Hi Listers The "Crook-Boy" designation has me going! So I am Googling and in B.W.Higman's "Slave Populations of the British Caribbean 1807-1834" He provides data on job designations amongst slaves in Trinidad See this link: http://books.google.com/books?id=pGv5dC2hDV8C&pg=PA568&lpg=PA568&dq=%22crook +boy%22+caribbean&source=bl&ots=6FZHsMMzSR&sig=_RbQUS5quEwrBzSnEeDIEJHaXyE&h l=en&ei=QxG9S93YDIGB8gbkkeWqCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0C AsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false (page 568) where we find our "crook boy" crook corp and crook mules..... which suggests that so far we haven't got the Crook thing right! As you will see there are herders and all sorts of job designations which seem to exclude interpretation of "Crook-Boy" as a young boy running around with a Shepherd's Crook..... and so it goes... I will endeavour to persevere here and find an answer! Stay tuned Cod
G'Day Dante, Maybe means sheep herders (shepherd) as they would use a crook as a tool in that work, maybe not as I have no knowledge of the way plantations are organised, Cheers, John in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: <caribbean-request@rootsweb.com> To: <caribbean@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 37 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Slavery- Crook boys and girls (Dante Beretta) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 23:39:48 -0500 > From: Dante Beretta <dberetta@meltel.net> > Subject: [Carib] Slavery- Crook boys and girls > To: caribbean@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <3B6F8EE2-FD8B-45A9-B6B8-132681706BA8@meltel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm reviewing an 1837 inventory for a plantation on the island of St. > Croix, Danish West Indies (now U.S. Virgin Islands). The slaves are > categorized as to their different jobs. Most of the boys and girls > between age 7 and 11 are on the 'Grass Gang' which I understand to be > supplying grass/forage to the livestock. Between age 12 and 17, most of > the boys and girls are listed as 'Crook Boy' or 'Crook Girl'. I can't > find this term anywhere, but I assume it was outside work preparing one > for field work which was the work of the majority of the adult slaves. > Does anyone have a clearer idea of what the term 'Crook Boy' entailed when > it came to life on the estates? > > Dante > > > End of CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 37 > **************************************** >
Always lovely to hear from you Laura. I believe the Charles Pedder in the NY Census is Charles Leacock Pedder, son of Charles Lloyd Pedder & his wife Mary Elizabeth Leacock. The Mr. Pedder at Mt. Prospect House might be his brother, John Leacock Kortwright Pedder as I know he died in Barbados in 1933 and he owned Babb's Plantation & possibly Burnt House Plantation as well. Those are interesting leads, so they will be on my research list for a long overdue visit to Bdos & to the Museum! Thanks a million Laura Ernest -----Original Message----- From: caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lwa101@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:48 PM To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Carib] PEDDER family - British Virgin Islands Hi, Ernest, It's always good to see you on the list. Some time ago, Heather sent me her Excel spreadsheet of Anguilla baptisms 1870-1913 with a Pedder; might be some connection. Heather, are you there? Also, I have so much fun with Familysearch.org's pilot web site (http://pilot.familysearch.org), because the filters are so easy to use. There is a Charles Pedder in the NY census (Brooklyn) 1892 born 1860 Barbados, listed as an alien. ... There is some sort of "Pedder collection" at the Barbados Museum. In 1876, there was a "disturbance" at Mount Prospect involved Mr. Pedder, who lived in Mt Prospect House. ...
Hi, Ernest, It's always good to see you on the list. Some time ago, Heather sent me her Excel spreadsheet of Anguilla baptisms 1870-1913 with a Pedder; might be some connection. Heather, are you there? Also, I have so much fun with Familysearch.org's pilot web site (http://pilot.familysearch.org ), because the filters are so easy to use. There is a Charles Pedder in the NY census (Brooklyn) 1892 born 1860 Barbados, listed as an alien. Interestingly, I also found this through my primitive Googling: "Matthew Pedder settled in Barbados with his wife and son in 1678; John Pedder settled in Maryland in 1729; Charles Pedder settled in Virginia in 1765; William Pedder settled in Virginia in 1774." No sources are given; this is from a site that sells coats of arms. There is some sort of "Pedder collection" at the Barbados Museum. In 1876, there was a "disturbance" at Mount Prospect involved Mr. Pedder, who lived in Mt Prospect House. This is probably not your man, but there is a Pedder in a book which I cannot view, entitled "The complete book of emigrants in bondage, 1614-1775 by Peter Wilson Coldham" and a Charles Pedder dated 1765 in "Bonded passengers to America" and in "English Convicts in colonial America" by the same gent. Cheers, Laura On Apr 7, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Ernest M. Wiltshire wrote: Hello everyone. Does anyone on the list know anything about a PEDDER family, in particular a Charles Lloyd PEDDER, who marries a Barbadian, Mary Elizabeth LEACOCK circa 1850?
