Hello Paulin I too thought that this would be an easy one but CRO told me that this period has a number of marriages gone astray. The only civil registration is 1838 LLandovery which seems to late and too far! Just in case anyone has noticed a marriage c 1836 here are the details. David Jenkins b 1810 and Elizabeth Jones b.1812 were both born in LLangeler. I have David's parents family who lived in 'Blaenfynnon' farm near Hebron Chapel and I suspect that this is where he was born. I also have a baptism for him on 10 June 1810 St Celers Llangeler. To confuse things more, his parent were buried at Llanfihangel ar Arth Parish church. Census information puts him in the following places. 1841 'Weinhavod' Abernant Chapelry 1851 -1881 'Manllwyd' Conwil Elfed So they didn't move far!! Thanks again for your interested Pauline it is much appreciated. Glen --- Pauline James <paulinejames@onvol.net> wrote: > Glen > > If they married pre 1837 they had to marry in the > parish church .....when > registration came into being by June 1837 they could > marry in parish church, > chapel with registrar present or registry > office....... > > If you know both names you could ask Carmarthen > registry office if they can > find the marriage for you if after 1837..... > > You state you have them in later census ? Where > were they can you give us a > clue.... > > thanks Paulne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alayne and Glen Jenkins" > <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Jenkins Conwil Elvet > > > > Pauline > > > > Thanks for this information. I have put a copy of > it > > in my research file. I suspected that they were > > non-conformist for some time because I have not > been > > able to find a marriage for them or > > chritenings/baptisms for any of their chidren. The > > children that I know of are: > > > > John 1837 > > Esther 1839 > > Rachel 1840 > > David 1842 > > Mary 1846 > > Daniel 1848 > > > > Regards > > > > Glen Jenkins > > > > > > --- Pauline James <paulinejames@onvol.net> wrote: > > > >> Hi Glen > >> > >> Not to put you off but I had family from Conwil > >> Elved Daniel and Dinah > >> Davies and their respective family....I know > exactly > >> where Dinah (also nee > >> Davies) died in a farm where her children were > >> living when they got married > >> named Cilmache Conwil Elved, but at the time of > her > >> death they lived in > >> Penlanychawel Carmarthen Town but cannot find > her > >> burial details.....they > >> christened their children in Bethel Calvinistic > >> Methodist chapel Conwil > >> Elved which I have looked around but cannot find > a > >> headstone for her (I have > >> for Daniel's brother and family)......have never > >> even found Daniel's death > >> let alone a burial after years of > searching.....If > >> non-conformist and there > >> is no headstone it is very difficult as these > >> chapels records rarely > >> survived if they had any in the first place... > >> > >> If you locate yours keep me posted just in case > the > >> ones mentioned above are > >> there...... > >> > >> If you think yours were belonging to Bethel > between > >> 1813-1837 I have indexed > >> the chapel baptisms......let me know > >> > >> Pauline > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Alayne and Glen Jenkins" > >> <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> > >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:45 PM > >> Subject: [Cmn-L] Jenkins Conwil Elvet > >> > >> > >> > Hi All > >> > > >> > I need some ideas as to where David Jenkins > >> > (1810-1891) and his wife Elizabeth Jenkins > >> > (1812-C1887) may be buried. For most of their > >> lives > >> > they lived in Conwil Elvet parish in a small > farm > >> call > >> > Manllwyd. The farm is located West of the > "Railway > >> > Inn" at Clytiau Cochion which is North of > >> > LLanpumsaint. > >> > > >> > I wondered if anyone knows this area well and > >> could > >> > help. I have looked in Conwil Elvet registers > and > >> > Llanpumsaint but no luck which suggests that > they > >> were > >> > non-conformist. Their son Daniel was married in > >> Gideon > >> > Chapel Mydrim. > >> > > >> > All suggestions welcomed > >> > > >> > Glen Jenkins > >> > Swansea > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ___________________________________________________________ > >> > Yahoo! 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To any interested Members particularly Elwyn in the Netherlands. A book, title - 'Around Llanelli', USBN 7524 3370 9, is full of interesting comments and photographs of the town and area. On page 71 a baptism is shown taking place in the Lliedi river, no doubt Adulam chapel members, c.1913. Of particular interest to Elwyn would be page 22 showing two postcards of Mill Lane c.1935. I witnessed a few baptism in my youth in Felinfoel and very often walked Mill Lane on my adventures around the town when a lad. Hope it interests members. Regards Huw Lewis.

