Hi Tomi - do not despair we will get there. Can anyone help? Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomi Larson" <tomil23@hotmail.com> To: <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [CmnFHS] Re: Port arrivals > Hi Diana, > The problem is Henry is the child. His children were all born in the USA > and there were no mandatory records in Pennsylvania before 1907. I don't > know his father in Wales. Therefore, if I find some families in the > census with a child named Henry, I don't see how I know it's the right > family, right father? There are quite a few families with boys named > Henry, all born between 1840-1843. (On the US Census, Henry's birth ranges > from 1840-1843). I do know their is a woman Mary, who could be his mother, > which narrows it down a bit, but there are still a dozen families with > Mary and Henry in them and how do I ever know which is the right one? I > could order birth certificates for a dozen Henry's, but I don't see how I > figure which one is mine. The only clue is his middle name, Zacariah, > which I don't know if middle names are on birth certificates. So, I am > hoping someone with more knowledge than I can help eliminate the dozens of > Henrys to find a few excellent possibilities. That is why I joined the > CFHS, hoping someone with a knowledge of the area, etc could help. So many > people are more adept at 'surfing' the census information than I seem to > be. So far I haven't got many responses from the list, except from you and > one or two others. > > I have printed about 10 different census pages with likely Henrys, but > that's where I am stuck. I am hoping the 1841 census might help me find > some possiblities of fathers, but if Henry was born in 1842, he wouldn't > be with a family in 1841. > > > Still plugging along, > Tomi > > > >>From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> >>To: "Tomi Larson" <tomil23@hotmail.com> >>Subject: Re: Fw: [CmnFHS] Re: Port arrivals >>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 06:13:38 -0000 >> >>Hello Tomi - the only way you are going to be sure that you have the right >>person is to find the birth certificate of one of the children of Henry. >>Anyone born AFTER 1837. Send off for the certificate (you can do it at >>www.1837online.com ) you then have the father with occupation and the >>mother with maiden name and the place where the child was registered. >>Then we will know where to start to look for a marriage. Even before >>1837 all marriages in the UK took place in parish churches, they were not >>allowed to get married anywhere else and the parish records are all >>available (well mostly). All baptisms are recorded in the parish >>records >>alot of which are transcribed and if he does come from Carmarthenshire or >>Glamorgan then you will have every chance of finding not only his marriage >>but also his entry of baptism. ALL children were baptised - not >>necessarily at birth and often the whole family of the children were done >>together as it was cheaper. They are there it is just a case of >>logically >>finding them. >> >>The only problem you will have with baptisms is if they were in the >>Baptist >>Church. These are only baptised as adults in the strict baptist >>churches >>such as Adulam and up until a couple of months ago none of these records >>of >>Adulam had been transcribed or translated from the Welsh. This is what >>Gwenda (doing the welsh bit) and I have been doing for the months before >>Christmas. This section of their records is finished - it was a total >>mess >>and a nightmare to do and we were both exhausted at the end of it. I >>have >>another 50 pages from another section to do but cannot face it at the >>moment!! >> >>We do all have our brickwalls - only last night I found one of my >>husband's >>family living with a different family!! He had been searching for that >>one for years. The little clue was that on one of the censuses it gave >>a different birth place to the general area!! That was how we found her. >> >>So.......give the list the name and approximate date of birth of a child >>of Henry Lewis and let us find that first. Then send off for the >>certificate. Then we will be able to find the marriage. The marriage >>certificate will give the name of the father of Henry Lewis along with the >>father's occupation. >> >>hope this helps >>Diana >> >> >> > > > >

Hi again Tomi - right so they should be on the 1861 census then. I will have another look at that one and also the RG9/4110 for you. Diana ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tomi Larson" <tomil23@hotmail.com> To: <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: Re: Henry Zacharia Lewis. > They were gone by 1871. I think they went to USA around 1865-1869. > > I found a Henry and Hannah as a stepson and stepdaughter on a census but > didn't write down the year of the census on the sheet. It's the 1851 or > 1861 census and RG 9/4110 maybe page 7. > > > > >>From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> >>To: "Tomi Larson" <tomil23@hotmail.com> >>Subject: Re: Henry Zacharia Lewis. >>Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 18:17:30 -0000 >> >>Hi Tomi - and they were gone by 1861? I have just been through all 44 >>Henry Lewis's born in Wales between 1840 and 1843 on the 1861 census and >>there is not one with a Henry with sister Hannah (though of course it >>could be put down as Ann) with a mother Mary. I am looking at the 1851 >>at present but now I do not have the added bonus of Hannah in the family - >>shame. >> >>I will have a look on the 1841 but I only have Carmarthenshire - but you >>have that one as well also there is the Glamorgan census index on the CFHS >>site. I will leave you to look through that one - only put the minimum >>information in the index look up so as not to exclude any. I know the >>name Lewis was most common in Carmarthenshire from my own experience!! I >>still reckon you should ask Pauline to look on the IGI for a Henry Lewis >>with mother Mary. Another way forward is to contact www.1837online.com >>and give them all the information that you have and ask for a five year >>search for Henry Lewis 1840 to 1843 with a mother Mary and a sister Hannah >>born 1853. I had one I could not find and I sent off for about 5 >>certificates before I actually found him! >> >>Diana >> >> >> > > > >

