dave I have a record of the marriage of John and Rachel on Dec 7th 1837 in Llanboisy from the DyfedFHS fiche of births marriages and deaths in the Llanboisy parish register. So I would think it definitely happened. You should be able to buy a copy of the parish register page from the Haverfordwest Record Office for about £1. As it is after July 1837 it will give you all the details from the marriage e.g fathers name and occupation etc. (I only have the date on the fiche) I originally asked you for the marriage details for John and Rachel because I had saved this message you sent to the list in 2003 where you said you already had the marriage certificate as shown below:- "----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Howells Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:19 PM Subject: John Howell Pauline wander if you can help, I have from CRO a copy of marriage cert for John Howell to Rachel Evan 7/12/1837 in Church of Llanboidy to the rites and ceremonies of the C of E. but I have been to NLW today and cannot find anything in the BT's what do you think? rgds" Possibly you had a note of the marriage date and thought at the time that it had come from a certificate. Anyway if you send for the parish register entry I would be very interested in the details. What did you think of my comment on Daniel rather than David? By the way in your family details that you sent me you have Benjamin shown as born 1841 - In the 1851 census he is aged & and David is aged 10. All for now Pat Cheers Pat In message <000501c60ed0$1e8a3bc0$95e02552@fishtank>, Dave Howells <d.jhowells@blueyonder.co.uk> writes >HAPPY NEW YEAR to you all, > >Hello Pat >I cannot think where the marriage information came from for John Howell and >Rachel Evan. >In the 1861 census I have found living in Cottage, River Side, Landdowror >John Howell aged 47 agricultural lab born Llangan >Rachel Howell aged 45 wife born Carmarthen..... >listed are children my line is son >John Howell son 10 born Llanddowror >In the 1851 census, which I have not seen but Pauline found for me was >John Howell aged 39 railway lab born Llangan >Rachel Howell aged 34 born Llanglydwen >So this information I have recorded, the marriage of John and Rachel >(7.12.1837. Lanboidy), I cannot find where I got this info from, I have no >marriage certificate. So I will have to pick the line up from here, to >clarify this info, first >finding if this marriage date is correct and any parent info etc. I cannot >think >where this marriage info came from, unless Pauline had found this out for me >before. >I have looked on the 1837 online.com but there is no marriage for above, the >only >marriage in that qtr is >John Howell to Mary Evan Narberth vol.26 page 809 >That is the only marriage can it be just a coincidence that a John Howell >married an Evan >in the qtr I am searching, could the Mary be a mistake or did she take up >the name Rachel for >some reason? All census rtns and John Howell jnr have her down as Rachel. >Also would Narberth be the right district? >It is this marriage where I have to go from here, what do you think would be >the next logical >step to take? >Hope this is clear, best wishes Dave > > -- Pat Powell

HAPPY NEW YEAR to you all, Hello Pat I cannot think where the marriage information came from for John Howell and Rachel Evan. In the 1861 census I have found living in Cottage, River Side, Landdowror John Howell aged 47 agricultural lab born Llangan Rachel Howell aged 45 wife born Carmarthen..... listed are children my line is son John Howell son 10 born Llanddowror In the 1851 census, which I have not seen but Pauline found for me was John Howell aged 39 railway lab born Llangan Rachel Howell aged 34 born Llanglydwen So this information I have recorded, the marriage of John and Rachel (7.12.1837. Lanboidy), I cannot find where I got this info from, I have no marriage certificate. So I will have to pick the line up from here, to clarify this info, first finding if this marriage date is correct and any parent info etc. I cannot think where this marriage info came from, unless Pauline had found this out for me before. I have looked on the 1837 online.com but there is no marriage for above, the only marriage in that qtr is John Howell to Mary Evan Narberth vol.26 page 809 That is the only marriage can it be just a coincidence that a John Howell married an Evan in the qtr I am searching, could the Mary be a mistake or did she take up the name Rachel for some reason? All census rtns and John Howell jnr have her down as Rachel. Also would Narberth be the right district? It is this marriage where I have to go from here, what do you think would be the next logical step to take? Hope this is clear, best wishes Dave