Pauline Thanks for this information. I have put a copy of it in my research file. I suspected that they were non-conformist for some time because I have not been able to find a marriage for them or chritenings/baptisms for any of their chidren. The children that I know of are: John 1837 Esther 1839 Rachel 1840 David 1842 Mary 1846 Daniel 1848 Regards Glen Jenkins --- Pauline James <paulinejames@onvol.net> wrote: > Hi Glen > > Not to put you off but I had family from Conwil > Elved Daniel and Dinah > Davies and their respective family....I know exactly > where Dinah (also nee > Davies) died in a farm where her children were > living when they got married > named Cilmache Conwil Elved, but at the time of her > death they lived in > Penlanychawel Carmarthen Town but cannot find her > burial details.....they > christened their children in Bethel Calvinistic > Methodist chapel Conwil > Elved which I have looked around but cannot find a > headstone for her (I have > for Daniel's brother and family)......have never > even found Daniel's death > let alone a burial after years of searching.....If > non-conformist and there > is no headstone it is very difficult as these > chapels records rarely > survived if they had any in the first place... > > If you locate yours keep me posted just in case the > ones mentioned above are > there...... > > If you think yours were belonging to Bethel between > 1813-1837 I have indexed > the chapel baptisms......let me know > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alayne and Glen Jenkins" > <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:45 PM > Subject: [Cmn-L] Jenkins Conwil Elvet > > > > Hi All > > > > I need some ideas as to where David Jenkins > > (1810-1891) and his wife Elizabeth Jenkins > > (1812-C1887) may be buried. For most of their > lives > > they lived in Conwil Elvet parish in a small farm > call > > Manllwyd. The farm is located West of the "Railway > > Inn" at Clytiau Cochion which is North of > > LLanpumsaint. > > > > I wondered if anyone knows this area well and > could > > help. I have looked in Conwil Elvet registers and > > Llanpumsaint but no luck which suggests that they > were > > non-conformist. Their son Daniel was married in > Gideon > > Chapel Mydrim. > > > > All suggestions welcomed > > > > Glen Jenkins > > Swansea > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC > calling worldwide with > > voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in > Photographs & Information > > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi ron do you have an occupation for John Rees Carmarthen is indeed a parish, and in its time a large one, it was known as St Peters Carmarthen........there were three parish churches there.....St Peters, Llanllwch and St Davids, amongst very many non-conformist chapels.... I can look in 1851 for you.......do you have a few more clues.... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald Rees" <rdrees@verizon.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:14 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Morgan Rees,1861, Carmarthen > Hello List, > I'm still trying to find my grandfather's family in Carmarthen. Would > Carmarthen be found in the census or isn't that considered a parish? I got > leads to several John Reeses, but they don't seem right. John and his wife > whom I think was Ann Williams, had three children, John, Ann, and Morgan, > who was my grandfather,born May 12, 1852. His sister Ann was born Dec. 20, > 1845, and I don't know John's birthday. > The father was born about 1823. All I remember my father saying is that > they came from Carmarthen, I don't remember any other name. > If they were from Carmarthen would they have married or had children > christened in St. Peters Church? > Thanks for any help you can give me. > Ron Rees > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hello Pauline, Sorry to say that I don't know anything important about the family. All I know is that my grandfather, Morgan Rees came to the U.S. in 1870 or 71 to Frostburg, Maryland, he found a job as a clerk in a grocery store. Maybe his father was a grocer too Later he moved to Pa. and opened his own grocery store. His sister Ann also came to the U.S. and his brother John went to Africa to work on the R.R. and was never heard from again, he was killed either by wild animals or natives. Well that's not much to go on so maybe I'll just have to settle for that. Maybe you could check the 1861 census for me. Thanks for your help, Ron Rees ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:28 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Morgan Rees,1861, Carmarthen > Hi ron > > do you have an occupation for John Rees > > Carmarthen is indeed a parish, and in its time a large one, it was known > as St Peters Carmarthen........there were three parish churches > there.....St Peters, Llanllwch and St Davids, amongst very many > non-conformist chapels.... > > I can look in 1851 for you.......do you have a few more clues.... > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ronald Rees" <rdrees@verizon.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:14 PM > Subject: [Cmn-L] Morgan Rees,1861, Carmarthen > > >> Hello List, >> I'm still trying to find my grandfather's family in Carmarthen. Would >> Carmarthen be found in the census or isn't that considered a parish? I >> got leads to several John Reeses, but they don't seem right. John and his >> wife whom I think was Ann Williams, had three children, John, Ann, and >> Morgan, who was my grandfather,born May 12, 1852. His sister Ann was born >> Dec. 20, 1845, and I don't know John's birthday. >> The father was born about 1823. All I remember my father saying is >> that they came from Carmarthen, I don't remember any other name. >> If they were from Carmarthen would they have married or had children >> christened in St. Peters Church? >> Thanks for any help you can give me. >> Ron Rees >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

