Ann, as I have already discussed elsewhere, look at Alex Haley's Epilogue to his "Roots". He researches the ship that carried his forefather, Kunte Kinta from Gambia - it went straight to America. As far as I have ever heard, slave ships went there from Africa regularly. IN the book "Roots" the question of which slaves went to the Caribbean comes up. Apparently, it was the unteachable slaves who were often transported there. But also, I have this info that slaves from Ethiopia went straight there and stayed there. Why else was there such a large Jewish population of, for instance, Jamaica? Why are Jews so prevalent there - except in Anguilla the island at which I am looking . There, Jews have become Christian at least in namesake. But I am a beginner in all this. I only repeat what I have learned so far, but it doesn't correspond to what you are saying. Regards, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Dear Sara, > I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave ships/slaves did not > arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in in Caribbean. > Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever mentioned when > Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the newly captured > slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, they were first > broken in the islands. > The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were acquired in > Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and rum and then > proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves were sold in the > Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to the US for > resale. > Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. > Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major Seasoning Markets, > as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned the Forts in > Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. > So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that far-fetched. > A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company which managed > these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews from Bergen and > Gluckstadt. > In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the unexpected. > Ann > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> > Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 > > I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my Jewish > ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, thanks > Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors too. > > Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! Reading > "Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start to > wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West Indies or > America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do not know > where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my children > have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and so one > wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the same > line. > > All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim and Jewish > (Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from the same > person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance be so > similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But the > likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost prepostrous. > Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! > > One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be done to > find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV documentary!!! > > However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of 'inner' way. > Know what I mean? > > Sara Weiss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <richwyn@idirect.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM > Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: > > > > Message: > > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here is an > MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his reearch. > There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy company, > Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard > > > > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** > > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family roots, > one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on the > genetic trail. > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153.asp > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com <http://www.msnbc.com> > > > > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC > News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 207.46.245.18 > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked > on the List. 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Sara..... Maybe I am missing the point here, but one of the reasons for a 'large Jewish population' in Jamaica could be because they were Spanish and Portuguese Jews who fled the Inquisition.......and while some of them stayed catholic (conversos), others reverted back. And I, personally, have my reservations on Alex Haley's 'discovery' of his African roots. Having seen Jamaican slave journals, I find it rather hard to believe that he actually found his ancestors. Not enough information in the journals....and their names were English ones given by the owners. Not their African ones......but I could be wrong. Perhaps in his case, there was enough 'oral' history......but I would have to be convinced. I just thought I would throw this out for discussion.......DQ, you listening? Cheers....Heather > Ann, as I have already discussed elsewhere, look at Alex Haley's Epilogue to his "Roots". He researches the ship that carried his forefather, Kunte Kinta from Gambia - it went straight to America. As far as I have ever heard, slave ships went there from Africa regularly. IN the book "Roots" the question of which slaves went to the Caribbean comes up. Apparently, it was the unteachable slaves who were often transported there. But also, I have this info that slaves from Ethiopia went straight there and stayed there. > > Why else was there such a large Jewish population of, for instance, Jamaica? Why are Jews so prevalent there - except in Anguilla the island at which I am looking . There, Jews have become Christian at least in namesake. > > But I am a beginner in all this. I only repeat what I have learned so far, but it doesn't correspond to what you are saying. > > Regards, > > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > Dear Sara, > > I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave ships/slaves did not > > arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in in Caribbean. > > Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever mentioned when > > Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the newly captured > > slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, they were first > > broken in the islands. > > The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were acquired in > > Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and rum and then > > proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves were sold in the > > Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to the US for > > resale. > > Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. > > Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major Seasoning Markets, > > as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned the Forts in > > Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. > > So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that far-fetched. > > A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company which managed > > these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews from Bergen and > > Gluckstadt. > > In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the unexpected. > > Ann > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> > > Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 > > > > I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my Jewish > > ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, thanks > > Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors too. > > > > Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! Reading > > "Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start to > > wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West Indies or > > America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do not know > > where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my children > > have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and so one > > wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the same > > line. > > > > All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim and Jewish > > (Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from the same > > person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance be so > > similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But the > > likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost prepostrous. > > Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! > > > > One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be done to > > find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV documentary!!! > > > > However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of 'inner' way. > > Know what I mean? > > > > Sara Weiss > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <richwyn@idirect.com> > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM > > Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > > > > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: > > > > > > Message: > > > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here is an > > MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his reearch. > > There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy company, > > Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard > > > > > > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** > > > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family roots, > > one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on the > > genetic trail. > > > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153.asp > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com <http://www.msnbc.com> > > > > > > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC > > News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 207.46.245.18 > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked > > on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or > > thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. 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While Alex Haley's 'Roots' is a very inspiring novel, I have long understood that it was a work of fiction and not to be taken as a record. A Google search produces sites such as http://www.martinlutherking.org/roots.html and http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=1384 , which suggest that although probably founded in fact, the fictional structure that Haley built around the fact is sometimes inaccurate as a picture of how things were. All the same, Haley's fictional and somewhat misleading account has been the driving force for many of African origin to get interested in their roots, and it has generated much of the energy behind African American and African Caribbean family research. As for the Jewish population in the Caribbean, there was a small influx of refugees from Nazi Germany in the late 1930s, but only to Trinidad and only for a short time - there had never been any regulations to restrict immigration into that half-empty island, and it took British bureaucrats some time to wake up to the fact that East European Jews were taking refuge there and block that path to safety. A very few of those immigrants remained in Trinidad, but most went to South America and possibly the US. But the majority of Jews in the Caribbean arrived a couple of centuries earlier as the final result of early religious persecution, and it is their descendants that by and large make up the Jewish (or Jewish-rooted) population in the islands - of Sephardic origin, that is, Spanish and Portuguese, many of whom in turn carry names with semitic roots, either Hebrew or Arabic (such as Alberga) from the time when Jews of North Africa lived in Spain and Portugal. There is no record that I have ever heard of to suggest there are any Falasha in the Caribbean. John Weiss

"John Weiss" wrote: >While Alex Haley's 'Roots' is a very inspiring novel, I have long understood >that it was a work of fiction and not to be taken as a record. A Google >search produces sites such as http://www.martinlutherking.org/roots.html This leads me to a possible title/author (Coulander/The African) for a book that I have been trying (a little <grin>) to identify ever since Roots came out and reminded me of a book I had read earlier. I have added "The African" to my library list - thank you for the lead. Apropos the "seasoning" discussion, "seasoning" might partly account for the better survival and reproductive rates of slaves in the USA compared with the Caribbean, though Gutman ("The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom" - dealing with the USA) who mentions this difference, says, elsewhere in his book, 'By 1740, the earlier flow of "seasoned" Africans to the southern colonies from the West Indies had become far less important, and afterwards most came directly from Africa.'

