I have been in conversation with a Christopher Henry Ransdale Warner, a direct descendant of Sir Thomas Warner, "pioneer" to the Caribbean. I shared Cindy's information with him, and my response. He is not on the Caribbean list as yet, and I am hoping he will join us. Below is his response, and hopefully he will join the Caribbean List soon for he has information to share, and he is intrigued by what we have gleaned also. He wrote to me: "this is staggering info. we have some of this hughes business on record but not in this depth. the warner family was caught up TWICE by hughes and we have some narrative about the imprisonment . details of Lisa bursting into tears when hughes made some improper suggestions to her . when asked by hughes what was the reason for her outburst, her husband Joe replied, "she has never been in a cage with a tiger unlleashed before" or similar words. somehow i must get my hands on a copy of this book we will be able to peice together a lot from our records for future interested parties." any suggestions? christopher warner (direct line of sir thomas)" -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Grenada bagatelle Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 22:12:27 -0600 Resent-From: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 00:12:32 -0400 From: "Nevilla E. Ottley" <clasebon@erols.com> Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com References: <6DFD4582-A767-11D7-8D69-000393A1EEBC@wcvt.com> Dear Cindy, This is very interesting. Mrs. Warner may have been Elizabeth Ottley (1757-1801) who is mentioned here. She had two sisters, one Mary Trant Ottley who married in Sept 1785 to Captain Cornelius Smelt in Richmond Co: York. He was the Lieut. Governor of the Isle of Man; and the other sister was Mary Alice, who never married and probably traveled with her. cindy kilgore wrote: > A bit of a bagatelle for some of you interested in Hugues and the > rebellions occurring across the Caribbean in his wake. This is taken > from the pages of a book by Dr. John Hay of Grenada who was one of > Fedon’s 3 prisoners that were spared. The book only exists in a few > chosen libraries - one in Grenada (photocopy), British Library and > somewhere in the US (heaven knows I forgot as I’ve been trying to find > this book for about 7 years). Fascinating account by a man trusted by > the rebels and by his countrymen. He tells of the insurrection, his > prison life up on the mountain, the execution of the prisoners, and > his being sent to Guadeloupe on a prisoner exchange - which is where > this list comes from. He also speaks of his visits with Victor Hugues > and of the Warners. This particular Warner is Joseph Warner, second > son of Joseph Warner, owner of sugar plantations in St. Vincent, lived > on Gower Street, Bloomsbury. Shipley is more than likely, Sir Charles > Shipley, though I base this on his friendship with Warner than on any > document found giving a first name. > > I quote Hay as a prisoner in Guadeloupe - the prizes being captured > Brits (remember Scots are Brits - and the Scots were really, really > hated in Grenada at this time) ..... > > blah, blah, blah “...It was not many days before the unpleasant news > was confirmed; for, on the 28th of June (1795), the prizes were seen > off very early in the morning.” These prizes of Mr. Hugues were 11 > ships; listed are his English prisoners: > 1. Major Shipley, Mrs. Shipley and children - Jane and Augusta. > 2. Lt. Williams of the 61st Regt. > 3. Mr. Kittoe from London, last from Cork > 4. Mr. Hodge and son from St. Martin and William Plant of St. Lucia > 5. Dr. John Hay of Grenada (who had been one of Fedon’s prisoners up > at the “Camp”) > 6. Mr. Warner of London and his wife (sound familiar David?) and their > children, Jane, Louisa and Charlotte (Louisa would eventually be a > large landholder on Bequia) > 7. Miss Ottley (Nevilla, you reading) - Mrs. Warner’s sister > 8. Mrs. Honey and her daughter, Charlotte > 9. Mr. Rutley, a merchant with Mr. McDemott, a planter from Jamaica > 10. Mr. Mead of Montserrat and Mr. Cox of Jamaica > 11. Mr. Cox’s wife, mother and auntie > 12. Mrs. Greenland and Mrs. Richardson of Jamaica > 13. Miss Orgill > > Before you ask - I can’t give you any first names here - only copying > down as is presented in text. But in all, Hay says 500 prisoners > landed that day into Guadeloupe. > > So keeping in my promise of a short bagatelle - I bide you all a good > night and will find something in my notes tomorrow for Vincys. > > best wishes all, > Cindy > > ps - after reading this book, I climbed the mountain to Fedon’s > Camp.... 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