So sorry to trouble you Pauline, I had a most interesting private post from "Dalyn"? on the subject of Daughters of Howell of Ffynnon Felin but I regret it was deleted. Please will correspondent forward that sent letter to me again? The descendants of Sylvanus and Essex (m?) might become more apparent from those female colls, their sisters, with descendants of the same name. Kind regards Gareth

Robert I cannot find David Henkin/Hinkin in 1851 census There is a William Hinkin in Priory Street but a labourer in the tinworks........I do not do lookups from 1841 as they are available on line only with CFHS. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Hinkin" <rfhinkin@webtv.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 4:34 AM Subject: [Cmn-L] Help with 1841/1851 Lookup > > I would greatly appreciate lookup help from SKS regarding two of my > Carmarthen ancestors: > > John Thomas > a Mariner from Bridge Street > > and > > David Henkin / Hinkin > a Flax Dresser from Priory Street. > > Any information on their families in the 1814 and 1851 censuses would be > very helpful. > > Regards, > > Robert > > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Glen Not to put you off but I had family from Conwil Elved Daniel and Dinah Davies and their respective family....I know exactly where Dinah (also nee Davies) died in a farm where her children were living when they got married named Cilmache Conwil Elved, but at the time of her death they lived in Penlanychawel Carmarthen Town but cannot find her burial details.....they christened their children in Bethel Calvinistic Methodist chapel Conwil Elved which I have looked around but cannot find a headstone for her (I have for Daniel's brother and family)......have never even found Daniel's death let alone a burial after years of searching.....If non-conformist and there is no headstone it is very difficult as these chapels records rarely survived if they had any in the first place... If you locate yours keep me posted just in case the ones mentioned above are there...... If you think yours were belonging to Bethel between 1813-1837 I have indexed the chapel baptisms......let me know Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alayne and Glen Jenkins" <jinxs104@yahoo.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 11:45 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Jenkins Conwil Elvet > Hi All > > I need some ideas as to where David Jenkins > (1810-1891) and his wife Elizabeth Jenkins > (1812-C1887) may be buried. For most of their lives > they lived in Conwil Elvet parish in a small farm call > Manllwyd. The farm is located West of the "Railway > Inn" at Clytiau Cochion which is North of > LLanpumsaint. > > I wondered if anyone knows this area well and could > help. I have looked in Conwil Elvet registers and > Llanpumsaint but no luck which suggests that they were > non-conformist. Their son Daniel was married in Gideon > Chapel Mydrim. > > All suggestions welcomed > > Glen Jenkins > Swansea > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with > voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information > http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >

Helen Llangingat parish is Llandovery ........just to confuse us even more than we get already!! Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <HMC001@aol.com> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 10:57 PM Subject: [Cmn-L] Llansawel & Talley > Hi, > > Can SKS help please? I am trying to locate a family on 1871 census but > not > sure where to look. I have 1871 census but not sure if I read somewhere > that > Llanswel used to be called Llandigat? > > The place I am trying to look up is Llansawel and Talley. > > Many thanks > > Helen > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >

Hi Dave The early marriages do not give name of father, the only extra information you will see is if they could sign their names, and names of witnesses.......sometimes the names of the witnesses can help but not always.... You can order the actual entry of the marriage from CRO if you wanted to view the info yourself......or ask in CRO who the witnesses were......I have found these invaluable especially if they could sign their names, as you can check with other documents if the signatures are one and the same...... Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Howells" <d.jhowells@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John Howell > Pauline > Do you have marriage info on Llanboidy > Titus Howell from Llanboidy married Esther Morris from > Llangynin on 16.4.1829, trying to see if I go in from this angle to see > who the father was of Titus Howell? > rgds Dave > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:39 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John Howell > > >> Dave I do not have him baptised in the parish church of LLanboidy - but, >> he was baptised c1809 according to 1851 census and I only have Llanboidy >> from 1813 onwards...... >> >> Paulne >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Howells" <d.jhowells@blueyonder.co.uk> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 3:36 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John Howell >> >> >>> Thanks for that Pauline >>> My John Howell married in Llanboidy 7.12.1837 >>> The Titus Howell you have born Llanboidy, do you >>> have any bap details on him? >>> thanks again >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John Howell >>> >>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> To view a parish map of Carmarthenshire go to >>>> >>>> http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk >>>> >>>> there is a map of the old parishes of Carms that you can enlarge and >>>> download.... >>>> >>>> Llanboidy, Llangan and Henllan Amgoed are all neighbouring >>>> parishes.....Llandewy Velfrey is over the border in Pembs........ >>>> >>>> I do not have registers for Llangan or Henllan Amgoed..... >>>> >>>> I have 2 Titus Howells in 1851 census.......one aged 41 the other >>>> 42.......the 42 year old was born in Llanboidy but living in >>>> Llangunnock the 41 year old was born in Llanfihangel living in >>>> Llanfihangel Abercowin >>>> >>>> Think you need to view the online map to see exactly where these all >>>> are in proximity.... >>>> >>>> hope this helps Pauline >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dave Howells" <d.jhowells@blueyonder.co.uk> >>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:42 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John Howell >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Pauline >>>>> Do not know if you can help but as my local knowledge >>>>> of these places is very little, I have to make sure I find >>>>> the correct John Howell and not jump to conclusions. >>>>>>From my original notes was scribbled the birth or bap >>>>> of John Howell 13/11/1813 but location is Henllan Amgoed is this close >>>>> to Llangan, also one of the witnesses to the marriage of John Howell >>>>> was a Titus Howell (taking a guess it maybe a brother or cousin) and >>>>> so may have been born in same place, on a search I did find a >>>>> Titus Howell born Llandewy velfrey 1811, could this be a clue, is it >>>>> in the same area? >>>>> thanks for your help. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:32 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John Howell >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> Cannot see him baptised in the parish church between 1813-1875....... >>>>>> >>>>>> the only John Howell with father David was in 1832 >>>>>> >>>>>> Pauline >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Dave Howells" <d.jhowells@blueyonder.co.uk> >>>>>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:39 PM >>>>>> Subject: [Cmn-L] John Howell >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello List >>>>>>> Can anyone help with finding out birth details of >>>>>>> John Howell. >>>>>>> I have his marriage details married 7th December 1837 in Llanboidy. >>>>>>> he married Rachel Evan residence Llanboidy at date of >>>>>>> marriage. >>>>>>> John Howell residence at time of marriage was Penyback, >>>>>>> his father was David Howell (either sailor or tailor). >>>>>>> John Howell age at marriage was 24, though in the 1841 >>>>>>> census it has his age as 25!! >>>>>>> His birth 'maybe' have been 13.11.1813 in Llanboidy though this has >>>>>>> not been confirmed. >>>>>>> Any help much appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>>>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your >>>> PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed >>>> from this mailing list >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your >> PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed >> from this mailing list >> >> >> > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your > PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed > from this mailing list >