Dear Pat, I am still trying to find Francis Howell, age 10, somewhere in Carmarthen in 1841 to prove or disprove my theory that he is one and the same as Charles Howell, age 18, in Llawhaden Pembroke at home of parents in 1841. No one besides you responded to my first inquiry. Can you tell me if the 1841 census has been indexed for all of Carmarthen? If so, is it available for purchase? Thanks for you help. Christine >From: Pat Powell <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> >Reply-To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [Cmn-L] Fw: HOWELL in 1841 >Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:46:32 +0000 > >Hello Christine > >I see you have changed your e-mail address. >If you remember we spoke about your Howell family early on in the year - >about May I think - and you said you were going to send for the death >certificate of Francis. > >Did you manage to get it? I would be interested in the details. > >I didn't find him in 1841 at the time - but I think I just looked around >the surrounding area - I'll try a little further afield. > >Cheers > >Pat > > > > >In message <00c901c6060b$c0fd7200$6602a8c0@carmarthen>, Pauline James ><paulinejames@onvol.net> writes > >Christine sent the message before she was added to the accept list (due >to > >spammers) so I am forwarding for her > > > >Pauline > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Christine Challis" <cmchallis@hotmail.com> > >To: <carmarthenshire-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 4:47 AM > >Subject: {not a subscriber} HOWELL in 1841 > > > > > >> I am new to the Carmarthen list, having been "at home" in > >> Pembroke. I would like to find out if there is an index for the 1841 > >> census. If there is, would someone with access to it please look for > >> Francis Howell, about age 10. He is not at home in Llawhaden, Pembroke > >> with his parents Richard HOWELL and Elizabeth, nee MORGAN. In fact, he > >> does not appear to be anywhere in Pembroke. I thought perhaps he might >be > >> with relatives in Carmarthen as that is where his mother was from. He > >> died and was buried in the Rhydwilym Baptist Cemetery, Landisillio in > >> January of 1842. > >> > >> Thanks for taking the time. > >> > >> Christine > >> > >> Olathe, Kansas > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how >to > >> get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > >> > > > > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > >GenWeb & Genconnect pages for your genealogical web links and research >questions > >& Quiries. > >http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > >-- >Pat Powell > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: E. Schreuder [mailto:e.schreuder7@chello.nl] Verzonden: zondag 1 januari 2006 21:38 Aan: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Onderwerp: [Cmn-L] Margaret Morgan Hello List, Am looking for Margaret Morgan, 56 widow in 1901 and at 19 Mill Lane, Llanelli. In 1891 together with dau Elisabeth, 22 and son William Morgan,12. Both not with mother in 1901. Think father must have died between 1879 and 1881.Margaret was already widow in 1881. Anybody familiar with this family? Elwyn.- Netherlands. ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk

Hello Alan, You may have already done this; but just in case you haven't - have a look at the 1881 British Census on Family Search. I did a search for Carmarthenshire it came up with: Ann Tinnuche and son Thomas living in Llanddarog and possibly Ann's husband, Paul, lodging in Llanelli. Here's the link: www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp Good luck, Anne Powell. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ATennuchi@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 12:15 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] TINNUCHE > Hi There > I am looking for any listings of the TINNUCHE family in the Llanelly area. > They would have moved from London c1860. > > Any help would be appreciated. I am looking for Parish record listings of > the family. > > MAny Thanks > > Alan > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

I remember a Tinnuche family in the Bryn, Nr Llanelli when I was a boy there in the 1940/1950s. I can't remember their names or where exactly they lived. Hope this is some help Alan Roberts

Hi Anne Many thanks for the reply. I have previously checked the census' from 1861-1901 and have recorded these but I am still looking for the Parish Records which would tie in the family to the UK family. I know the link is there somewhere but unfortunately only the parish records will tie it in. Once again. MANY THANKS for your assistance. Alan

Hi Dave No it wouldn't I'm afraid unless she was one of the witnesses which has happened once in my family. Cheers Pat In message <000801c60fe3$5d476270$95e02552@fishtank>, Dave Howells <d.jhowells@blueyonder.co.uk> writes >Pat >Would the mothers name be in the church records for >the marriage of John Howell to Rachel Evan 7.12.1837 >Llanboidy? >rgds Dave > -- Pat Powell

Pat Would the mothers name be in the church records for the marriage of John Howell to Rachel Evan 7.12.1837 Llanboidy? rgds Dave

Hello list Can anyone tell me if the burial index for Carmarthenshire, is that all burials or is that what we have so far. I am looking for the burial date/place for Rachel Howell(s) Last know date alive 1859 in Llanddowror. Her husband died in 1865 in Llanddowror, she has not been buried with her husband. On the death certificate for John Howells, present was his son John who would have only been about 14. She was still alive in the 1861 census living with husband John and 3 of her children at Cottage, Riverside, Llanddowror. I cannot find her on Camrs burials or maybe she remarried after John died but should would have been 50 then. Hope someone has some ideas David

Jonah Jones is the one you mentioned in this email as being found in the IGI Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] tidying up! > Hello Pauline - as you can probably guess from the many and varied > requests I am tidying up all my family - good new year's job. Finding > more children for them etc etc. > > A long time ago you gave me a marriage of my Jonah Jones Llanfihangel to > Mary Jenkins Llanllwch in 1818. I now have a copy of the marriage entry > from the CRO. I cannot however find a certain birth for him. I > have a birth for him on the IGI of 1st Feb 1792 but on the 1841 he is 40 > so that would make it 1801 and on the 1861 census it says about 1796. He > lived his life at Magazine Row and Lammas St. Carmarthen - working as an > umbrella maker (good job to have in Wales!) > so........... > > 1. Would you be kind enough to look up to see if you have his birth in > Llanfihangel Abercowin. > > 2. Also Mary Jenkins birth in Llanllwch and then I can send off for > copies of the entries. > > thanks > Diana > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Hi Pauline - sorry not to have realised my mind is spinning a bit as I am trying to go forward on too many fronts! Firstly can I say that I did not realise that on the Carmarthenshire Family History Society Members website that you had so much else - including the Glamorgan 1841 index and images - how brilliant. I have been having a ball. Back to Jonah Jones - on the family search IGI I have his birth in Llanfihangel as 1st February 1792 with his death 17th May 1857 (this cannot be correct because I have him widowed on the 1871 census with his daughter Margaret Griffiths living in St. Peter's Carmarthen). He married Mary Jenkins at Llanllwch parish church on 28th September 1818. So I wondered if you had any better details of him. thank you Diana

Diana, where did the baptism take place according to IGI? Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] tidying up! > Thanks Pauline - I will try to get them from the CRO. > > Diana > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi diana I do not have records that early for those two parishes..... I have Carmathen Town, where did the IGI say the baptism took place? As you know by indexing Llanelly 1841 census that ages were rounded down for that one, sometimes I have found that by 1851 people have aged a whole 15 to 20 years and not the 10 as it should have been....as if it states 15 years old they could be 19 nearly 20....... Happy New Year Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] tidying up! > Hello Pauline - as you can probably guess from the many and varied > requests I am tidying up all my family - good new year's job. Finding > more children for them etc etc. > > A long time ago you gave me a marriage of my Jonah Jones Llanfihangel to > Mary Jenkins Llanllwch in 1818. I now have a copy of the marriage entry > from the CRO. I cannot however find a certain birth for him. I > have a birth for him on the IGI of 1st Feb 1792 but on the 1841 he is 40 > so that would make it 1801 and on the 1861 census it says about 1796. He > lived his life at Magazine Row and Lammas St. Carmarthen - working as an > umbrella maker (good job to have in Wales!) > so........... > > 1. Would you be kind enough to look up to see if you have his birth in > Llanfihangel Abercowin. > > 2. Also Mary Jenkins birth in Llanllwch and then I can send off for > copies of the entries. > > thanks > Diana > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

sorry Pauline - which one are we talking about as I am working on about 6 fronts!! Diana

Thanks Pauline - I will try to get them from the CRO. Diana

Hello Pauline - as you can probably guess from the many and varied requests I am tidying up all my family - good new year's job. Finding more children for them etc etc. A long time ago you gave me a marriage of my Jonah Jones Llanfihangel to Mary Jenkins Llanllwch in 1818. I now have a copy of the marriage entry from the CRO. I cannot however find a certain birth for him. I have a birth for him on the IGI of 1st Feb 1792 but on the 1841 he is 40 so that would make it 1801 and on the 1861 census it says about 1796. He lived his life at Magazine Row and Lammas St. Carmarthen - working as an umbrella maker (good job to have in Wales!) so........... 1. Would you be kind enough to look up to see if you have his birth in Llanfihangel Abercowin. 2. Also Mary Jenkins birth in Llanllwch and then I can send off for copies of the entries. thanks Diana

Hi There I am looking for any listings of the TINNUCHE family in the Llanelly area. They would have moved from London c1860. Any help would be appreciated. I am looking for Parish record listings of the family. MAny Thanks Alan

Hello List, Am looking for Margaret Morgan, 56 widow in 1901 and at 19 Mill Lane, Llanelli. In 1891 together with dau Elisabeth, 22 and son William Morgan,12. Both not with mother in 1901. Think father must have died between 1879 and 1881.Margaret was already widow in 1881. Anybody familiar with this family? Elwyn.- Netherlands.

Hello Pat Sorry meant to say as well from marriage of mentioned present at marriage were Henry Jenkins and Titus Howell John Evans B.D. vicar reading this starts to make sense of my scribbles Titus Howell (maybe brother of John??) married Esther Morris Llangnin 16.4.1829 rgds Dave