Hello everyone. Does anyone on the list know anything about a PEDDER family, in particular a Charles Lloyd PEDDER, who marries a Barbadian, Mary Elizabeth LEACOCK circa 1850? I have found one reference to him in the Gentlemens Magazine in 1855: 1855 Vol. 199. p. 86 Promotions & Preferments &c. May 30. ... "Henry Augustus Tudor, John James Haddock, and Charles Lloyd Pedder esqrs. to be non-elective Members of the Legislative Council of the Virgin Islands." He appeared to be in St. Thomas, V.I. His parents may have been a John Thomas & Mary Grace PEDDER who also seem to have connections to Nevis. My info is very sketchy, and I would like to know more about him & if and how he is related to a Henry Charles PEDDER, who marries in Barbados in 1866, before fetching up in Brooklyn, and working in New York as a Bookkeeper. He moved to Orange, New Jersey, where he built an enormous architect designed mansion in 1881 ... by embezzling something in the order of $250,000 to $500,000 dollars from his employers! The fraud came to light in 1884: he did not go to prison, but handed over all the property to the firm he had defrauded, and according to one source, went "to the Barbados islands", but I can find no further trace of him. It was a huge scandal in New York at that time. That mansion, "Glenmount", also referred to as the Pedder House, was then bought by, and became the family home of Thomas Alva Edison! I would be grateful for any further information on any of these or other Pedders in the West Indies. My thanks Ernest Wiltshire
Very interesting question, Dante. From a book online entitled Dictionary of Caribbean English Usage: crook n (StVn) Box-crook (Dmca) catacou 2. (Angu) crock (Dmca)( donkey-box (Antg) a double carrier consisting of two side-baskets, or made of light, curved, iron bars or wood (box-crook) slung across the back of a donkey, for transporting ground-provisions, etc. ) . . earliest cit 1657 f. Ligon Barbadoes. This reminds me of those bucolic etchings depicting a worker walking alongside a thus-loaded pack animal. Cheers, Laura On Apr 7, 2010, at 3:00 AM, caribbean-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Message: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 23:39:48 -0500 From: Dante Beretta <dberetta@meltel.net> Subject: [Carib] Slavery- Crook boys and girls I'm reviewing an 1837 inventory for a plantation on the island of St. Croix, Danish West Indies (now U.S. Virgin Islands). The slaves are categorized as to their different jobs. Most of the boys and girls between age 7 and 11 are on the 'Grass Gang' which I understand to be supplying grass/forage to the livestock. Between age 12 and 17, most of the boys and girls are listed as 'Crook Boy' or 'Crook Girl'. I can't find this term anywhere, but I assume it was outside work preparing one for field work which was the work of the majority of the adult slaves. Does anyone have a clearer idea of what the term 'Crook Boy' entailed when it came to life on the estates? Dante End of CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 37 ****************************************
If there's livestock involved it probably means herding work, the crook being the old name for the tool shepherds use. As far as I know using slave labor for herding is unusual and although I've been to St.Croix I never heard of it happening there, but still that seems like the most likely explanation. I do know it was (and still is, some places) common to use children for herding. -----Original Message----- From: Dante Beretta <dberetta@meltel.net> To: caribbean@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Apr 6, 2010 11:39 pm Subject: [Carib] Slavery- Crook boys and girls I'm reviewing an 1837 inventory for a plantation on the island of St. Croix, anish West Indies (now U.S. Virgin Islands). The slaves are categorized as to heir different jobs. Most of the boys and girls between age 7 and 11 are on he 'Grass Gang' which I understand to be supplying grass/forage to the ivestock. Between age 12 and 17, most of the boys and girls are listed as Crook Boy' or 'Crook Girl'. I can't find this term anywhere, but I assume it as outside work preparing one for field work which was the work of the majority f the adult slaves. Does anyone have a clearer idea of what the term 'Crook oy' entailed when it came to life on the estates? Dante *************************** he Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda ttp://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message
I'm reviewing an 1837 inventory for a plantation on the island of St. Croix, Danish West Indies (now U.S. Virgin Islands). The slaves are categorized as to their different jobs. Most of the boys and girls between age 7 and 11 are on the 'Grass Gang' which I understand to be supplying grass/forage to the livestock. Between age 12 and 17, most of the boys and girls are listed as 'Crook Boy' or 'Crook Girl'. I can't find this term anywhere, but I assume it was outside work preparing one for field work which was the work of the majority of the adult slaves. Does anyone have a clearer idea of what the term 'Crook Boy' entailed when it came to life on the estates? Dante