Yes Titus here would be the same person. It is highly unlikely but still possible that there were two of such a name within a mile and a half. Llangan is a street name in Trevaughan . how often do we say I live in "Dromper" rather than "I live in Dromper road" if it is so near that everybody knows. Llandewi Velfrey parish is 3 from Henland and 3 from Llangan Rd. (Trevaughan or is it Whitland) That Titus looks as though he just may have got something to do with the Howell family of Ffynnon Felin, although it is the "tribal " area! He was born about 2 miles from Ffynnon Felin, the Genealogy of which Howell family is in the CA VolXXX11 1996. Dave Howells wrote: > Hi Pauline > Do not know if you can help but as my local knowledge > of these places is very little, I have to make sure I find > the correct John Howell and not jump to conclusions. > >> From my original notes was scribbled the birth or bap > > of John Howell 13/11/1813 but location is Henllan Amgoed is this close > to Llangan, also one of the witnesses to the marriage of John Howell > was a Titus Howell (taking a guess it maybe a brother or cousin) and > so may have been born in same place, on a search I did find a > Titus Howell born Llandewy velfrey 1811, could this be a clue, is it > in the same area? > thanks for your help. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" > <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John Howell > > >> Hi Dave >> >> Cannot see him baptised in the parish church between 1813-1875....... >> >> the only John Howell with father David was in 1832 >> >> Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Howells" >> <d.jhowells@blueyonder.co.uk> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:39 PM >> Subject: [Cmn-L] John Howell >> >> >>> Hello List >>> Can anyone help with finding out birth details of >>> John Howell. >>> I have his marriage details married 7th December 1837 in Llanboidy. >>> he married Rachel Evan residence Llanboidy at date of >>> marriage. >>> John Howell residence at time of marriage was Penyback, >>> his father was David Howell (either sailor or tailor). >>> John Howell age at marriage was 24, though in the 1841 >>> census it has his age as 25!! >>> His birth 'maybe' have been 13.11.1813 in Llanboidy though this has >>> not been confirmed. >>> Any help much appreciated. >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> >> > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >

Greetings, While there is information being passed around on the HOWELL family, I was hoping that someone might know something about another HOWELL - MORRIS connection. My gggGrandfather: George Morris married an Elizabeth Howell sometime in the early 1800s in Carmarthenshire. Unfortunately, at present I don't have any additional information here at work with me concerning this union or either individual to add to this post. If anyone knows anything about an Elizabeth Howell marrying a George Morris I would be truly indebted if you would share that knowledge. Any information would be greatly appreciated! Thomas (Thomas Stanford Morris) >From: "Dave Howells" <d.jhowells@blueyonder.co.uk> >Reply-To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John Howell >Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 14:53:48 -0000 > >Pauline >Do you have marriage info on Llanboidy >Titus Howell from Llanboidy married Esther Morris from >Llangynin on 16.4.1829, trying to see if I go in from this angle to see who >the father was of Titus Howell? >rgds Dave _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

Glen I have the records of the Baptist Chapel at FfynnonHenri Conwil Elvet, near Llanpumpsaint, I will check for the Jenkins family in those records. Do you know if they had any Baptist affiliation? Dave Davies Boulder CO

I would greatly appreciate lookup help from SKS regarding two of my Carmarthen ancestors: John Thomas a Mariner from Bridge Street and David Henkin / Hinkin a Flax Dresser from Priory Street. Any information on their families in the 1814 and 1851 censuses would be very helpful. Regards, Robert

Hi All I need some ideas as to where David Jenkins (1810-1891) and his wife Elizabeth Jenkins (1812-C1887) may be buried. For most of their lives they lived in Conwil Elvet parish in a small farm call Manllwyd. The farm is located West of the "Railway Inn" at Clytiau Cochion which is North of LLanpumsaint. I wondered if anyone knows this area well and could help. I have looked in Conwil Elvet registers and Llanpumsaint but no luck which suggests that they were non-conformist. Their son Daniel was married in Gideon Chapel Mydrim. All suggestions welcomed Glen Jenkins Swansea ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Helen Have you seen the Llansawel site on Genuki.co.uk They have extracts from the book history of LLansawel at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llansawel/History.html This mentions the parish of Talley and its relation to the parish of Llansawel. These parishes are next to each other. See http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/maps/cmnmap.gif LLandingad is another parish. Glen Jenkins Swansea --- HMC001@aol.com wrote: > Hi, > > Can SKS help please? I am trying to locate a family > on 1871 census but not > sure where to look. I have 1871 census but not sure > if I read somewhere that > Llanswel used to be called Llandigat? > > The place I am trying to look up is Llansawel and > Talley. > > Many thanks > > Helen > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > I use Wales Genealogy CD's for my research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > > ___________________________________________________________ NEW Yahoo! Cars - sell your car and browse thousands of new and used cars online! http://uk.cars.yahoo.com/