Hello David I seem to remember this query before as I have Howells from Llangan. You did say previously that you had the marriage certificate. Presunably that gives john's father's name and occupation?? I thought I had asked you for all the details - but I can't find any record of it. Can you give me all the details (for both bride and groom and witnesses) and I'll see if I can find out anything for you. Happy New Year Pat In message <000b01c60e22$251296d0$95e02552@fishtank>, Dave Howells <d.jhowells@blueyonder.co.uk> writes >Hello Pauline >I am still trying to search info on Rachel Evan, you will not remember but >you were helping me with this in 2003. >John Howell(s) born or bap 13.11.1813 Llangan >Rachel Evan born circa 1817 Llanglydwen >marriage was 7.12.1837 in Lanboidy. >Trying to find parent details for John Howell(s) >also birth details for Rachel Evan, the last time we spoke >you gave me info from the 1851 census for John and Rachel living in >Llanddowror giving him an age of 39 born Llangan and she aged 34 born >Llanglydwen. >Hope you can help >best wishes David > > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research questions >& Quiries. >http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > -- Pat Powell

Hello Pauline I am still trying to search info on Rachel Evan, you will not remember but you were helping me with this in 2003. John Howell(s) born or bap 13.11.1813 Llangan Rachel Evan born circa 1817 Llanglydwen marriage was 7.12.1837 in Lanboidy. Trying to find parent details for John Howell(s) also birth details for Rachel Evan, the last time we spoke you gave me info from the 1851 census for John and Rachel living in Llanddowror giving him an age of 39 born Llangan and she aged 34 born Llanglydwen. Hope you can help best wishes David

Just wishing everyone HAPPY NEW YEAR hope that the year brings everything you ask for Good Luck Pauline

Dave posted a message before I had chance to subscribe him.....sorry Dave..... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Howells" <d.jhowells@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:33 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Howell-Llanddowror > Hello all > Hope I am doing this correctly? Just introducing myself. > I have been on family history research for a good 5-6 years now but had a > break from it in the last 12 months. > I am now concentrating on my direct family, so am searching the Howell > family from Llandoworor, presently back to 1840-1850 and going further > back to Howell of Llangan 1813 who married a Rachel Evan in Lamboidy in > 1837. > So once I have got my mind around this website will be asking a few > questions, cant wait to get started again. > best wishes Dave >

