HI Diana did you send this to the members pages too, as Elwyn asked the question there, just in case members are not subscribed here too and are waiting for the answer thanks for all your hard work with indexing Diana....and to Gwenda who has made this project possible Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:39 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: [CmnFHS] Ty Newydd/Adulam Chapel > Hi Elwyn - a large chunk is already done but there are 10 missing years > and I was hoping to find those at either the NLW or the CRO and complete > it before Pauline puts it on the web. It seems a shame to have the years > missing between 1837 and 1848. At present no one can seem to find them. > > The pages I am doing at the moment were kindly sent to me by Dave Davies > and they are mostly lists of members and their giving each quarter. > There are a few family births and registrations there. > > best wishes > Diana > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >

Hi Pauline - please tell the NLW that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Diana

No sorry Pauline I did not put it on the members page. Do you want to forward it or shall I? Diana

Hello, Can sks help me with the following? My research subject was a prominent and influential citizen of Carmarthen Town between the 1840s through to the 1890s. Tradition has it that he was also Grand Master of the local Masonic Lodge. My question: Does anyone know of such a Lodge, its name and number, its location and whether there might be member's records extant for the relevant period? Sorry that is more than one question. I will be very grateful for any information available on this subject. Many thanks. Dorothy Higgins. [UK]

Dorothy: According to the 1992 " List of Masonic Lodges " there are three Lodges in Carmarthen. They are Caerfyddin # 4928, Kensington # 3667 and St. Peters # 476. The address for the Grand Lodge of England is in one of the other replies. Bob in NC

Hi Dave - did I thank you for that one - if not well thank you very much and if I did it automatically I would like to add an extra thanks!! I am so cross with the NLW who are giving me the run around over the Adulam records - I have forwarded your email to the supervisor!! They do not know what they are talking about - they say that Adulam and Ty Newydd are not the same!! They say that the records that I have been transcribing are Capel Als. I am sure that is not right but what do you think? It seems that alot of their stuff to do with Adulam has been mis-catalogued - how helpful is that! thanks again and I have just started transcribing the pages you sent me - I will email you a copy of them when I have finished. Diana

Find the nearest lodge to you - they are listed in the telephone directory, or use the business finder on _www.bt.com_ (http://www.bt.com) I used the directory some years ago to trace the lodge where my great-grandfather held a post. I found them very helpful. Anna Thomas

Hi Elwyn - a large chunk is already done but there are 10 missing years and I was hoping to find those at either the NLW or the CRO and complete it before Pauline puts it on the web. It seems a shame to have the years missing between 1837 and 1848. At present no one can seem to find them. The pages I am doing at the moment were kindly sent to me by Dave Davies and they are mostly lists of members and their giving each quarter. There are a few family births and registrations there. best wishes Diana

Hello Ron - my husband uses www.Rootschat.com but you need to know the county. Diana

W H Vivian married a girl by the name of Bool at Highworth in Wiltshire in 1837 and they quite soon moved to Wales. He was born in Bath but his father had moved there from Carmarthen in about 1808 with his grandfather. His mother may have died in childbirth. The interesting one of this family was Susannah because if it had not been for her we would not know of the origins of that family of Bool. They came from Montacute where her grandfather was working on the masonry of the house at that time and she was sent back there to her grandfather on account of her health. The foundries in Llanelli gave off some pretty foul fumes at that time. She was my Great aunt born about ten years earlier than my grandmother, all that time ago in the 1860s. I live quite near Montacute and looked up the name Bool in the village nearby. There is still one family of that name living in the village and doubtless relatives through being the offspring of my gggf/m as well.

Diana and Pauline I just saw the note about the confusion regarding the Tynewydd and Adulam names, here is a section from the Llanelli Community Heritage site that explains it. The name changed to Adulam in 1840. The records I have are the records transmitted in 1837 by Daniel Davies, they date back to 1709. I got them from the PRO at Kew (RG4 /3821) from www.LlanelliCommunityHeritage.org Adulam According to tradition, a small community of Baptists were said to have met and worshipped in the district of Llanelli before 1653. John Myles, a minister of Ilston (Gower) is listed as a ‘Lecturer’ there in 1656. ‘Lower Mill’ is reputed to be one of their meeting places. Following the restoration of the crown in 1660, Baptists were forced to worship in secret, hiding in houses and caves, as there was persecution of Nonconformist sects throughout the land. One such meeting place was in a cave not far from Felinfoel at a place called Goitrewen. In 1689, an Act of Religious Tolerance was passed allowing nonconformists to worship openly. The first Baptist chapel in the district was that built at Felinfoel in 1709. It was then known as ‘T&#375; Newydd’ meetinghouse, the name that it bore until 1840 when the chapel was rebuilt. It then took the name of ‘Adulam’. The old Felinfoel millpond would have been a suitable venue for the chapel’s baptismal ceremonies. Today, a purpose-built baptismal pool can still be seen in the village, adjacent to the Lliedi Bridge. ( end quote) If anyone has further information I would welcome it. Dave Davies

