Hi Augusta and Listers You got me going on names, surnames derivations of etc so I did a little pokin around and found a page which is ostensibly related to the islands of Jersey and Guernset but contains a very good essay on how surnames evolved, particularly French, Breton, the channel isles etc http://members.societe-jersiaise.org/whitsco/balleinenam.htm Also a Boutellier is actually much more complicated for translation as a modern butler....although parts of their job cross over. Originally the name derives from the craftsmen who made leather bottles And it evolved from there. In France I can tell you straight that a Boutellier is absolutely Not considered a butler but is the master of the wine cellar with considerable skill and prestige associated with that "metier" Of course a good butler in the English sense is truly a gentleman;s gentleman, skilled in the arts of civility, cognizant of all nuance, and was often earlier in time actually the manager of the entire Chateau... It goes on Cod -----Original Message----- From: caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Augusta Elmwood Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:54 PM To: CARIBBEAN Roots Web Subject: [Carib] Butler, Boutellier What serendipity... I believe someone on the list was looking for more about Boutellier, and (Peter?) responded another form of the name was Butler. Quite co-incidentally, someone sent me this link: ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Great Officers of the Crown > http://www.heraldica.org/topics/france/officiers.htm which discusses the chief offices of the King of France, one of which was the Grand Bouteiller-échanson. It doesn't give any names, but shows the insignia of the office. This I forward for what it's worth. If nothing else, it may help us understand the layers and layers of bureaucrats and favorites and functionaries of the old system. I am still intrigued by the fact that, under the Ancien Regime all offices and positions, even those of not-so-great importance, were bought. Enjoy! Augusta *************************** The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/˜atgwgw/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.69/2328 - Release Date: 09/05/09 05:51:00 _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> . We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1108 of my spam emails to date. The Professional version does not have this message. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.69/2328 - Release Date: 09/05/09 05:51:00