Hi Margaret, My question was in relation to your seeking the date of a possible marriage in Australia of the Nicholas' who attended the wedding, refer below. Our eldest daughter, husband and family ( 3 children 14,12 and 10) arrive Monday Jan 2 for a month - bedlam ensues. Happy New Year from a very hot and humid Bribie Island. Regards Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 10:21 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > Hi Ray, thanks for letting me know of your plans. > Christmas has rather taken over lately so Family History has been on the > back burner for little while, although I did send copies of information I > recently received to family members. > I promised to give you the ages of John Nicholas and Amelia Shaw,..I don't > seem to have any indication of what they would be in the information that I > have. > James Joseph HATTE I reckon to have been born circa 1858 in Ireland, and > his wife 1866 in India. > Was it the Nicholas family that you wanted? > Have a Happy Holiday Season and Nadolig Llawen i chi! (Happy Christmas to > you!) > Hwyl > Margaret. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:59 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-I] Queensland BDM > > > > Hi Margaret, > > I will, in the not too distant future, unsubscribe from the list, but feel > > free to contact me about your family. I'm only too willing to help a > genuine > > researcher. > > Happy Christmas and may 2006 be very kind to you. > > Regards. > > > > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > Hi Ray > > > Thank you SO much for all your work! It's very exciting to find out the > > > dates that they arrived in Australia. > > > I'll check the details that I have and let you know the ages. > > > There is a family story that there are connections with Canada which may > > > have been where they were married... > > > Many thanks again. > > > Hwyl > > > Margaret. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:45 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > Hi Margaret, > > > > The reg. number for Frederick is 1940/804 83 44 > > > > I did a quick check of immigrants and found two HATTE (no variations): > > > > Frederick age 19 arr. on the Duke of Westminster January 11, 1886 at > > > > Brisbane. > > > > Joseph " 21 " " " Dunbar Castle October 26, 1880 > > > also > > > > at Brisbane. > > > > I searched the Qld marriages from 1829 to 1930 for a marriage of John > > > > Nicholas and Amelia Shaw without success. I've also searched all > states' > > > > Pioneer Indexes up to 1888/9 again without success. > > > > They could have been married in another state after this date. Could > you > > > > give me some indication of there ages, which would narrow the search. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:47 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ray, > > > > > I thought you'd be interested to know that I've received the > marriage > > > > > certificate, and it makes very interesting reading! > > > > > I notice that some of the information you sent me now seems > > particularly > > > > > relevant, especially "Hatte: > > > > > > > Frederick if. James m. Annie Kirkwood 26.6.1940" > > > > > This would appear to be the brother of the Groom as his parents are > > > given > > > > as > > > > > the above. > > > > > > > > > > Also the bride's Father was present at the wedding, so I should be > > > looking > > > > > for John NICHOLAS married to Amelia Bristow Shaw,as they were in > > > > Australia, > > > > > but the Hatte parents not necessarily there at that time. > > > > > I'd be very grateful if you would send me the relevant reg nos . > > > > > many thanks > > > > > Hwyl > > > > > Margaret. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > > > > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:40 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Margaret, > > > > > > > First, $24.50 is the total cost and all certs are exempt GST > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, with regard to the HATTES.. I couldn't find any > further > > > B,D > > > > & > > > > > M > > > > > > > for that family, so it is possible they all returned to England, > > but > > > > > that > > > > > > > would have to be verified. > > > > > > > I did find a number of other HATTE events, which may be of > > interest: > > > > > > > Births: > > > > > > > To Frederick and Annie De Courcey > > > > > > > Emily Ilma . 2.12. 1906 reg. 1907/ 00004 > > > > > > > Stephen Francis Charles 19.12.1912 erg. 1913/ 000011 > > > > > > > Wilton Edward Kenneth 2.11.14 reg. 1914/000189. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Deaths: > > > > > > > Hatty: > > > > > > > James McPherson f. Alexander m. Georgina Well 6.5.1944 > > > > > > > Hatte: > > > > > > > Frederick f. James m. Annie Kirkwood 26.6.1940 > > > > > > > Kenneth Kirkwood f. William Kirkwood m.eliz.Theresa Kath. > > Flaherty > > > > > > > 2.11.1951 > > > > > > > Stephen Francis Chas. parents above under births 27.12.1952 > > > > > > > Gertrude Frances August Nehmer m. Catherine Mulligan 10.12.1956 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriages: > > > > > > > Hatte (also Hattie), Frederick James m Gertrude Fran. Nehmer > 1954 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Births index end at 1919, marriages 1956 and deaths 1964 for > > > > Queensland. > > > > > > > I have the reg numbers if you want them. > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > > > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: > > > 1/12/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > > > > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/200 - Release Date: > > 14/12/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 23/12/2005 > >

Hello, I would like to find out more information on the LEWIS family on the 1861 Wales census, especially Henry Lewis, age 19 born abt 1842 in Conwil, Carmarthenshire, Wales. In 1861 the family was living in Aberdare, Glamorgan. How can I determine if the father died before the next census? I am trying to find a mother Mary Lewis and son Henry Lewis who probably went together to Pennsylvania, USA just before 1870. He was a coal miner. Census info: RG9/4065 Merthyr Tydfil Aberdare Source RG 9/4065 Page 24 105 GSU #543228 Thank you for all suggestions and help! Tomi Larson Oswego, New York

Hello Gwenda - Thank you for the email. I hope you had a good Christmas. We were all at my son and daughter in law's with my 2 daughters and their husbands and all seven and a half grandchildren - it was a bit chaotic but great fun. I will be transcribing the 50 pages from America in the New Year and I would be delighted if you would be willing to check them for me before I send it to Pauline. I have still not sent the other transcriptions to Pauline yet as I was waiting for the missing ten years first so that it was complete but perhaps I will send it now to ensure no losses - I would hate to have to do it again!! best wishes Diana ps your email addresses seems to be playing up!!

To all listers Wishing you a very Merry Christmas and lots of luck and good wishes for the coming year. Pat -- Pat Powell

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Barbara > [Original Message] > From: carmsman <carmsman@rhod.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 12/23/2005 11:35:06 PM > Subject: [Cmn-L] Nadolig Llawen > > Nadolig Llawen Pawb > Rhodri > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > if this message has not been received by the intended recipient; please delete it from your system and inform: > mailmaster@rhod.net > thank you. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

May I take this opportunity to wish all Listers Merry Christmas and Happy Healthy and Prosperous New Year Nadolig LLawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda. Hope everyone has a wonderful time whatever you are doing Pauline and Richard Merry Christmas