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/world/americas/01document.html They were discussing this on WBGO.org streaming last night. Cuzin' Choli -----Original Message----- From: caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:caribbean-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of AUGUSTA ELMWOOD Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 2:11 PM To: Caribbean R-W List Subject: Re: [Carib] NYTimes.com: Haiti's Founding Document Found in London Greetings, Listers. I got this from a friend. Great news for Haiti! Augusta Elmwood --- Subject: NYTimes.com: Haiti's Founding Document Found in London Date: Thursday, April 1, 2010, 10:51 PM #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 ecxfooter {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10px;color:#000000;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 td.ecxfooter {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10px;color:#000000;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 a.ecxfooter {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10px;color:#000066;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 font.ecxemailHeader {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:13px;color:#CC6633;font-weight:bold;padding-bottom:4px;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 ecxbgc1 {background-color:#F5F4F4;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 td.ecxbgc1 {background-color:#F5F4F4;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 ecxbgc2 {background-color:#F8F8F8;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 td.ecxbgc2 {background-color:#F8F8F8;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 ecxcopy {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 td.ecxbodycopy {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 a.ecxbodycopy {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;color:#000066;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 small {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:11px;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 td.ecxsmall {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:11px;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 a.ecxsmall {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:11px;color:#000066;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 ecxadvertisement {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9px;color:#999999;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 td.ecxadvertisement {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9px;color:#999999;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 a.ecxadvertisement {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9px;color:#000066;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 ecxcontextadbg {border-top:1px solid #BFBFBF;border-bottom:1px solid #BFBFBF;margin-bottom:3px;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 ecxcontextadheader {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color:#98BC61;font-size:11px;font-weight:bold;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 ecxcontextaddisclaimer {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color:#999999;font-size:10px;padding-bottom:8px;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 ecxcontextadtext {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color:#000000;font-size:11px;padding-top:8px;padding-bottom:8px;padding-left:11px;padding-right:11px;margin-bottom:3px;} #yiv196219492 .ExternalClass #ecxyiv113288316 ecxcontextAdMiscText {font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color:#000000;font-size:11px;padding-left:11px;padding-right:11px;} WORLD | April 01, 2010 Haiti's Founding Document Found in London By DAMIEN CAVE A graduate student has unearthed the first known, government-issued version of Haiti's Declaration of Independence, giving new insights into the period. Advertisement Crazy Heart - Winner of 2 Academy Awards, including Best Actor - Jeff Bridges. Now Playing. Click here to view trailer Copyright 2010 The New York Times Company | Privacy Policy *************************** The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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Laura What has happened there comes down to a default change resulting from adjustments they have made when adding headers and other goodies to all the RootsWeb sites to facilitate their advertisements etc. My link no longer connects directly. The correct link for the Leewards is http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.caribbean.leeward/mb.ashx then you pick the island of interest. I'll fix that link one of these days Cod
Hi Laura Thanks for letting me know about that....Ancestry has been messin around with the boards since taking over so I have gotten lackadaisical about the link. Let me see what I can see and thanks for your postings over the last couple years ChrisCod