Dear Sara, Since you are a beginner in all this, why not research the sources that the pros on the list are generously giving you. Trust us, most of the African slaves from the 1600-1800s came from WEST AFRICA. Alex Haley was just one man who found his roots. But his roots are just that, his. There are a lot of other roots to research. Of course, there were slaves throughout the history of the world from other countries, so there is much research to be done. Check out these sites for a beginning: http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/classes/cluster22/lectures/lecture3/sld010.htm http://africanhistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa120701a.htm http://www.liu.edu/cwis/cwp/library/aaslavry.htm#trade http://www.beyondbooks.org/slavery/tasks.htm http://www.beyondbooks.org/slavery/images/africanmap2.jpg http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/2757525.stm#map Nevilla E. Ottley Sara Weiss wrote: >Ann, as I have already discussed elsewhere, look at Alex Haley's Epilogue to his "Roots". He researches the ship that carried his forefather, Kunte Kinta from Gambia - it went straight to America. As far as I have ever heard, slave ships went there from Africa regularly. IN the book "Roots" the question of which slaves went to the Caribbean comes up. Apparently, it was the unteachable slaves who were often transported there. But also, I have this info that slaves from Ethiopia went straight there and stayed there. > >Why else was there such a large Jewish population of, for instance, Jamaica? Why are Jews so prevalent there - except in Anguilla the island at which I am looking . There, Jews have become Christian at least in namesake. > >But I am a beginner in all this. I only repeat what I have learned so far, but it doesn't correspond to what you are saying. > >Regards, > >Sara >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> >To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM >Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > >>Dear Sara, >>I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave ships/slaves did not >>arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in in Caribbean. >>Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever mentioned when >>Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the newly captured >>slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, they were first >>broken in the islands. >>The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were acquired in >>Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and rum and then >>proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves were sold in the >>Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to the US for >>resale. >>Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. >>Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major Seasoning Markets, >>as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned the Forts in >>Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. >>So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that far-fetched. >>A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company which managed >>these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews from Bergen and >>Gluckstadt. >>In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the unexpected. >>Ann >> >> >>----Original Message Follows---- >>From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> >>Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com >>To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries >>Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 >> >>I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my Jewish >>ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, thanks >>Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors too. >> >>Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! Reading >>"Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start to >>wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West Indies or >>America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do not know >>where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my children >>have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and so one >>wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the same >>line. >> >>All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim and Jewish >>(Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from the same >>person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance be so >>similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But the >>likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost prepostrous. >>Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! >> >>One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be done to >>find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV documentary!!! >> >>However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of 'inner' way. >> Know what I mean? >> >>Sara Weiss >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: <richwyn@idirect.com> >>To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM >>Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries >> >> >> > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: >> > >> > Message: >> > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here is an >>MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his reearch. >> There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy company, >>Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard >> > >> > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** >> > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family roots, >>one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on the >>genetic trail. >> > >> > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153.asp >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ >> > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com <http://www.msnbc.com> >> > >> > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC >>News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 207.46.245.18 >> > >> > >> > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >> > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin >>boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >> > >> >> >>==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >>Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked >>on the List. All messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived by date or >>thread at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARIBBEAN. You can search >>the archives at >>http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=CARIBBEAN. >> >> >> >>"Sharing the information." >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >>http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >> >> >>==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >>For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ >> > > >==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== >For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > >

I would be careful about using Alex Haley's book, "Roots", as a reference source -- based on lawsuits filed against Haley he "borrows" from other un-attributed works principally "The African," a 1967 novel by Hal Courlander and the novel "Jubilee" by Margaret Walker. Fine entertainment but ... While we will never know for sure, it is unlikely that many slaves arrived in the New World from Ethiopia (a) because of its geographical location; (b) because of the prevalence of Christians in that nation -- Europeans of the 16th through 19th centuries did not want Christian slaves since a major moral justification of the time was that the African slaves taken were not Christians; and (c) there is no folklore/oral history in the Islands to support such a theory. There seems to be an inference in Sara's message that the Jews of Jamaica got there from Africa. Is this intended? It seems to me to be quite clear that the Jews of Jamaica were Sephardic and came from Spain initially and later from Portugal via England, Brazil, Curacao, etc. The absence of the Dominican Order (and therefore The Inquisition) during Spain's occupation of that island may have had something to do with this. Cheers, Russ -------------------------------------- Persevere Russell G. Campbell Burlington, ON, Canada My Home page: www.it4biz.com/omnibus My Magazine: http://www.it4biz.com/omnibus/PortOfCall My Blog: http://www.it4biz.com/omnibus/rantrave My Genealogy: http://www.it4biz.com/omnibus/genealogy -----Original Message----- From: Sara Weiss [mailto:ksara@tesco.net] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:49 AM To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com Ann, as I have already discussed elsewhere, look at Alex Haley's Epilogue to his "Roots". He researches the ship that carried his forefather, Kunte Kinta from Gambia - it went straight to America. As far as I have ever heard, slave ships went there from Africa regularly. IN the book "Roots" the question of which slaves went to the Caribbean comes up. Apparently, it was the unteachable slaves who were often transported there. But also, I have this info that slaves from Ethiopia went straight there and st ayed there. Why else was there such a large Jewish population of, for instance, Jamaica? Why are Jews so prevalent there - except in Anguilla the island at which I am looking . There, Jews have become Christian at least in namesake. But I am a beginner in all this. I only repeat what I have learned so far, but it doesn't correspond to what you are saying. Regards, Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Dear Sara, > I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave ships/slaves did not > arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in in Caribbean. > Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever mentioned when > Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the newly captured > slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, they were first > broken in the islands. > The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were acquired in > Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and rum and then > proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves were sold in the > Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to the US for > resale. > Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. > Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major Seasoning Markets, > as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned the Forts in > Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. > So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that far-fetched. > A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company which managed > these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews from Bergen and > Gluckstadt. > In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the unexpected. > Ann > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> > Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 > > I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find out my Jewish > ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to Richard, thanks > Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black ancestors too. > > Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! Reading > "Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made me start to > wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - West Indies or > America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean but I do not know > where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and some of my children > have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla BWI and so one > wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended from the same > line. > > All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian ?Muslim and Jewish > (Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended from the same > person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the appearance be so > similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more probable. But the > likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is almost prepostrous. > Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! > > One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much can be done to > find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV documentary!!! > > However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort of 'inner' way. > Know what I mean? > > Sara Weiss > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <richwyn@idirect.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM > Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: > > > > Message: > > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite timely. Here is an > MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps in his reearch. > There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy company, > Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard > > > > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** > > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search for family roots, > one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan Boyle on the > genetic trail. > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153 .asp > > > > ______________________________________________________________ ________ > > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com <http://www.msnbc.com> > > > > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC > News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 207.46.245.18 > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > Before posting a query, check to see if the question has already been asked > on the List. 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Oh boy, do I wish I had never uttered a word in front of all you gleaming h'experts!! I was not INFERING anything Russ. I was told that the slaves that went to the Caribbean came from Ethiopia - told by a lady working for the Zionist Federation. Actually since I dared to mention this I have been shot down in flames then sliced up and cooked by the army of people against this idea as though abhorrent. maybe I should keep my big mouth shut. All I can do now is study the movement of slaves (from Africa to the Caribbean) more, to see if what i was told can be backed up by fact. Until then, please everyone, I don't wanna hear another word about it. It's too much already. Sara WEiss ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ Campbell" <russ.campbell@cogeco.ca> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:00 PM Subject: RE: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > I would be careful about using Alex Haley's book, "Roots", as > a reference source -- based on lawsuits filed against Haley he > "borrows" from other un-attributed works principally "The > African," a 1967 novel by Hal Courlander and the novel > "Jubilee" by Margaret Walker. Fine entertainment but ... > > While we will never know for sure, it is unlikely that many > slaves arrived in the New World from Ethiopia (a) because of > its geographical location; (b) because of the prevalence of > Christians in that nation -- Europeans of the 16th through > 19th centuries did not want Christian slaves since a major > moral justification of the time was that the African slaves > taken were not Christians; and (c) there is no folklore/oral > history in the Islands to support such a theory. > > There seems to be an inference in Sara's message that the Jews > of Jamaica got there from Africa. Is this intended? It seems > to me to be quite clear that the Jews of Jamaica were > Sephardic and came from Spain initially and later from > Portugal via England, Brazil, Curacao, etc. The absence of the > Dominican Order (and therefore The Inquisition) during Spain's > occupation of that island may have had something to do with > this. > > Cheers, > > Russ > -------------------------------------- > Persevere > > Russell G. Campbell > Burlington, ON, Canada > My Home page: www.it4biz.com/omnibus > My Magazine: http://www.it4biz.com/omnibus/PortOfCall > My Blog: http://www.it4biz.com/omnibus/rantrave > My Genealogy: http://www.it4biz.com/omnibus/genealogy > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sara Weiss [mailto:ksara@tesco.net] > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 2:49 AM > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Ann, as I have already discussed elsewhere, look at Alex > Haley's Epilogue to his "Roots". He researches the ship that > carried his forefather, Kunte Kinta from Gambia - it went > straight to America. As far as I have ever heard, slave ships > went there from Africa regularly. IN the book "Roots" the > question of which slaves went to the Caribbean comes up. > Apparently, it was the unteachable slaves who were often > transported there. But also, I have this info that slaves from > Ethiopia went straight there and st > ayed there. > > Why else was there such a large Jewish population of, for > instance, Jamaica? Why are Jews so prevalent there - except > in Anguilla the island at which I am looking . There, Jews > have become Christian at least in namesake. > > But I am a beginner in all this. I only repeat what I have > learned so far, but it doesn't correspond to what you are > saying. > > Regards, > > Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann Whiting" <aqw8326@hotmail.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > Dear Sara, > > I have long been shouting in the wilderness, that slave > ships/slaves did not > > arrive in the US via non stop cruses, but were first sold in > in Caribbean. > > Seasoning is not something that is mentioned, or hardly ever > mentioned when > > Slavery is discussed. That was a period of breaking the > newly captured > > slaves. If they had the misfortune to survive the crossing, > they were first > > broken in the islands. > > The misconception of the Triangle trade is that slaves were > acquired in > > Africa, ships stopped in the Caribbean for provisions and > rum and then > > proceeded to the US. The truth is , newly captured slaves > were sold in the > > Caribbean, and 'Seasoned' slaves were bought, then taken to > the US for > > resale. > > Every African American has an African Caribbean connection. > > Records show that that St. Thomas and Curacao were major > Seasoning Markets, > > as the Dutch, owned plantation on these islands, and owned > the Forts in > > Africa, and the ships they did not have to use a middleman. > > So the possibility of a caribbean connection is not that > far-fetched. > > A Jewish connection is also possible as Brandenburg Company > which managed > > these stations were started and financed by Portuguese Jews > from Bergen and > > Gluckstadt. > > In genealogy one must keep an open mind and expected the > unexpected. > > Ann > > > > > > ----Original Message Follows---- > > From: "Sara Weiss" <ksara@tesco.net> > > Reply-To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > To: CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys > mysteries > > Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:04:05 +0100 > > > > I'll tell you something else. Although I am mad keen to find > out my Jewish > > ancestry, possibly thro DNA - but unlikely according to > Richard, thanks > > Richard for saving me time and trouble - I have two black > ancestors too. > > > > Accounts for my very frizzy hair and love of music mayhaps! > Reading > > "Roots" by Alex Haley has now, more than this website, made > me start to > > wonder about them. One was a slave who bought his freedom - > West Indies or > > America I do not know. The other was from the Caribbean > but I do not know > > where. My husband and I are similar in looks and he and > some of my children > > have the same features. His whole family are from Anguilla > BWI and so one > > wonders if there is a Black connection . Are we descended > from the same > > line. > > > > All slaves in the Caribbean came from Ethiopa - Christian > ?Muslim and Jewish > > (Falasha). But, he is also Jewish, so we may have descended > from the same > > person, way way back, in Israel. But then how could the > appearance be so > > similar after 3,000 years!!! The black line is more > probable. But the > > likelihood of my ancestors coming also from Anguilla is > almost prepostrous. > > Who knows? You'd need to be rich to find out!! > > > > One just keeps these things under one;s hat but nothing much > can be done to > > find out more - unless one is the subject of some far out TV > documentary!!! > > > > However, I am just pleased to be part of all this, in a sort > of 'inner' way. > > Know what I mean? > > > > Sara Weiss > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <richwyn@idirect.com> > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 11:44 PM > > Subject: MSNBC News Link: DNA tackles a familys mysteries > > > > > > > Richard Allicock sent you this MSNBC News Link: > > > > > > Message: > > > Sara Weisss re-appearane on the DNA Issue was quite > timely. Here is an > > MSNBC account of some-one trying to use DNA to fill the gaps > in his reearch. > > There is also a link to the African Genetics for Genealogy > company, > > Afrigenesis for those who are interested. Richard > > > > > > ** DNA tackles a familys mysteries ** > > > DNA testing is adding a scientific twist to the search > for family roots, > > one of the worlds most popular pursuits. Follow MSNBCs Alan > Boyle on the > > genetic trail. > > > > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/682153 > .asp > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ________ > > > Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com > <http://www.msnbc.com> > > > > > > MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender > of this MSNBC > > News Link. 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