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Hi Ray, thanks for letting me know of your plans. Christmas has rather taken over lately so Family History has been on the back burner for little while, although I did send copies of information I recently received to family members. I promised to give you the ages of John Nicholas and Amelia Shaw,..I don't seem to have any indication of what they would be in the information that I have. James Joseph HATTE I reckon to have been born circa 1858 in Ireland, and his wife 1866 in India. Was it the Nicholas family that you wanted? Have a Happy Holiday Season and Nadolig Llawen i chi! (Happy Christmas to you!) Hwyl Margaret. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:59 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-I] Queensland BDM > Hi Margaret, > I will, in the not too distant future, unsubscribe from the list, but feel > free to contact me about your family. I'm only too willing to help a genuine > researcher. > Happy Christmas and may 2006 be very kind to you. > Regards. > > Ray > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > Hi Ray > > Thank you SO much for all your work! It's very exciting to find out the > > dates that they arrived in Australia. > > I'll check the details that I have and let you know the ages. > > There is a family story that there are connections with Canada which may > > have been where they were married... > > Many thanks again. > > Hwyl > > Margaret. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:45 AM > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > Hi Margaret, > > > The reg. number for Frederick is 1940/804 83 44 > > > I did a quick check of immigrants and found two HATTE (no variations): > > > Frederick age 19 arr. on the Duke of Westminster January 11, 1886 at > > > Brisbane. > > > Joseph " 21 " " " Dunbar Castle October 26, 1880 > > also > > > at Brisbane. > > > I searched the Qld marriages from 1829 to 1930 for a marriage of John > > > Nicholas and Amelia Shaw without success. I've also searched all states' > > > Pioneer Indexes up to 1888/9 again without success. > > > They could have been married in another state after this date. Could you > > > give me some indication of there ages, which would narrow the search. > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:47 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ray, > > > > I thought you'd be interested to know that I've received the marriage > > > > certificate, and it makes very interesting reading! > > > > I notice that some of the information you sent me now seems > particularly > > > > relevant, especially "Hatte: > > > > > > Frederick if. James m. Annie Kirkwood 26.6.1940" > > > > This would appear to be the brother of the Groom as his parents are > > given > > > as > > > > the above. > > > > > > > > Also the bride's Father was present at the wedding, so I should be > > looking > > > > for John NICHOLAS married to Amelia Bristow Shaw,as they were in > > > Australia, > > > > but the Hatte parents not necessarily there at that time. > > > > I'd be very grateful if you would send me the relevant reg nos . > > > > many thanks > > > > Hwyl > > > > Margaret. > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > > > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:40 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Margaret, > > > > > > First, $24.50 is the total cost and all certs are exempt GST > > > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, with regard to the HATTES.. I couldn't find any further > > B,D > > > & > > > > M > > > > > > for that family, so it is possible they all returned to England, > but > > > > that > > > > > > would have to be verified. > > > > > > I did find a number of other HATTE events, which may be of > interest: > > > > > > Births: > > > > > > To Frederick and Annie De Courcey > > > > > > Emily Ilma . 2.12. 1906 reg. 1907/ 00004 > > > > > > Stephen Francis Charles 19.12.1912 erg. 1913/ 000011 > > > > > > Wilton Edward Kenneth 2.11.14 reg. 1914/000189. > > > > > > > > > > > > Deaths: > > > > > > Hatty: > > > > > > James McPherson f. Alexander m. Georgina Well 6.5.1944 > > > > > > Hatte: > > > > > > Frederick f. James m. Annie Kirkwood 26.6.1940 > > > > > > Kenneth Kirkwood f. William Kirkwood m.eliz.Theresa Kath. > Flaherty > > > > > > 2.11.1951 > > > > > > Stephen Francis Chas. parents above under births 27.12.1952 > > > > > > Gertrude Frances August Nehmer m. Catherine Mulligan 10.12.1956 > > > > > > > > > > > > Marriages: > > > > > > Hatte (also Hattie), Frederick James m Gertrude Fran. Nehmer 1954 > > > > > > > > > > > > Births index end at 1919, marriages 1956 and deaths 1964 for > > > Queensland. > > > > > > I have the reg numbers if you want them. > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: > > 1/12/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > > > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/200 - Release Date: > 14/12/2005 > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >

Hi Dave Happy Holidays to you too.............yes, Joe does keep us going with his wit... Send this message to the members list too...... Thanks for all you do for CFHS regards speak soon Pauline Merry Christmas and Prosperous New Year ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Davies" <felinfoel71@yahoo.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 5:46 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Happy holidays to all ( and in particular Joe from Pennsylvania) > Just a note to say Happy Holidays to all from Boulder CO, and to say to > Joseph Gregory from Pennsylvania that I appreciate his flashes of humor, > it is worth checking out your messages Joe, I get a little laugh in the > morning. > And of course to Pauline and Richard for all their help; as well as all > those listers who helped me find a lot of information about my family over > and above just names and dates, much of this goes on off line and it makes > this list worth while. > Dave Davies > Boulder CO > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Glad to be of help. Must admit I get more out of the peripheral learning than I do from the ancestral search. Has increased my knowledge of Welsh, British and European history; geography, Welsh language and etymology of place names. Haven't gone down the palaeography route yet, but there are a lot of people interested in it. Rhodri -----Original Message----- From: gaycastle [mailto:castleoaks@comcast.net] Sent: 21 December 2005 18:52 To: carmsman Subject: 1785 Carmarthenshire Will PALEOGRAPHY Thank you, Rhodri, for the URL to the National Archives section on paleography. I have started the interactive tutorial and believe it will be a big help in transcribing the will. I have also purchased a book the National Archives recommends, " Wills and Other Probate Records: A practical guide to researching your ancestors' last documents" by Nigel Taylor and Karen Grannum. The book provides explanations of legal terminology and gives examples of wills. Wishing you a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Gay >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if this message has not been received by the intended recipient; please delete it from your system and inform: mailmaster@rhod.net thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hi Margaret, I will, in the not too distant future, unsubscribe from the list, but feel free to contact me about your family. I'm only too willing to help a genuine researcher. Happy Christmas and may 2006 be very kind to you. Regards. Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > Hi Ray > Thank you SO much for all your work! It's very exciting to find out the > dates that they arrived in Australia. > I'll check the details that I have and let you know the ages. > There is a family story that there are connections with Canada which may > have been where they were married... > Many thanks again. > Hwyl > Margaret. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > Hi Margaret, > > The reg. number for Frederick is 1940/804 83 44 > > I did a quick check of immigrants and found two HATTE (no variations): > > Frederick age 19 arr. on the Duke of Westminster January 11, 1886 at > > Brisbane. > > Joseph " 21 " " " Dunbar Castle October 26, 1880 > also > > at Brisbane. > > I searched the Qld marriages from 1829 to 1930 for a marriage of John > > Nicholas and Amelia Shaw without success. I've also searched all states' > > Pioneer Indexes up to 1888/9 again without success. > > They could have been married in another state after this date. Could you > > give me some indication of there ages, which would narrow the search. > > Hope this helps. > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "SM Coomey" <smcoomey@bigfoot.com> > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > Hi Ray, > > > I thought you'd be interested to know that I've received the marriage > > > certificate, and it makes very interesting reading! > > > I notice that some of the information you sent me now seems particularly > > > relevant, especially "Hatte: > > > > > Frederick if. James m. Annie Kirkwood 26.6.1940" > > > This would appear to be the brother of the Groom as his parents are > given > > as > > > the above. > > > > > > Also the bride's Father was present at the wedding, so I should be > looking > > > for John NICHOLAS married to Amelia Bristow Shaw,as they were in > > Australia, > > > but the Hatte parents not necessarily there at that time. > > > I'd be very grateful if you would send me the relevant reg nos . > > > many thanks > > > Hwyl > > > Margaret. > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ray Edmunds" <Wattle@iprimus.com.au> > > > > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:40 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Queensland BDM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Margaret, > > > > > First, $24.50 is the total cost and all certs are exempt GST > > > > > > > > > > Secondly, with regard to the HATTES.. I couldn't find any further > B,D > > & > > > M > > > > > for that family, so it is possible they all returned to England, but > > > that > > > > > would have to be verified. > > > > > I did find a number of other HATTE events, which may be of interest: > > > > > Births: > > > > > To Frederick and Annie De Courcey > > > > > Emily Ilma . 2.12. 1906 reg. 1907/ 00004 > > > > > Stephen Francis Charles 19.12.1912 erg. 1913/ 000011 > > > > > Wilton Edward Kenneth 2.11.14 reg. 1914/000189. > > > > > > > > > > Deaths: > > > > > Hatty: > > > > > James McPherson f. Alexander m. Georgina Well 6.5.1944 > > > > > Hatte: > > > > > Frederick f. James m. Annie Kirkwood 26.6.1940 > > > > > Kenneth Kirkwood f. William Kirkwood m.eliz.Theresa Kath. Flaherty > > > > > 2.11.1951 > > > > > Stephen Francis Chas. parents above under births 27.12.1952 > > > > > Gertrude Frances August Nehmer m. Catherine Mulligan 10.12.1956 > > > > > > > > > > Marriages: > > > > > Hatte (also Hattie), Frederick James m Gertrude Fran. Nehmer 1954 > > > > > > > > > > Births index end at 1919, marriages 1956 and deaths 1964 for > > Queensland. > > > > > I have the reg numbers if you want them. > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > > > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/190 - Release Date: > 1/12/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/200 - Release Date: 14/12/2005 > >