Hi Pauline Not sure, census shows him born 1818 but maybe not. He was a Baptist when he appeared in Wilts. in 1851. He was dead before the 1861 census. He married Harriet Tuck in London in January 1840 at St. Sepulchre. His Father was Thomas an Iron Founder. Hope this helps to find him. Thanks Eve ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Help Required > Eve > > Do you have fathers occupation.....could this be him? > > St Peters Carmarthen parish church > 24th Jan 1820 > David Jones son Thomas and Mary, Priory Street, Coal dealer? > > Pauline > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eve Ferguson" <Coyston@sympatico.ca> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Help Required > > >> Hi Pauline >> Please keep an eye open for my DAVID JONES born 1818 Father THOMAS JONES >> Thanks >> Eve Ferguson >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pauline James" <paulinejames@onvol.net> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 7:05 AM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Help Required >> >> >>> Helen >>> >>> Do you have any extra information on him........fathers name ? I am >>> currently indexing Carmarthen St Peters parish church so if you have any >>> extra info it could help >>> >>> Pauline >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <HMC001@aol.com> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:01 PM >>> Subject: [Cmn-L] Help Required >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Is anyone able to help me, either with info or pointing me in the right >>>> direction, please? >>>> >>>> I am trying to locate the birth of a William Davies, born Carmarthen >>>> St. >>>> Peters circa 1822. >>>> >>>> He was married and was living in Baglan, Glamorgan in 1845. He >>>> married >>>> 29/11/1845 and was of full age and his father was a John Davies, >>>> Engineer. He >>>> continued living in Glamorgan but from Census it states born in >>>> Carmarthernshire. Sometimes it stated Carmarthen Town. >>>> >>>> Any ideas, many thanks. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Helen >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you >>>> cannot find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the >>>> name of the Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> You are requested to have up-to-date Anti-Virus software loaded on your >> PC, if your PC becomes infected, you will Automatically be Unsubscribed >> from this mailing list >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk

Hello Pauline/Gareth I think my next step is to look up this birth/bap of John Howell on 13/11/1813 in Henllan Amgoed and see 1. If his father is David Howell 2. Was his father a tailor or sailor and if that fits in to see if his mother is Margaret Jones. If this does match up, I do know a David Howell married a Margaret Jones 22/10/1812 in Llangan. Can anyone tell me where to go next to check this birth of John Howell 13/11/1813 and find parents details thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gareth Howell" <gar@garethhowell.net> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John Howell >I have replied in some detail to Dave's post. > Regards, > > gar > > Dave Howells wrote: > >> Hi Pauline >> Do not know if you can help but as my local knowledge >> of these places is very little, I have to make sure I find >> the correct John Howell and not jump to conclusions. >> >>> From my original notes was scribbled the birth or bap >> >> of John Howell 13/11/1813 but location is Henllan Amgoed is this close to >> Llangan, also one of the witnesses to the marriage of John Howell was a >> Titus Howell (taking a guess it maybe a brother or cousin) and so may >> have been born in same place, on a search I did find a >> Titus Howell born Llandewy velfrey 1811, could this be a clue, is it in >> the same area? >> thanks for your help. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" >> <paulinejames@onvol.net> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John Howell >> >> >>> Hi Dave >>> >>> Cannot see him baptised in the parish church between 1813-1875....... >>> >>> the only John Howell with father David was in 1832 >>> >>> Pauline >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Howells" >>> <d.jhowells@blueyonder.co.uk> >>> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:39 PM >>> Subject: [Cmn-L] John Howell >>> >>> >>>> Hello List >>>> Can anyone help with finding out birth details of >>>> John Howell. >>>> I have his marriage details married 7th December 1837 in Llanboidy. >>>> he married Rachel Evan residence Llanboidy at date of >>>> marriage. >>>> John Howell residence at time of marriage was Penyback, >>>> his father was David Howell (either sailor or tailor). >>>> John Howell age at marriage was 24, though in the 1841 >>>> census it has his age as 25!! >>>> His birth 'maybe' have been 13.11.1813 in Llanboidy though this has >>>> not been confirmed. >>>> Any help much appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Carmarthenshire Place Names Database - Looking for a farm etc you cannot > find - Contact - PeterWihl@compuserve.com - Let him know the name of the > Farm House etc etc - He will search the Database > > >

