I'm back! Been off list due to technical problems with my server which was blacklisted by Rootsweb. Only Auntie Virus would know the technical terms "pinged" by a spammer. Back to business! While Tim has gone through the parish records in St. Patrick's Grenada from 1860 to 1931, I have gone through the Transcripts of St. George Cathedral, Kingstown, St. Vincent from 1765-1870. I became intrigued with entries when the "coolies" start appearing in the early 1860's. Their place of birth is not given in most cases but there were some from Madras and Calcutta. Madras and Calcutta seem likely to be the ports the indentured "coolies" embarked from rather than their actual birthplaces. Most parents are referred to in East Indian names with the children baptized with "English" names. There are many references in the Baptisms to "by the Emperietrice Eugenia" aka "Empretrice Eugenie", etc. It is difficult to tell if she had some status in the Church of England, a translator, a respected member of the East Indian Community, etc. On further checking she was only involved with Baptisms starting in the late 1860's. Many of the baptisms where she was involved occurred in the Colonial Hospital. The hospitalized child and their siblings are baptized but not the parents. Many at the Cathedral involve adults receiving "Christian" names with no mention of "East Indian" names. There are no entries in Marriages and the Burials cut off at 1855. These entries are a minority of the total. It is assumed that as "indentured labourers", the majority of them would have been associated with the rural churches and other dominations. Only those working near the capital or hospitalized are probably in the Anglican Cathedral records. In off-line discussions with Marcos he opined :- "Actually I think I remember that Empress Eugenie, who got out of France with a lot of money, set up a foundation to baptize 'heathens' that may have been run through the Anglican Church worldwide. These baptisms in SV were probably paid for by the foundation. Somewhere along the line she got the idea that God was punishing her for her previous extravagant lifestyle." Has anyone noticed the involvement of an "Empress Eugenie" or similar Islanders to the new arrivals? Jim C. ps Over the years, SVG has produced stamps on many subjects. There is one showing a ship ferrying people between India and the West Indies. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Anderson" <timuna@starpower.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:37 AM Subject: Re: East Indian Indenture Immigration W.I. /St. Vincent Presbyterian Church. > I have just 2 observations to add to this thread. I have gone over > the parish records in St. Patrick's Grenada from 1860 to 1931 as they > exist on the LDS microfilms. Concerning East Indians in the latter > part of the 19th: in the 1870s and 1880s about 50% of the baptisms > were for East Indian children and adults; the reason that I know this > is that the parish records clearly label these people as either > "coolie" or "native of Calcutta" or something similar. > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:29:29 +0000 (UTC), richwyn@idirect.com > ("Richard Allicock") wrote: > > >I found James Cropper's posting, which I have edited below, very interesting > >and very re-freshing compared to the British Guiana experience and maybe > >that of Trinidad and Jamaica. I will leave others on the list knowledgeable > >about the situation in the last two countries to say what the situation was > >there. But in British Guiana, where the London Missionary Society had gotten > >a foot-hold before slavery was abolished, and since the LMS was the local > >arm of the Abolitionists movement, the LMS did not take kindly to the > >arrival of the East Indians. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the list send the word "unsubscribe" (without the quotes) as the only text in the body of an email message to CARIBBEAN-L-request@rootsweb.com for the list mode or CARIBBEAN-D-request@rootsweb.com if you are subscribed to the digest. >

This suggested connection of the Empress Eugénie with Anglican baptism seems a little odd to me, as she was deeply involved with the Roman Catholic church. She was Empress until 1870, when Napoleon III capitulated to the Prussians, and they then retired to England. She died in 1920, and during the latter part of her life she devoted herself first to building a mausoleum in memory of her husband (and later, their son) which was connected with a Benedictine abbey - this was in Farnborough, Hampshire. Can anyone find an explanation for her apparently recorded involvement in Anglican baptism during the time she was still Empress in France? [see Empress Eugénie's Quest for a Napoleonic Mausoleum by Alison McQueen, http://www.19thc-artworldwide.org/winter_03/articles/mcqu.html] John Weiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "James W Cropper" <jameswcropper@sympatico.ca> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: Re: East Indian Indenture Immigration W.I. /St. Vincent Presbyterian Church. : I'm back! Been off list due to technical problems with my server which was : blacklisted by Rootsweb. Only Auntie Virus would know the technical terms : "pinged" by a spammer. Back to business! : : While Tim has gone through the parish records in St. Patrick's Grenada from : 1860 to 1931, I have gone through the Transcripts of St. George Cathedral, : Kingstown, St. Vincent from 1765-1870. I became intrigued with entries when : the "coolies" start appearing in the early 1860's. Their place of birth is : not given in most cases but there were some from Madras and Calcutta. : Madras and Calcutta seem likely to be the ports the indentured "coolies" : embarked from rather than their actual birthplaces. Most parents are : referred to in East Indian names with the children baptized with "English" : names. : : There are many references in the Baptisms to "by the Emperietrice Eugenia" : aka "Empretrice Eugenie", etc. It is difficult to tell if she had some : status in the Church of England, a translator, a respected member of the : East Indian Community, etc. On further checking she was only involved with : Baptisms starting in the late 1860's. Many of the baptisms where she was : involved occurred in the Colonial Hospital. The hospitalized child and : their siblings are baptized but not the parents. Many at the Cathedral : involve adults receiving "Christian" names with no mention of "East Indian" : names. There are no entries in Marriages and the Burials cut off at 1855. : These entries are a minority of the total. It is assumed that as : "indentured labourers", the majority of them would have been associated with : the rural churches and other dominations. Only those working near the : capital or hospitalized are probably in the Anglican Cathedral records. : : In off-line discussions with Marcos he opined :- "Actually I think I : remember that Empress Eugenie, who got out of France with a lot of money, : set up a foundation to baptize 'heathens' that may have been run through the : Anglican Church worldwide. These baptisms in SV were probably paid for by : the foundation. Somewhere along the line she got the idea that God was : punishing her for her previous extravagant lifestyle." : : Has anyone noticed the involvement of an "Empress Eugenie" or similar : Islanders to the new arrivals? : : Jim C. : ps Over the years, SVG has produced stamps on many subjects. There is one : showing a ship ferrying people between India and the West Indies. : : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Tim Anderson" <timuna@starpower.net> : To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> : Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:37 AM : Subject: Re: East Indian Indenture Immigration W.I. /St. Vincent : Presbyterian Church. : : : > I have just 2 observations to add to this thread. I have gone over : > the parish records in St. Patrick's Grenada from 1860 to 1931 as they : > exist on the LDS microfilms. Concerning East Indians in the latter : > part of the 19th: in the 1870s and 1880s about 50% of the baptisms : > were for East Indian children and adults; the reason that I know this : > is that the parish records clearly label these people as either : > "coolie" or "native of Calcutta" or something similar. : > : > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 03:29:29 +0000 (UTC), richwyn@idirect.com : > ("Richard Allicock") wrote: : > : > >I found James Cropper's posting, which I have edited below, very : interesting : > >and very re-freshing compared to the British Guiana experience and maybe : > >that of Trinidad and Jamaica. I will leave others on the list : knowledgeable : > >about the situation in the last two countries to say what the situation : was : > >there. But in British Guiana, where the London Missionary Society had : gotten : > >a foot-hold before slavery was abolished, and since the LMS was the local : > >arm of the Abolitionists movement, the LMS did not take kindly to the : > >arrival of the East Indians. : > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SNIP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> : > : > : > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== : > To unsubscribe from the list send the word "unsubscribe" (without the : quotes) as the only text in the body of an email message to : CARIBBEAN-L-request@rootsweb.com for the list mode or : CARIBBEAN-D-request@rootsweb.com if you are subscribed to the digest. : > : : : ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== : Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search the archives at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. :