Hello Pauline, I was thinking the person who wrote the place name down , probably wrote it as it sounded to them hence the wrong pronunciation , I was thinking Llangain? Mary would have been born abt 1824 as she was 18 when she arrived in Tasmania in 1842 As I said I know her parents were Thomas and Elizabeth Davis, then again it could have been Davies . this is so frustrating. Suzanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 1:21 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] MARY DAVIS > Suzanne do you have an approx age for Mary Davis/Evans > > Do not know of the place name you mention, but imagine being an Australian > hearing a broad welsh accent and never even seen the welsh language let > along spell it.....if she could not read or write it would be spelt as they > heard it...... > > Perhaps Llangendeirne.....you say and it see what that sounds like!! Take a > look at our webpages there is a parish map there to enlarge and download all > the Carmarthenshire parishes are listed > > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Suzanne" <suzyq4@bigpond.com.au> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:47 AM > Subject: [Cmn-L] MARY DAVIS > > > > Hello , my name is Suzanne and I am researching my Fathers family > > In 1841 Mary Davis left aboard the "Emma Eugenia" from Woolwich London > > transported to Australia for 7 years for stealing , she arrived in 1842 . > > Mary had been tried and convicted at Glamorgan Quarter Sessions, > > Her family in Carmarthenshire were listed as Mother Elizabeth, brothers > > John and David and a sister Rachel. > > I am trying to find out where the family lived in Carmathenshire > > Facts I have -Mary was known and tried as Mary Evans > > Mary's father was Thomas Davis/ Davies, her mother Elizabeth > > On a legal document written in 1867 she lists her birthplace as " > > Lattigyne" in another it looks like "Lathgyne" (Parish) > > I would like to find out where she came from, can someone help me please, > > Mary was my GreatgreatGrandmother > > Suzanne > > suzyq4@bigpond.com > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research > > questions & Quiries. > > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research questions & Quiries. > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > >

Hello Christine I see you have changed your e-mail address. If you remember we spoke about your Howell family early on in the year - about May I think - and you said you were going to send for the death certificate of Francis. Did you manage to get it? I would be interested in the details. I didn't find him in 1841 at the time - but I think I just looked around the surrounding area - I'll try a little further afield. Cheers Pat In message <00c901c6060b$c0fd7200$6602a8c0@carmarthen>, Pauline James <paulinejames@onvol.net> writes >Christine sent the message before she was added to the accept list (due to >spammers) so I am forwarding for her > >Pauline > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Christine Challis" <cmchallis@hotmail.com> >To: <carmarthenshire-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:47 AM >Subject: {not a subscriber} HOWELL in 1841 > > >> I am new to the Carmarthen list, having been "at home" in >> Pembroke. I would like to find out if there is an index for the 1841 >> census. If there is, would someone with access to it please look for >> Francis Howell, about age 10. He is not at home in Llawhaden, Pembroke >> with his parents Richard HOWELL and Elizabeth, nee MORGAN. In fact, he >> does not appear to be anywhere in Pembroke. I thought perhaps he might be >> with relatives in Carmarthen as that is where his mother was from. He >> died and was buried in the Rhydwilym Baptist Cemetery, Landisillio in >> January of 1842. >> >> Thanks for taking the time. >> >> Christine >> >> Olathe, Kansas >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >> get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement >> > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research questions >& Quiries. >http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > -- Pat Powell