I have replied in some detail to Dave's post. Regards, gar Dave Howells wrote: > Hi Pauline > Do not know if you can help but as my local knowledge > of these places is very little, I have to make sure I find > the correct John Howell and not jump to conclusions. > >> From my original notes was scribbled the birth or bap > > of John Howell 13/11/1813 but location is Henllan Amgoed is this close > to Llangan, also one of the witnesses to the marriage of John Howell > was a Titus Howell (taking a guess it maybe a brother or cousin) and > so may have been born in same place, on a search I did find a > Titus Howell born Llandewy velfrey 1811, could this be a clue, is it > in the same area? > thanks for your help. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pauline James" > <paulinejames@onvol.net> > To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] John Howell > > >> Hi Dave >> >> Cannot see him baptised in the parish church between 1813-1875....... >> >> the only John Howell with father David was in 1832 >> >> Pauline >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Howells" >> <d.jhowells@blueyonder.co.uk> >> To: <CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:39 PM >> Subject: [Cmn-L] John Howell >> >> >>> Hello List >>> Can anyone help with finding out birth details of >>> John Howell. >>> I have his marriage details married 7th December 1837 in Llanboidy. >>> he married Rachel Evan residence Llanboidy at date of >>> marriage. >>> John Howell residence at time of marriage was Penyback, >>> his father was David Howell (either sailor or tailor). >>> John Howell age at marriage was 24, though in the 1841 >>> census it has his age as 25!! >>> His birth 'maybe' have been 13.11.1813 in Llanboidy though this has >>> not been confirmed. >>> Any help much appreciated. >>> >>> >>> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >> http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> >> >> > > > > ==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research > http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk > >

Thanks for that Pat, I'll try and sort out the Scanner etc. Ron. >-- Original Message -- >Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:53:23 +0000 >From: Pat Powell <pat@pcubed.demon.co.uk> >Subject: Re: [Cmn-L] Llanelly >To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: CARMARTHENSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hello Ron > >I am not there now although I'm not too far away - but I did grow up >there. > >I'd be pleased to have a look at it for you if you want to send me a >scan offlist. > >I've had a bit of practice recently with looking at handwriting!! > >Cheers > >Pat > > > >In message <4366F1E5001A4FC4@mk-cpfrontend-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com>, >ronaldw@tiscali.co.uk writes >>Is there anyone on the list living in Llanelly? >> >>Ofcourse you may not want to admit to that. >> >>I was born there and so was my father. My father lived in Mount Pleasant >>Buildings, only one side of the street is left standing now, or was a few >>years back. I lived in Trimsaren, up the road. >> >>Anyway, I was born at an address that I can't read from the original birth >>certificate. I was wondering if I scanned it and sent it as an attachment(are >>attachments allowed?) maybe someone may regonise it. >> >>This only applies to those who live there ofcourse. >> >>Regards, >> >>Ron Williams >> >> >> >>Who am I to blow against the wind! >> >>ardoubleu >> >>___________________________________________________________ >> >>Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! >>http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ >> >> >> >> >>==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >>Wales Genealogy CD's for Wales research >>http://www.Wales-Genealogy.co.uk >> > >-- >Pat Powell > > >==== CARMARTHENSHIRE Mailing List ==== >Carmarthenshire & South Wales Information in Photographs & Information >http://www.carmarthenshirefhs.co.uk > Who am I to blow against the wind! ardoubleu ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/