Hello everyone, I trust I am using the correct address to make a query. I would like to find out something about a William Williams of Jamaica, who had a daughter Sarah. She, in the latter part of the 1770s, married her widowed cousin, Thomas Williams, who originally built The House of Good Hope, Jamaica. William Williams had Arms, showing three Moors heads.. Is there anyone who can help me, or guide me, especially any with info about descendants of theirs, please? Hopefully, Dilys Xavier. UK

William Williams had Arms, showing three Moors heads.. Very interesting! For info on the Moor's head, check out the Google book Encyclopædia of heraldry: or General armory of England, Scotland, and ... By John Burke, Sir Bernard Burke Search "Moor's head" (singular). It seems there is a lot of discussion of this symbol, and much depends upon its accoutrements--whether a turban, whether necklace and earrings, whether right-facing or silhouette. Cheers, Laura

Hello Listers: I am searching for a repository for documentation from Clarendon Parish, Jamaica - covering the years 1855-1869 at least. My husband's ancestor, Elisha PENROSE was a Methodist minister at Clarendon between those years. He may have married there to Sophia Unknown (who was originally from New Jersey, USA)...they may have had a son Richard Elisha Penrose - how can this be proved? Many thanks to anyone who can point me in the direction needed. No places where I have to hire a researcher please, as I am on a very fixed income and can't afford things like that. Sher Ontario, Canada

Hi Sher, Unfortunately this is going to be quite difficult because the LDS or Mormon church has not filmed Dissenter _Birth_ records for 1855-1869, if they were indeed made. The _Marriage_ records according to the 1754 English Law as well as in Jamaica had to be registered by the Anglican church, which is why there are Dissenter Marriage records in the Spanish Town repository and they have been microfilmed by the LDS. The Dissenter Marriage records are listed in the Film Notes of the Church records of the Salt Lake City Family History center Near the Bottom of this Page link <http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0&titleno=255086&disp=Parish+register+transcripts++> and also on Patricia Jackson's free page of Corrected Film Numbers See near the bottom of this page link. <http://jamaicanfamilysearch.com/Samples/fhclist.htm> Please note what they say about _the indexes_ to the Dissenter Marriage Records, they are incomplete. Patricia gives detailed notes on where Dissenter indexes are given on the films. The headers of the content films themselves indicate quite an overlap of dates, so that you will have to view and search several films to find the dates you are seeking. As you probably know the FHLibrary near you does charge a small fee to order each film for viewing at their Centers. So although it would not reach the level of a researcher in Jamaica it would still involve some cost, besides getting to the library. The abortive attempt (to emulate the UK which started in 1837) at Civil Registration of Births in 1844-1851 is listed on the same page links above under "Parish Registers/Civil Registers" at the last two entries on the bottom of the first page (in the first link) and before Wills (in the second link) . Births Vol 1 &2, 1844-1846 and Births Vol 4, 1847-1851 Patricia also gives a number for a vol 3 , 1845-1849 and a number for Birth Index Vols 1-4... These however do not cover the dates you seek, but would include Dissenter (i.e. Non Anglican/Episcopalian) births as well as Anglican. I note that Elisha Penrose was a United Free Methodist pastor in 1865 this means that he would probably not have baptized his children in the Wesleyan Methodist Baptismal records which Patricia Jackson has transcribed on her site. I do not know if the United Free Methodist church deposited any records at the National Archives in Spanish Town, Jamaica and unfortunately their web site is under construction, so I cannot look at their holdings . However they do have a postal mail address and an email address given below. You might consider writing to them to see if they have any United Free Methodist records of Baptisms. ( In 1865, I see that the United Free Methodist Church was quite small in Jamaica with about 1000 members and 60, 000 in England. So I expect that in1855 it would have been even smaller). *The Jamaica Archives and Records Department is presently upgrading its website. Bear with us as we improve our online presence. In the mean time we still can be contacted at :* *Jamaica Archives* Corner of King and Manchester Streets, Spanish Town, Saint Catherine, Jamaica *Telephone:* (876) 984-5001 *Fax:* (876)984-8254 *email :* jarchives@jard.gov.jm I do not see a United Methodist Church listed in the Infobel Current Yellow pages of Jamaican Churches Infobel Link <http://www.infobel.com/en/world/Teldir.aspx?Ct=North%20America%20and%20Caribbean&Co=Jamaica&Dn=Caribbean%20OnLine%20Yellowpages&url=http://www.caribbeanonlineyellowpages.com/country/country_3.html> so I do not think you will be able to phone or write a present day church to see if they still have records from this time, but you can look for yourself. If Pastor Penrose came from England, then the best source of Methodist Records is the John Rylands University Library in Manchester, England Methodist Records at John Rylands <http://www.library.manchester.ac.uk/specialcollections/collections/methodist/> link. They do not say that they do own United Free Methodist Records, but there is no harm in asking the Assistant Archivist by email who is listed in the link. If Elisha Penrose came from the United States which the fact that he married a native of New Jersey suggests, then you could Google the United Free Methodist Church in the US. You will also find some information on the Methodist Churches on the Wikipedia site. I should also say that Elisha Penrose is listed in Kingston and St Andrew Parishes on Patricia's site so you will have other parishes to search in besides Clarendon. I hope some of this helps. Madeleine On 5/6/2010 1:27 PM, Sher Leetooze wrote: > Hello Listers: > I am searching for a repository for documentation from Clarendon Parish, > Jamaica - covering the years 1855-1869 at least. > My husband's ancestor, Elisha PENROSE was a Methodist minister at Clarendon > between those years. He may have married there to Sophia Unknown (who was > originally from New Jersey, USA)...they may have had a son Richard Elisha > Penrose - how can this be proved? > Many thanks to anyone who can point me in the direction needed. No places > where I have to hire a researcher please, as I am on a very fixed income > and can't afford things like that. > > Sher > Ontario, Canada > > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbudahttp://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toCARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Madeleine E Mitchell, Dunnellon, FL 34432-2795, Home URLhttp://users.pullman.com/mitchelm/jamaica.htm World Gen Web Jamaica URLhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~jamwgw/index.htm

Hi Dilys, I think if you have not done so already, you will want to check Patricia Jackson's site at:JamaicanFamilySearch <http://jamaicanfamilysearch.com> There are many Williams hits on the site. Do you know a parish? It is a subscription site, but worth it at $8.00 for a month or $70 per year Subscribe Page <https://www.keysecure.com/jamaicanfamilysearch.com/Subscribe/subscribe.htm>. ( You can do the search before subscribing, and determine the hits, but to see the content you need to subscribe unless there is a free page.) Madeleine On 5/6/2010 11:01 AM, Dilys Xavier wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I trust I am using the correct address to make a query. > > I would like to find out something about a William Williams of Jamaica, who had a daughter Sarah. She, in the latter part of the 1770s, married her widowed cousin, Thomas Williams, who originally built The House of Good Hope, Jamaica. > > William Williams had Arms, showing three Moors heads.. > > Is there anyone who can help me, or guide me, especially any with info about descendants of theirs, please? > > Hopefully, > Dilys Xavier. UK > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- Madeleine E Mitchell, Dunnellon, FL 34432-2795, Home URL http://users.pullman.com/mitchelm/jamaica.htm World Gen Web Jamaica URL http://www.rootsweb.com/~jamwgw/index.htm