Hi Pauline, Back on the trail again, the Carmarthenshire antiquary Vol XXX11 1996 turned out to be a veritable goldmine, not just anthracite, for research into my Grandparents Vivian and Howell roots. I had traced Vivian (tinsmith and GAS FITTER) tentatively to 1802 and then lost in Cornwall and Howell back to Llechrydd at about the same time. While I have not done proof positive of the link between the Howell Family of Llanelli and that of Ffynnon Felin certainly one of their number was the Port collector at that time and there is a remarkable best fit between aural memory and written one, in terms of their non professions but well placed identity. We have always known our link with the Buckley brewery family and here he/she is Kemmis Buckley heading the research paper. Lots to work on there. Vivian, more humble people are yet more interesting still and not descended from the King of Wales and a lot rarer surname too in Cymru. Father did some research in Bath in the 1960s (hard slog) and was firmly of the opinion that his gggf had worked with William (miners lamp fame) Davey. Looking at the research in to the Carmarthen gas lighting project 1802 (Cam was one of the first towns to get gas lighting) I discover that William Murdoch was not only the work partner of this said ancestor in Cornwall but also in Carmarthen. The Sara Vivian who died in 1807 in Carmarthen almost certainly died in childbirth and was the wife of the Thomas who came from Cornwall with William Murdoch in the 1790s. He then moved to Bath and his grandson born in 1837 moved BACK to Llanelli in about 1865. He was my Grandmother's father. This detail may have been researched by others seeing it from a slightly different angle and if anybody knows of it please let me know. It was only a glimmer in my eye that his Father/GF had been living in Llanelli and that was why he moved back there in 1865, but with the knowledge of the Carmarthen gas mantle project in 1802 it becomes much, much clearer! He had a large and lively family remembered to this day, and died round the turn of the 19th/20thC. My grandmother ran the pub called the Brose Arms after the name of the Estate owned by people she thought to be distant relatives. Her Father was after all a William Henry Vivian, with EXACTLY the same name as the son and heir of the Foundry business! Thus it does again seem possible that there is a junior branch of the Vivian family founders of the smelting business, who were mere publicans, plumbers and gas fitters by the late 19thC. Even so Vivian was a fairly common name in Redruth but not in Wales! There is now little doubt that my GGGGGF worked with James Watt junior in the Bolton and Watt firm but more importantly in the experiments done in the home of William Murdoch in Redruth, home which is now a museum, where Murdoch first controlled the use of gas for very effective lighting in the home. It was quite soon after this that Murdoch services were requested by the Carmarthen corporation to supply public gas mantles in the town. In 1807 Sarah Vivian died in Carmarthen. It is not stated on the Bath registers whether Thomas Vivian, father of William (b 1837) was actually born in Bath, and it's most likely that he was in fact the child of that one female Vivian residing in Carmarthen at that time. A tin smith was indispensable for building engines, very useful for making gas mantles, had excellent knowledge of the tin mines and even of the serious problems of deep mines which led Davey to invent the miner's lamp where the lamp went out in the presence of gas. WH Vivian was proud to be the son of a tin smith,a Vivian,a gas fitter and plumber. 1837-1896(?)

Thank You, Diana, Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Question > Hello Ron - my husband uses www.Rootschat.com but you need to know the > county. > > Diana > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >

Hello List, Can anyone tell me if they have a look up group like yours in Scotland? I would appreciate any help. Thank You, Ron Rees

forwarding for Deb, I had not added to the accept list because no name given just email address so I wait until a message is sent to ensure it is not spam..... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Irishcorkgirl@aol.com> To: <Carmarthenshire-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Benjamin Beynon in Llanboidy > Greetings All: I am hoping that someone has access to the parish records > for Llanboidy and would be willing to do a look-up for me. I am trying to > find > out who the parents of: Benjamin Beynon born 1823 in Llanboidy were. Any > help > would be greatly appreciated! > Thank-you, > Deb > Florida, USA >

Hello List, Wonder if somebody can help me with my search for the wedding-record of Margaret Roberts to a Morgan-boy. Know of a child born in 1869, so wedding must have taken place near that time in Llanelli-area. Margaret was born in 1843 or 1845, dau of David and Mary Roberts, Ynis. I tried registrar, but they could not help me. Elwyn - Netherlands.

In a message dated 1/8/2006 9:32:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, paulinejames@onvol.net writes: forwarding for Deb, I had not added to the accept list because no name given just email address so I wait until a message is sent to ensure it is not spam..... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Irishcorkgirl@aol.com> To: <Carmarthenshire-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Benjamin Beynon in Llanboidy > Greetings All: I am hoping that someone has access to the parish records > for Llanboidy and would be willing to do a look-up for me. I am trying to > find > out who the parents of: Benjamin Beynon born 1823 in Llanboidy were. Any > help > would be greatly appreciated! > Thank-you, > Deb > Florida, USA > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk Sorry. This is not a spam. Deb Rougas Pensacola, FL USA irishcorkgirl@aol.com

Hi: sorry this is not a spam. Deb Rougas Pensacola,Fl USA irishcorkgirl@aol.com

HI Diana Thanks for your vote of confidence Diana.......yes, it is brilliant that 1841 census images for Wales are now on line with CFHS.......also indexes for some of them too..... Brilliant, glad you are enjoying them regards Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "diana murray" <littlewarrenfarm@fletchingcommon.fsbusiness.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:56 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] Re: [CmnFHS] Martha Lewis baptism > Hi Pauline - Thank you for looking for me - that is perfect. > > Can I just say how amazing it is to have the 1841 census for nearly the > whole of Wales on the CFHS website as so many of our ancestors flitted > back and forth between counties especially mine! > > thank you for all your hard work > Diana > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >

Hi Pauline - Thank you for looking for me - that is perfect. Can I just say how amazing it is to have the 1841 census for nearly the whole of Wales on the CFHS website as so many of our ancestors flitted back and forth between counties especially mine! thank you for all your hard work Diana