Listers, Glad you're there! I was just checking for some info and found that when I go to the Historic Antigua and Barbuda site at http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~atgwgw/ and click "Query Boards," I reach http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~atgwgw/query/queries.html . Then, when I click Query Boards for the Islands: Antigua, I reach a pre-populated page: http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gskw=LeewardIslands+Antigua&ti=0&ti.si=0&rank=0&hc=25&gss=mb&db=mb&application=public&filter=0&utype=Admin . The error message says "Your search for Leewardislands Antigua returned zero good matches." It turns out you have to then go into "Edit Search" and put a space between Leeward and Islands in order for it to work--and then it returns 27K+ results. Hmm. . . What's Ancestry's thinking on this? Are they lumping all the Leewards together on the message boards, or is Antigua separate but you can't reach the separate board from the Historic Antigua site? I'm confused. Cheers, Laura in a windy NC
Hi, List, Just received a post from the GHC Liste. One of the listers wrote to the Archives d'Outre-Mer & asked about a gap in one of the online S-D registers. The reply came back that some registers that were in bad condition would not be put online until later (probably out being repaired). Just keep checking back. Meanwhile, what IS online is just WONDERFUL, isn't it ? !! Augusta Elmwood New Orleans, LA
Cheryl, if you have Haitian (as opposed to Saint-Domingue) roots, you might try the website of the Assoc. de Généalogie d'Haiti. I believe it's www.agh.qc.ca Good luck! Augusta --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Nneka X <cheryl_nneka@hotmail.com> wrote: > From: Nneka X <cheryl_nneka@hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Carib] CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31 > To: "Caribbean Rootsweb" <caribbean@rootsweb.com> > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 4:11 PM > > this certainly is exciting...my children are half > haitian...surname is jeannis...there is a place in haiti > called plaine jeannis, too. i have to dust of my french and > get down to work... > cheryl hazell > > > From: caribbean-request@rootsweb.com > > Subject: CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31 > > To: caribbean@rootsweb.com > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:00:05 -0600 > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: EXCITING NEWS about the > Saint-Domingue Etat Civil (Heather) > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:49:47 -0400 > > From: "Heather" <fritzie@canada.invalid> > > Subject: Re: [Carib] EXCITING NEWS about the > Saint-Domingue Etat Civil > > To: caribbean@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <ho5m9q$am5$1@news.eternal-september.org> > > > > Merci, madame........I knew my high school french > would come in handy one > > day, besides travelling in Quebec, lol. > Unfortunately, I only have one name > > which was from Haiti and not much information about > him. > > Touzalin.........who came to Jamaica in 1795 or so but > that could be a > > misspelling of Toussalin, Toussaint......they landed > in a British part of > > the Island. > > > > Cheers from Canada........Heather > > > > "Augusta Elmwood" <augustae@bellsouth.net> > wrote in message > > news:mailman.832.1269147213.2664.caribbean@rootsweb.com... > > > > ... it is FINALLY online. According to messages > I've received, only certain > > registers are online. I suppose more will be > made available as they are > > digitized and prepared. > > > > Here's the link: > > > > http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/recherche.php?territoire=SAINT-DOMINGUE > > > > Click the down arrow in the COMMUNE window and a list > of towns will appear. > > Make your choice. > > > > Then click the down arrow in the TYPE d'ACTE window... > you will have a > > choice of acts, or you can choose the TABLES > (Indexes), either annual ones > > or 10-year ones, sorted by type of act. There > are some other choices, like > > AFFRANCHISEMENTS, JUDGEMENTS, DIVORCES, etc. > available, but they may not all > > apply for all communes/towns. > > > > You can also enter a year in the ANNEE window, or a > time span (in the OU > > ENTRE ---- ET ---- windows). If you want to > browse the registers from the > > beginning, just leave everything blank after the > COMMUNE. > > > > I just got the news and have not had a chance to play > around with the system > > very much, but it seems to be user friendly. > Merci Mille Fois to the > > Archives d'Outre-mer ! > > > > Ladies & Gentlemen, get out your dictionaries and > start your engines ! The > > long-awaited day has arrived !! > > > > Bonnes et fructueuses recherches ! > > > > Augusta > > Sleepless in New Orleans :-) > > > > > > > > > > End of CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31 > > **************************************** > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Stay in touch. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959 > *************************** > The Caribbean List now has a Resources Page at Historic > Antigua and Barbuda http://www.rootsweb.com/~atgwgw/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CARIBBEAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >
Hi all, From another list I found this online list which includes islands of the Caribbean:Surman index online <http://surman.english.qmul.ac.uk/index.html> which might help some members who have Congregational Ministers in the ancestry. You can search on last name, county/country, and academy. Mostly where they got their education and where posted. Madeleine -- Madeleine E Mitchell, Dunnellon, FL 34432-2795, Home URL http://users.pullman.com/mitchelm/jamaica.htm World Gen Web Jamaica URL http://www.rootsweb.com/~jamwgw/index.htm
this certainly is exciting...my children are half haitian...surname is jeannis...there is a place in haiti called plaine jeannis, too. i have to dust of my french and get down to work... cheryl hazell > From: caribbean-request@rootsweb.com > Subject: CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31 > To: caribbean@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:00:05 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: EXCITING NEWS about the Saint-Domingue Etat Civil (Heather) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:49:47 -0400 > From: "Heather" <fritzie@canada.invalid> > Subject: Re: [Carib] EXCITING NEWS about the Saint-Domingue Etat Civil > To: caribbean@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <ho5m9q$am5$1@news.eternal-september.org> > > Merci, madame........I knew my high school french would come in handy one > day, besides travelling in Quebec, lol. Unfortunately, I only have one name > which was from Haiti and not much information about him. > Touzalin.........who came to Jamaica in 1795 or so but that could be a > misspelling of Toussalin, Toussaint......they landed in a British part of > the Island. > > Cheers from Canada........Heather > > "Augusta Elmwood" <augustae@bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:mailman.832.1269147213.2664.caribbean@rootsweb.com... > > ... it is FINALLY online. According to messages I've received, only certain > registers are online. I suppose more will be made available as they are > digitized and prepared. > > Here's the link: > > http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/recherche.php?territoire=SAINT-DOMINGUE > > Click the down arrow in the COMMUNE window and a list of towns will appear. > Make your choice. > > Then click the down arrow in the TYPE d'ACTE window... you will have a > choice of acts, or you can choose the TABLES (Indexes), either annual ones > or 10-year ones, sorted by type of act. There are some other choices, like > AFFRANCHISEMENTS, JUDGEMENTS, DIVORCES, etc. available, but they may not all > apply for all communes/towns. > > You can also enter a year in the ANNEE window, or a time span (in the OU > ENTRE ---- ET ---- windows). If you want to browse the registers from the > beginning, just leave everything blank after the COMMUNE. > > I just got the news and have not had a chance to play around with the system > very much, but it seems to be user friendly. Merci Mille Fois to the > Archives d'Outre-mer ! > > Ladies & Gentlemen, get out your dictionaries and start your engines ! The > long-awaited day has arrived !! > > Bonnes et fructueuses recherches ! > > Augusta > Sleepless in New Orleans :-) > > > > > End of CARIBBEAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 31 > **************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9712959
Merci, madame........I knew my high school french would come in handy one day, besides travelling in Quebec, lol. Unfortunately, I only have one name which was from Haiti and not much information about him. Touzalin.........who came to Jamaica in 1795 or so but that could be a misspelling of Toussalin, Toussaint......they landed in a British part of the Island. Cheers from Canada........Heather "Augusta Elmwood" <augustae@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:mailman.832.1269147213.2664.caribbean@rootsweb.com... ... it is FINALLY online. According to messages I've received, only certain registers are online. I suppose more will be made available as they are digitized and prepared. Here's the link: http://anom.archivesnationales.culture.gouv.fr/caomec2/recherche.php?territoire=SAINT-DOMINGUE Click the down arrow in the COMMUNE window and a list of towns will appear. Make your choice. Then click the down arrow in the TYPE d'ACTE window... you will have a choice of acts, or you can choose the TABLES (Indexes), either annual ones or 10-year ones, sorted by type of act. There are some other choices, like AFFRANCHISEMENTS, JUDGEMENTS, DIVORCES, etc. available, but they may not all apply for all communes/towns. You can also enter a year in the ANNEE window, or a time span (in the OU ENTRE ---- ET ---- windows). If you want to browse the registers from the beginning, just leave everything blank after the COMMUNE. I just got the news and have not had a chance to play around with the system very much, but it seems to be user friendly. Merci Mille Fois to the Archives d'Outre-mer ! Ladies & Gentlemen, get out your dictionaries and start your engines ! The long-awaited day has arrived !! Bonnes et fructueuses recherches ! Augusta Sleepless in New Orleans :-)