Hi Leonora, Sorry to get back to you only now. I think the answer to your question as to the spread of the relations may have to do with the fact that the 1840's to 1850's were years of economic crisis for Caribbean sugar. This means that many plantations went bankrupt and were sold off very cheaply. Those who were not in sugar, and in crops that did not require as much labour fared better in terms of their survival. They may have fared so much better that they were able to buy up the land of defunct plantations very cheaply in various parts of the Island.. I hope that this helps. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lenora Anderson" <ldanderson@sbcglobal.net> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada/ > Dear Richard.. I didnt mean that they settled in one place and stayed > there.. but I was surprised when I found how many plantations they were in > in a comparitively short period of time.. thus also wondering if the family > had proerty there evn earlier than I now can track. I wondered if it was > also inherited > Thanks again.. Lenora > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada/ > > > > Hi Leonora, > > > > You should not expect people to settle in one place and stay there > > generation after generation. On a very large territory that is quite > > possible, for people to settle in one place and stay within the general > > area. But such is the nature of economic opportunities and family > > relationships that people will move. In the case of a small Island like > > Grenada people will spread out sooner rather than later. > > > > The push comes from inheritance practices, mainly from Primogeniture or > the > > passing down of property to the first born son or next in line. The other > > children had to get their own land if they wanted to own a plantation or a > > farm to make a living. There might be land becoming available nearby due > to > > sale, but more likely not, and those desiring land would have to go where > it > > was available. > > > > By 1843, there would have been a patch-work: of land still in use, land > for > > sale; land abandoned by the owners and up for sale by the authorities. So > > people went where the land was, and this would go on generation after > > generation with the spread you have encountered in relation to your own > > family research. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lenora Anderson" <ldanderson@sbcglobal.net> > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:51 PM > > Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada > > > > > > > Thank you Richard.. I visited all these site Interestingly enough IF > > > Nutmeg started in 1843.. that is the exact year that the grandparents > > > started plantations.. One thing that interest me after seeing all these > > > maps... is how our grandparents were at one time all over Grenada in > > > different areas. You assume that they arrive there and mostly live in > the > > > general area. I find mine from St. John's to St David's.. mention in > LDS > > > paper Carriacou, and Hillsbourough , and Gouyave,on several birth > > > certificates of children.. Was this common?? Or did I have a larger > family > > > than I now know??? Very interesting. Lenora > > > From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> > > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:19 PM > > > Subject: Nutmeg History Grenada > > > > > > > > > > Some-one wrote recently that Nutmeg cultivation was introduced to > > Grenada > > > in 1843. The source below certainly supports that. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1843, nutmeg is introduced to Grenada from the Dutch East Indies > and > > > soon takes over from sugar as the island's principal export. > > > > > > > > SOURCE: > > > http://www.information.kuoni.co.uk/Common/CountryInfo/Info/GDGND2.html > > > > > > > > > > > > But then other sources say this: > > > > During the 18th century, Grenada's economy underwent an important > > > transition. Like much of the rest of the West Indies it was originally > > > settled to cultivate sugar which was grown on estates using slave labor. > > But > > > natural disasters paved the way for the introduction of other crops. In > > > 1782, Sir Joseph Banks, the botanical adviser to King George III, > > introduced > > > nutmeg to Grenada. The island's soil was ideal for growing the spice and > > > because Grenada was a closer source of spices for Europe than the Dutch > > East > > > Indies the island assumed a new importance to European traders. > > > > > > > > The collapse of the sugar estates and the introduction of nutmeg and > > cocoa > > > encouraged the development of smaller land holdings, and the island > > > developed a land-owning yeoman farmer class. > > > > > > > > SOURCES:: > > > > > > > > http://www.traveldocs.com/gd/history.htm. > > > > > > > > > > > > www.wikipedia.org/wiki/History+of+Grenada > > > > > > > > www.worldrover.com/history/grenada_history.html > > > > > > > > globaledge.msu.edu/ibrd/ CountryHistory.asp?CountryID=126&RegionID=4 > > > > > > > > Can we reconcile the two versions of History? Thanks. > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > > > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > >

Thanks Richard,, I also assumed that due to the rapidly changing economy of those particular years. my familys must have had business dealing other than the plantations which were having a hard time surviving..or more reasonable grew products that didnt depend so much on sugar etc It would be interesting to find information on other businesses in Grenada .. When you attend Genealogy Seminars, one of the things they tell you about the times and places of your familys location, is to obtain City and Business Directorys. they are hard to find though.. once I found one though that had only about four pages.. but it goes to show that growing towns were already promoting business efforts when they could. Lenora ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 10:59 PM Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada/ > Hi Leonora, > > Sorry to get back to you only now. I think the answer to your question as to > the spread of the relations may have to do with the fact that the 1840's to > 1850's were years of economic crisis for Caribbean sugar. This means that > many plantations went bankrupt and were sold off very cheaply. Those who > were not in sugar, and in crops that did not require as much labour fared > better in terms of their survival. They may have fared so much better that > they were able to buy up the land of defunct plantations very cheaply in > various parts of the Island.. > > I hope that this helps. > Richard > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lenora Anderson" <ldanderson@sbcglobal.net> > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada/ > > > > Dear Richard.. I didnt mean that they settled in one place and stayed > > there.. but I was surprised when I found how many plantations they were in > > in a comparitively short period of time.. thus also wondering if the > family > > had proerty there evn earlier than I now can track. I wondered if it was > > also inherited > > Thanks again.. Lenora > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 2:47 PM > > Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada/ > > > > > > > Hi Leonora, > > > > > > You should not expect people to settle in one place and stay there > > > generation after generation. On a very large territory that is quite > > > possible, for people to settle in one place and stay within the general > > > area. But such is the nature of economic opportunities and family > > > relationships that people will move. In the case of a small Island like > > > Grenada people will spread out sooner rather than later. > > > > > > The push comes from inheritance practices, mainly from Primogeniture or > > the > > > passing down of property to the first born son or next in line. The > other > > > children had to get their own land if they wanted to own a plantation or > a > > > farm to make a living. There might be land becoming available nearby due > > to > > > sale, but more likely not, and those desiring land would have to go > where > > it > > > was available. > > > > > > By 1843, there would have been a patch-work: of land still in use, land > > for > > > sale; land abandoned by the owners and up for sale by the authorities. > So > > > people went where the land was, and this would go on generation after > > > generation with the spread you have encountered in relation to your own > > > family research. > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > Richard > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lenora Anderson" <ldanderson@sbcglobal.net> > > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:51 PM > > > Subject: Re: Nutmeg History Grenada > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Richard.. I visited all these site Interestingly enough IF > > > > Nutmeg started in 1843.. that is the exact year that the grandparents > > > > started plantations.. One thing that interest me after seeing all > these > > > > maps... is how our grandparents were at one time all over Grenada in > > > > different areas. You assume that they arrive there and mostly live in > > the > > > > general area. I find mine from St. John's to St David's.. mention in > > LDS > > > > paper Carriacou, and Hillsbourough , and Gouyave,on several birth > > > > certificates of children.. Was this common?? Or did I have a larger > > family > > > > than I now know??? Very interesting. Lenora > > > > From: "Richard Allicock" <richwyn@idirect.com> > > > > To: <CARIBBEAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 7:19 PM > > > > Subject: Nutmeg History Grenada > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some-one wrote recently that Nutmeg cultivation was introduced to > > > Grenada > > > > in 1843. The source below certainly supports that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 1843, nutmeg is introduced to Grenada from the Dutch East Indies > > and > > > > soon takes over from sugar as the island's principal export. > > > > > > > > > > SOURCE: > > > > http://www.information.kuoni.co.uk/Common/CountryInfo/Info/GDGND2.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But then other sources say this: > > > > > During the 18th century, Grenada's economy underwent an important > > > > transition. Like much of the rest of the West Indies it was originally > > > > settled to cultivate sugar which was grown on estates using slave > labor. > > > But > > > > natural disasters paved the way for the introduction of other crops. > In > > > > 1782, Sir Joseph Banks, the botanical adviser to King George III, > > > introduced > > > > nutmeg to Grenada. The island's soil was ideal for growing the spice > and > > > > because Grenada was a closer source of spices for Europe than the > Dutch > > > East > > > > Indies the island assumed a new importance to European traders. > > > > > > > > > > The collapse of the sugar estates and the introduction of nutmeg and > > > cocoa > > > > encouraged the development of smaller land holdings, and the island > > > > developed a land-owning yeoman farmer class. > > > > > > > > > > SOURCES:: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.traveldocs.com/gd/history.htm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > www.wikipedia.org/wiki/History+of+Grenada > > > > > > > > > > www.worldrover.com/history/grenada_history.html > > > > > > > > > > globaledge.msu.edu/ibrd/ CountryHistory.asp?CountryID=126&RegionID=4 > > > > > > > > > > Can we reconcile the two versions of History? Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island > bulletin > > > > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin > > > boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > > all messages posted to CARIBBEAN-L are archived at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ > > Before posting a query, see if the question has already been asked > > > > > > > ==== CARIBBEAN Mailing List ==== > For information on individual islands, research aids, island bulletin boards or history please visit the CaribbeanGenWeb project at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~caribgw/