Hi Listers, (specially in the Carolinas) Is anyone able to confirm there is a connection between these two people? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Lucas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Lucas Her biography reads as if they could be brother and sister. I'd be very grateful if anyone can clarify the Lucas families of Antigua and St Kitts and Colchester Essex England around 1650-1750. David Daniell

"History of Antigua" by VL Oliver does not show Eliza and Thomas as siblings . If you do not have access to "H of A" I will be happy to copy and send you copies of the relevant pages . Regards , Phillip ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Daniell" <ddaniell@xtra.co.nz> To: "Caribbean Rootsweb" <CARIBBEAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 2:10 AM Subject: [Carib] LUCAS family of Antigua and PINCKNEY family of SouthCarolina > Hi Listers, > > (specially in the Carolinas) > > Is anyone able to confirm there is a connection between these two people? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Lucas > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Lucas > > Her biography reads as if they could be brother and sister. > > I'd be very grateful if anyone can clarify the Lucas families of Antigua > and St Kitts and Colchester Essex England around 1650-1750. > > David Daniell > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and > Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Phillip. H of A is now viewable on the Internet Archive - for instance <http://www.archive.org/details/historyofislando02oliv> and I had already been through its indexes finding mentions but nothing to resolve my little issue / parentless issue. If you know it is definitely explained there I would be very grateful for the Vol and page number. I apologise for my slow response. with kind regards, David On 29/06/2010, at 11:42 PM, Phillip Abbott - Abbott Farms wrote: > "History of Antigua" by VL Oliver does not show Eliza and Thomas as > siblings . > > If you do not have access to "H of A" I will be happy to copy and send you > copies of the relevant pages . > > Regards , > > Phillip

David, There is a good bit on Google Books about Sir John Lucas and Colchester in the mid-seventeenth century, though I am willing to bet you have all that already. Of some interest to the list in general might be the 1819 tome, The History, Civil and Commercial, of the British West Indies. There are some pages in French regarding a Jacques Lucas. Of interest also might be the letterbook of Eliza Pinckney, in limited preview on Google Books and a for purchase. It is copyright The South Carolina Historical Society, and I would check there for more on Eliza's ancestry. Sometimes the local history societies do it best. The introduction to the letterbook was written by Elise Pinckney, who received her masters from Carolina, and if you are interested, I will look up her current contact info for you in the alumni listings. Cheers, Laura On Jun 29, 2010, at 2:10 AM, David Daniell wrote: Hi Listers, (specially in the Carolinas) Is anyone able to confirm there is a connection between these two people? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliza_Lucas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Lucas Her biography reads as if they could be brother and sister. I'd be very grateful if anyone can clarify the Lucas families of Antigua and St Kitts and Colchester Essex England around 1650-1750. David Daniell *************************** The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Laura, Thank you. Those are kind offers. You too may have noticed the Colchester Lucas family sometimes had trouble getting married before the children arrived. This Thomas Lucas might be a child of Robert Lucas, governor of The Tower of London who died in January 1705 aged about 56 and unmarried . . . and then again maybe not. What I have found though is that his origins were considered a mystery to some soon after he died and so I am going to have to get a copy of whatever this A2A reference is for: —————————————————————————————— Letter reporting findings resulting from his enquiries into the origins of the Lucas family. A62/6/271 1 Feb. 1797 These documents are held at Lewisham Local Studies and Archives Contents: J. Waldron of Trowbridge to Joseph Paice —————————————————————————————— Joseph Paice was residuary legatee of the estate of Elizabeth Payne, the last wife of the Thomas Lucas in question who died in what is now part of Lewisham. I must get into gear and see what I can learn. I'll do that first and then if its no good will come back to you. Yes I have been tantalised by the cover of that Letter Book wondering if it might tell me anything. Many thanks - I shall report David Because it is fun, here is a bit about that particular Joseph Paice, 'best mate' of banker Baring who bought Lucas's house <http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/34778/> On 30/06/2010, at 3:10 AM, LALDERSON@nc.rr.com wrote: > David, > There is a good bit on Google Books about Sir John Lucas and > Colchester in the mid-seventeenth century, though I am willing to bet > you have all that already. > > Of some interest to the list in general might be the 1819 tome, The > History, Civil and Commercial, of the British West Indies. There are > some pages in French regarding a Jacques Lucas. > > Of interest also might be the letterbook of Eliza Pinckney, in limited > preview on Google Books and a for purchase. It is copyright The South > Carolina Historical Society, and I would check there for more on > Eliza's ancestry. Sometimes the local history societies do it best. > The introduction to the letterbook was written by Elise Pinckney, who > received her masters from Carolina, and if you are interested, I will > look up her current contact info for you in the alumni listings. > > Cheers, > Laura