Thanks again everyone for your help. The Right Honorable George Rose is an interesting character isn't he? George was known to sponsor promising naval officers, Horatio Nelson and Arthur Phillip are two of the famous ones. Nelson dined with Rose at Cuffnells before Trafalgar and Phillip named the Sydney Suburbs of Rosehill and Rose Bay after his supporter. I have a genealogy of the Rose Clan of Kilravock, but unfortunately it is far from complete. A lot of the younger sons are listed as merely "having issue". I have wondered if my Robert Reginald Richmond Rose could be slotted in there somewhere. As for George Roses property in Antigua, as he lived in England , wouldn't someone have to manage it? Given the clannish nature of the Roses, could it have been one of his relatives? Please tell me if this theory is rubbish. I feel that I am tilting at windmills with the whole Robert RR mystery, and another pair of eyes would be a great help! I went so far as to get a copy of George Rose's will ( its only money after all) but it didn't do me any good as I find it impossible to read! I would love to sit down with William C Griffith and ask him WHY he thought his grandfather was the son of the Duke of Richmond. I have found nothing at all to support this theory so far. BUT I have to remember that William C was his grandson and would have heard the family story from his mother Ann Rose, Roberts daughter. What always strikes me as odd is that NONE of Roberts grandchildren seem to know where he was born or where he died. I would have thought that Ann, in between telling her children stories of noble descent etc, would have said something like "Dad dropped dead in the front garden" or "Dad fell overboard in the West Indies". The fact that she apparently didn't strikes me as odd. Thanks again for your help Anne > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: RE: ROSE & FFRYE> Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2008 11:15:41 -0500> > > Hello David: You asked:> "Is there any chance you can state with confidence the names of the parents> of Frances ffrye who married the John Duer mentioned in your letter below". > I suppose I can: that info comes from her father's will (extracts) . [See> Oliver's History of Antigua: I can hunt up the exact reference for you if> you want, but Idont have it to hand this minute]. His wife Mary mentioned in> the will is not Frances's mother: her mother appears to have been also named> Frances (surname unknown).> > Will of John Ffrye the Elder Esq. of Antigua. 14 Aug 1747: Wife Mary. Dau> Frances wife of John Duer. Sons Roland, Samuel & William Frye. Dau Henrieta> Maria Byam, grandchildren Lydia, Mary Eliza. George & John Byam. ...> Wits: B. Anderson, John Pearcy, Kean Osborne. > On 6 April 1748 J. Pearcy and K Osborne appear to attest will.> > With regard to the children of George Rose & Theodora Duer, according to my> info they had a third son, Charles Philip ROSE who died in Bordeaux in 1835,> but the official sources do not seem to mention him. William Stewart (who> was apparently a poet and a translator - my own profession. See Wikipedia)> died in 1843.> > Ernest > > -----Original Message-----> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]> On Behalf Of David Daniell> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 4:17 AM> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: Hon George ROSE> > the mystery thickens> (from the Oxford Dictionary of Biography)> ... On 7 July 1769 Rose married Theodora (1744–1834), the daughter of Major> John Duer of Fulham, Middlesex, and Antigua; they had two sons, George Henry> Rose and William Stewart Rose, and a daughter. "> > On 7 Mar 2008, at 19:25, Ernest M. Wiltshire wrote:> I can tell you where to look for the info on the Hon. George ROSE...> His wife Theodora DUER (abt 1743/44 to 6 Nov 1834) was the dau of the Hon.> Maj. John DUER of Antigua and Frances his wife nee FFRYE, > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1316 - Release Date: 3/6/2008> 6:58 PM> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT